[闲聊] 战史学者谈GoT S6E9 私生子之战(雷)

楼主: jimmy5680 (不太会飞的企鹅)   2016-06-28 01:25:06
内文有GOT雷,不想被雷者请左转。
本来权力游戏的文章应该要发去EAseries板的,但是前几天看到一篇有De Re Militari
组织的成员受访的文章,来分享一下。
The 'Battle of the Bastards' Proved One Bastard Wasn't as Clever as He Thought
https://goo.gl/8Vc57P
文中有提到受访的是马里兰罗耀拉大学的学者Kelly DeVries,他专门研究中世纪战史
(ex.百年战争),而且常参与媒体的历史性节目,他在这篇文章中提到的几个要点:
一,波顿军不应该出城
“Ramsay Bolton would have been better to stay behind the walls of his
fortification,”
“There would never have been a concerted siege effort like we saw with the
siege of the Blackfish and so forth.”
Ramsay Bolton待在城内会是个比较好的选择,对方不可能有办法执行类似黑鱼之围的有
效的围城。
二,波顿军竟然射自己人
"We absolutely have no single example of someone shooting into their own
troops" in that time period, DeVries says. "It just would not have happened.
Everyone valued the life of a soldier too much ... [This tactic] is far more
evil than anybody we could encounter in the Middle Ages."
DeVries表示中世纪战史从来没有一个案例是下令射击己方的部队,因为所有人都非常宝
贝士兵的性命,这种战术比任何已知的行动都更邪恶。
三,波顿军竟然没有侦查到河湾军
"Most commanders would have posted scouts and had some awareness, some
intelligence that a large force are advancing on them," said DeVries. "That
doesn't happen as often, the absolute surprise of large forces doesn't
happen."
大多数指挥官都会部署斥候并保持一点警戒心,以利得知有大部队正在朝自己前进。大部
队完全突然的出现并不太会出现。
"Ramsay was terrible at it," he continued. "We don't have a lot of
indications of his military capabilities before ... whereas Jon Snow led
troops many times before in battle."
"Ramsay, once on the battlefield, he's like many generals throughout time,
who are so cocky about their abilities and their forces' abilities and their
numbers that they cause some terrible defeats on the battlefield," DeVries
added, comparing the Bolton force's destruction to the French defeat at
Agincourt in 1415 and the Turkish victory over European crusaders at
Nicopolis in 1396. "They play into the opposing generals' game and pull
defeat out of the jaws of victory."
DeVries把Ramsay Bolton比喻成1415年在阿金谷的法军或1396年在尼柯波利斯的十字军,
坐拥优势却自毁前程。
Kelly DeVries其实还蛮喜欢写冰与火之歌的东西的,另一篇:
Game of Thrones as History: It's Not as Realistic As It Seems
作者: dabih (白鲸一只~)   2016-06-28 04:56:00
这一战的运镜很棒,但战术面就有点糟糕了。不过,剧中有说明Bolton军必须出城迎战的政治面因素。当然这个政治面因素在现实中成不成立又是一个课题了。
作者: saltlake (SaltLake)   2016-06-28 05:34:00
波顿军用骑兵冲击敌步兵阵 居然不是骑兵穿插而是停下和步兵混战 另外 自己骑兵与敌步兵混战还让己方放箭混杀己方贵重的骑兵....最后 波顿私生子竟然相信猎犬对自己的忠诚 -_-猎犬为何好用都没想过? 那可是经常在打猎贵族间借用的不懂军队也不懂狗 -_-
作者: windycat (wCat)   2016-06-28 06:26:00
波顿玩弄对手的目的大于一切吧不过没有预想跟珊傻还算有点关系的谷地会来助阵这点也是不过话说回来 从角色设定上来看 这样的表现也是刚好而已
作者: buffon (简 单)   2016-06-28 08:13:00
波顿军骑兵是和对方骑兵冲击 冲下马后又混入野人步兵
作者: Inkthink (墨想)   2016-06-28 10:28:00
这场战争被批评到不行阿
作者: bloodpledge (传说唷唷唷)   2016-06-28 14:49:00
tv版已死
作者: geniusroger (神犬小威)   2016-06-28 18:55:00
解释为拉姆西有政治压力加上轻敌好像可以接受
作者: saltlake (SaltLake)   2016-06-28 22:30:00
真实战史上 无差别攻击我军的著名案例有哪些? 是在怎样的状况下发生的?
作者: windycat (wCat)   2016-06-28 22:59:00
先猜派出去的是征招来的农奴囚犯或奴隶之类的这样?
作者: SCLPAL (看相的说我一脸被劈样)   2016-06-30 16:06:00
我觉得蛮弱的...原本出去前看到内缩绝体绝命.想说怎赢的
作者: bird09 (鸟九)   2016-06-30 21:59:00
史坦尼斯居然输给这种咖...
作者: lingray (美好的时光,为我停留)   2016-06-30 22:51:00
私生子带20个人火烧营区+放马,这是特种作战的成功,加上天气跟补给的不利因素,谁都会败的

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