Re: [讨论] 救恩会失去吗

楼主: Xenogeous (非洲大陆)   2017-09-29 20:38:39
: → df31: 预定论和救恩不可失去是两回事,好吗! 09/29 00:18
预定论又称加尔文主义,其中有五点要义。
第五点是“圣徒恒忍蒙保守”
"Perseverance of the saints"
(also known as "perseverance of God with the saints"
and "preservation of the believing")
(the word "saints" is used to refer to all who are set apart by God,
and not of those who are exceptionally holy, canonized, or in heaven)
asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated
by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion
with himself will continue in faith until the end. Those who apparently
fall away either never had true faith to begin with (1 John 2:19),
or, if they are saved but not presently walking in the Spirit,
they will be divinely chastened (Hebrews 12:5–11) and will repent
(1 John 3:6–9).
这就是我们熟知的“一次得救,永远得救”或“救恩不会失丧”。
召会承认救恩不会失去,但却不想采用加尔文主义的第五点。
作者: aun5780 (梦境)   2017-09-29 20:45:00
前提是需要被拣选的圣徒喔没被拣选的只是会友被拣选的才会保守到底没被拣选的不会有任何保守
作者: df31 (DF-31)   2017-09-29 22:20:00
a提我们回答了。还是不懂‘一次得救,永远得救’跟预定论是两码子事。
作者: aun5780 (梦境)   2017-09-30 09:48:00
这真的是两个独立的系统
作者: df31 (DF-31)   2017-09-30 09:55:00
@a 我们是博物馆,专卖古董。现代人不懂。
作者: aun5780 (梦境)   2017-09-30 10:12:00
真的有DF大在真的很棒可以从您身上看到很多传统基督教的特质很多都是现在的教会中很难听到的观念有DF大分享这些教父们的说法我觉得非常地受益良多

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