Re: [讨论] 跑鞋在长距离过程中衰退?

楼主: ULTIMA1002 (晚点再说)   2023-12-04 22:48:32
https://runrepeat.com/guides/running-shoe-foams-guide
RUNREPEAT 12/3 正好发了这篇文章介绍了各种中底材质跟特性,
下面某段有做实验,结果是建议跑鞋中底在长距离使用后需要休息48hr以恢复中底的压缩
节录:
You may have heard from a friend that it's essential to let your shoes
recover. Well, it's just like that.
In this chart created by the American-based company Dow to showcase the
advantages of its EVA + OBC compound, various foams undergo static
compression at room temperature for 22 hours. Afterward, they’re set for
recovery during 24 hours. If a foam manages to return to its original shape
entirely, it will have a compression set of 0%—which doesn’t happen at all.
The results are truly astounding. Surprisingly, regular EVA foam outperforms
EVA + OBC in the 30-minute test, although it falls short in both variants
over 24 hours. However, when compared to a TPU foam—like Boost or PWRRUN—
the difference is absolutely astonishing.
To err on the side of caution, establish a rotation of 2 or 3 pairs of shoes
and wait at least 48 hours before using the same model again. And as happens
with you, the longer and faster you run, the more rest your shoes will need
to recover. By doing so, you'll not only enjoy better leg protection and
bounciness, but you'll also extend the lifespan of the shoe by allowing it to
fully recover between workouts.
https://lurl.cc/CqPol
作者: isohera (土城加藤鹰)   2023-12-04 23:04:00
离题了,题目是跑多少会衰竭你回答,跑完要换鞋让鞋休息
作者: tudnste (飞蚊)   2023-12-04 23:28:00
哪有离题,就是跑完会压缩才要你换鞋,只是正确的数值没人测。但可以确定的是跑完中厎确定会被压缩不会恢复
作者: Acoustics (IL)   2023-12-04 23:35:00
我印象推文这篇有更相关https://reurl.cc/blL5NE好几个月前我推的文 仔细内容忘记了== 我每天看一篇论文保持语感(我都用法文说话比较多)大大这篇也有相关啊推很新呢文章里面的metaspeed突然觉得好好看
作者: bowenwin (废文力)   2023-12-05 01:03:00
这篇很好啊,跑多久衰退什么的根本不重要,比赛鞋跟长距离训练鞋,一场比赛提供足够的避震是绝对够的会觉得不够是自己肌力的问题或选错鞋
作者: ksjr (kjsr)   2023-12-05 01:51:00
可是换个方式想 选一双衰退慢一点的鞋可以让弱弱的脚脚称更久阿 推文a大那篇用的是eva泡棉 而这篇刚好有比较各种不同泡绵的比较,虽然没有完整的报告可以看不晓得测试方式是什么
作者: jj840917 (布魯豬排Ver2.5)   2023-12-05 02:03:00
推~
作者: ksjr (kjsr)   2023-12-05 02:03:00
说完就找到了有两篇 https://reurl.cc/Wv5L89https://reurl.cc/Ryp19x 一个dow在推销自家产品的概念
作者: jj840917 (布魯豬排Ver2.5)   2023-12-05 02:08:00
所以鞋子在跑步过程中衰退是真有其事 至少这篇文章的结论是支持这个论点的! 算是长了知识也好奇实验测试的结果有没有数据XD
作者: ksjr (kjsr)   2023-12-05 02:31:00
a大贴的那篇有阿 这是图 https://reurl.cc/1Gd4MV
作者: wjack   2023-12-05 06:17:00
长知识!
作者: uei1201 (æ–°å…«)   2023-12-05 06:36:00
第一个推文的真的很重要,前一篇开头推文这是肌力弱,商人的阴谋,后面没人敢说鞋子会越跑越硬,一开口就承认这是自己肌力弱XD
作者: locka (locka)   2023-12-05 08:43:00
感谢分享~长知识~ 但楼上大大这样说大可不必吧讲的好像我在带风向@@ 我不过是个分享个人感觉的乡民,大家愿意讨论跟找资料打我脸我都很欢迎的^^"是说我没有否认衰退这件事啊,我用另一种讲法(多久感受到疲劳)诠释,也说各家鞋的确有差。(对应推文大大提供的图来解释好了)我的论点从来都不是否认衰弱的存在,而比较像是,我们能不能在10-20公里内感受到那6%(32%->26%)的能量吸收耗损,有的人能、有的人不能,如此而已。不过还是感谢这篇的分享,看来鞋子跟人一样都是需要休息的哈哈哈
作者: KobeFuck (铁悍反湖)   2023-12-05 10:10:00
单纯推locka大的客观
作者: HardRealTime (is really hard)   2023-12-05 12:23:00
locka,我觉得他不是在说你。
作者: locka (locka)   2023-12-05 12:26:00
我是上一篇第一个推文的,所以才出来解释一下~不过没事啦,大家都是理性讨论的^^
作者: isohera (土城加藤鹰)   2023-12-05 16:02:00
当你怀疑鞋子的当下,你就找到跑不好的出口了弹性物质会被压缩形变,但不至于全马里程内不堪使用。
作者: Acoustics (IL)   2023-12-05 17:09:00
给iso跟lock大推是的 不然能干嘛== 换鞋
作者: scotthsiung (Whole World Around)   2023-12-06 08:57:00
EVA本来就有这些问题,TPU--->PEBAX变得压缩Y比较好

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