以下是三尺的主要观点：
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作者 theologe (表达你我的信仰~) 看板 Christianity
标题 Re: [心得] XE要进‘毁坏’的门？还是‘灭亡’的门？
时间 Thu Nov 9 18:10:48 2017
3.老鱼自引文：
"The idea of apoleia is not that of annihilation but that which is ruined and
is no longer usable for its intended purpose. Apoleia does not describe the
complete loss of being, but the complete loss of well-being.
[...]
The related root word apollumi is the term Jesus used to speak of those who
are thrown into hell
[...]
As Jesus makes clear elsewhere, hell is not a place or state of nothingness
or unconscious existence, as is the Hindu Nirvana. It is the place of
everlasting torment, the place of eternal death, where there will be “
weeping and gnashing of teeth” forever (see Mt 13:42, 50)."
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三尺宣称：‘这一段引文除了再次重申二字字源亲近外。。。’
首先，很可惜，三尺‘刻意没看见’这整段英文的材料的第一段话：
Destruction (684) (apoleia from apo = marker of separation, away from +
olethros = ruin, death but not annihilation) describes destruction, in this
case the utter ruin or complete loss which is epitomized by eternal
punishment.
换句话说，这整段话在谈到是，三尺自己列出来的：
apoleia（G684；太7：13）："not describe the complete loss of being,
but the complete loss of well-being."
这段英文的意思是：不是描写存有的完全丧失，而是其完美状态的完全丧失。
而三尺引用我所引用的这段话：
As Jesus makes clear elsewhere, hell is not a place or state of nothingness
or unconscious existence, as is the Hindu Nirvana. It is the place of
everlasting torment, the place of eternal death, where there will be “
weeping and gnashing of teeth” forever (see Mt 13:42, 50)."
完整的中译是：
就如同耶稣在它处明确指出的，hell（低于）不是一个地方或某种不存在的状态或无意
识的存在，如果印度教的Nirvana。（注：台湾的民间宗教对于hell/地狱的观念基本上
承袭自佛教/印度教系统。）它乃是一种用于惩罚的地方，永远死亡的地方，在那里永远
的‘哀哭切齿’。（马太13：42，50.
这里，我们可以看见地方召会：1）根据这里的‘哀哭切齿’解释千年国补考班；2）这个
地方并不意味着‘存有的灭亡’。
而不是三尺自己列出来的另一个字：
apollumi（G622；约3：16）："is the term Jesus used to speak of those who
are thrown into hell...hell is not a place or state of nothingness
or unconscious existence"
这段英文的意思是：耶稣使用这个词论点那些被丢入地狱的人。。。地狱不是一个地方，
或不存在或无意识存在的状态。
（提醒三尺：学术最重要的是‘出处’。你‘不列’出处，是什么意思？）
三尺光看这段话就打了鸡血，又兴奋的跳起来了！真可爱！
我们再来看看‘专家证词’！
http://www.preceptaustin.org/romans_29-16#perish apollumi
有几段资料！
Perish (622) (apollumi from apo = away from or wholly + olethros = state of
utter ruin <> ollumi = to destroy <> root of apollyon [Re 9:11] = destroyer)
means to destroy utterly but not to caused to cease to exist.
Apollumi as it relates to men, is not the loss of being per se, but is more
the loss of well-being. It means to ruin so that the person (or thing) ruined
can no longer serve the use for which he (it) was designed. To render
useless.
The gospel promises everlasting life for the one who believes. The failure to
possess this life will result in utter ruin and eternal uselessness (but not
a cessation of existence).
首先，第二段话的解释却是跟差不多。但是请注意，第一段，不论是1）原文编码，2）
字根，3）和希腊文原意都指出Perish (622) (apollumi，因为与。。分开而完全毁坏以
至于灭亡的状态）和Destruction (684) (apoleia，因为与。。。分开而毁坏）。能把这
两个词‘扯’成一个？不能不令人赞叹三尺的功力！
（当然，也要赞叹三尺为了攻击地方召会，不惜和TF同流合污，一起‘扯’的心态！）
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再看一份资料：
John MacArthur writes that "Apollumi (destroy) refers to utter devastation.
But as the noted Greek scholar W. E. Vine explains, “The idea is not
extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being” (An Expository
Dictionary of New Testament Words [Westwood, N.J.: Revel, 1940]). The term
is often used in the New Testament to indicate eternal damnation (see, e.g.,
Mt 10:28; Lk 13:3; Jn 3:16; Ro. 2:12), which applies to unbelievers. But even
with that meaning the word does not connote extinction, as annihilationists
claim, but rather spiritual calamity that will continue forever. (MacArthur,
J: Romans 9-16. Chicago: Moody Press)
MacArthur 说的很清楚，虽然Vine认为这个字跟Destruction (684) (apoleia，因为与
。。。分开而毁坏）同意思。但是，这个字本身的意思是最终极的悲伤/毁坏（utter
devastation）。在新约中，往往被当作永远的天谴（eternal damnation），往往
被用于‘非信徒（unbeliever）’.这个意思并不是像灵魂覆灭说（annihilationists ）
所谓灭绝/消灭（extinction），而是一种持续到永远的痛苦。
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如果三尺认为这两个字一样，那么，三尺事实上就否定了TF所认为的，‘失去的救恩
具有能被重新得回的可能性。’换句话说，TF被三尺卖了，还在兴奋的帮三尺数钞票
呢！。。。。。。真有意思！
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再看一份资料：
Salvation Word Studies has the following entry on apollumi…
Jesus stated the purpose of His coming to this world in Luke 19:10: "For the S
on of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." The question for
this inquiry is, What does it mean to be "lost"? The Greek word used to
describe
this condition is apollumi (sometimes apolluo), which is a stronger form of
ollumi, and means to utterly destroy.
救恩字义研究（Salvation Word Studies）说，基督在路径19：10论到祂来临的目的：
（经文省略）问题是，‘失去（lost）’是什么意思？被用来描述这个条件的希腊字是
Apollumi（有时候是apolluo），比ollumi强烈，意思是最终的毁灭。
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整体而言，我们可以结论到：
1- apollumi（G622；约3：16）是一个要比apollumi（G622；约3：16）更为强烈的字
2- apollumi（G622；约3：16）往往被赋予‘最终’，‘极致’，‘永恒’的意义，
apollumi（G622；约3：16）没有
3- apollumi（G622；约3：16）往往被认为跟‘存有’有关，apollumi（G622；
约3：16）则是跟‘用处’有关
4- apollumi（G622；约3：16）往往被被用在‘外邦人’身上
这些特征，可以从这两节的背景得到证明：约3：16，不接受神儿子的，就是外邦人，
没有得救；而马太7明显的，耶稣是对门徒的‘内部训词’。
如果如同三尺一样，把两者等同之，岂不是把太7中进‘宽门’的‘信徒’当作‘没得
救的外邦人’而模糊了‘圣’和‘俗’的分野。而，‘不分圣俗’本来就是‘三尺神学’
的张力，因此，三尺在这里强凹硬掰的一定要把‘失败的信徒’当作‘没得救的外邦人
’往永刑的焚化炉送，而断送了他们得救的机会，不过体现了：
1）三尺‘浸行为会’的三位一体救赎论，与
2）三尺‘圣俗不分’
的神学张力罢了！
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嗯，估计被打到外太空去了！
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补充：
刚看了Tf的回文。搞不清楚是他抄袭三尺呢？还是三尺抄袭他？
怎么逻辑，论述，引用的东西几乎一模一样。不过就是三尺的
可以算是‘加强版’。
如果是这个情况，就把这贴当作对TF的回复可也！
阿门！
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