Re: [新闻] Djo打赢Fed的策略

楼主: RlO5566 (RIO)   2015-07-16 19:34:21
※ 引述《kyle5241 (kyle)》之铭言:
: http://tinyurl.com/qftm97l
: Brain Game: Djokovic's Winning Game Plan Against Federer
: One more ball.
: 多打一颗球
: That was the foundation on which Novak Djokovic, and coach, Boris Becker,
: built a masterful game plan to win the Serb’s third Wimbledon title Sunday.
: 这是Djo和其教练贝克完美的比赛策略的根基
: Djokovic defeated Roger Federer 7-6(1), 6-7(10), 6-4, 6-3, primarily by
: extending rallies, and making Federer bend to his own baseline intentions,
: much more than the opposite way.
: Djo打败老费,主要在于延长对抽次数,同时迫使老费待在底线
: There were several moments in time where the match could have swung either way,
: but the overall body of work was far more controlled by the Serb, and that
: greatly helped when push came to shove.
: 或是在某些时候事情不是这样发展,但大部分时刻比赛都掌握在赛亚人手中
: Federer played more baseline points in the final (126) than any other match,
: averaging 32 per set - six more per set than against Andy Murray in the
: semi-finals.
: 费爸打了比任何一场比赛还多的底线。在决赛高达126次,每盘32次:比跟莫瑞打时每盘
: 足足多了六次
: It was exactly the plan that super-coach, Boris Becker, had put into place.
: 这完全就是超级教练贝克一开始就拟定的计画
: “Obviously we knew that Roger is going to go all power, he is not going to
: wait, and go for slow baseline rallies,” Becker said post-match.
: 贝克赛后说:很明显的我们知道罗杰会用尽全力,他不会等待,然后在底线缓慢对抽
: “He started the way he finished with Murray, very aggressive, not giving
: Novak any time, any rhythm.”
: 他一开始就用他结束莫瑞比赛的方式,非常的侵略,不给Novak任何喘息和节奏
: “There was not much between them in the first two sets, but as the match
: went on I had a good feeling. I felt that eventually Novak would get hold of
: Roger’s serve, get him into baseline rallies, take advantage of his younger
: legs, and that was the difference.”
: 前两盘双方打的难分难解。但随着比赛的进行,我有了好的预感。我觉得最后Novak
: 可以挡住罗杰的发球,迫使他返回底线对抽,利用他年轻的腿。而差距就开始出现。
: Federer averaged winning 52 per cent of his baseline points going into
: this year’s final, but that number was hammered down to 40 per cent by
: Djokovic’s superior baseline arsenal. Ironically, those were the exact same
: losing numbers for Federer at the 2014 Championships. It was simply a matter
: of hitting copy / paste 12 months later for the Serb.
: 在进入决赛前,费德勒可以赢下52%的底线得分,但在Djo无敌的底线能力前,这个数字
: 掉到了40%。讽刺的是,这个数字跟去年一样,基本上就是把12个月前的数据复制贴上
: While Federer’s groundstrokes had sparkled against Murray, they mainly
: misfired against Djokovic.
: 虽然费的抽击对莫端很有效,却在对Djo时熄火
: In the final, Djokovic won the battle of short rallies of 0-4 shots long
: 103-94, lost the medium length rallies of 5-9 shots 27-34, and dominated
: extended rallies of nine shots or more 18-10. Federer didn’t play that
: many extended rallies in his first three rounds combined.
: 在0到4拍的对抽,Djo 103:94 胜费。5~9拍的对抽以27:34输费,但在超过10次的
: 对抽以18:10大胜。顺带一题,费在前三轮总共加起来都没有这么多次超过10拍的
: 对抽
: Djokovic Forehand
: Djo正手
: Djokovic’s forehand was extremely impressive in the final, hitting 17 winners
: to Federer’s 15, while only committing seven (Federer 17) unforced errors.
: Djokovic hit it harder and flatter than normal against Federer’s primary
: baseline weapon.
: Djo的正手有17个致胜球(相对于费的15个),而仅只有7个失误(费17个)。Djo的正手
: 比费的主要底线攻击武器还要平和用力
: “There was no option,” Becker said. “If you don’t hit it you lose anyway.
: Go through the ball, be aggressive, go head-to-head with Roger, or you are
: going to lose.”
: 贝克说:你没有任何选择。如果你不用力打,你还是会输,所以就尽情的去攻击,跟
: 罗杰对轰,要不然就等著输球
: “At the French Open he (Novak) played too tentative, he wanted Stan (Wawrinka)
: to miss the balls, but you are not going to win a Grand Slam final by waiting
: for the other guy to miss.”
: 在法网囧打的太小心,他希望小卡自爆,但你没办法在大满贯借由等其他人自爆而赢球
: (迷之声:去年温网?)
: “Novak was ready to go five hours, and I think it showed,” Becker added.
: Novak早就准备好要打五小时了,我想你们也看见了
: Second Serves
: 二发
: The other key battle ground that Djokovic dominated in similar fashion to
: their 2014 final was second serves. In successive finals, Djokovic’s second
: serve winning per centage remained a strength, while Federer’s got
: significantly worse.
: 跟去年一样的由Djo称霸的关键战场是二发。在今年决赛,Djo的二发依然强势,但费的
: 二发就变得跟烂
: Djokovic won 60 per cent of his second serves in today’s final and 65 per cent
: last year at SW19 against Federer. The Swiss, seven-time champion had won
: 66 per cent of his second serve points the past two weeks, but could only
: muster 49 per cent in the final. Last year, those numbers also massively
: dropped from 62 per cent to 44 per cent.
: 今天Djo赢了60%的二发,去年赢了65%。在过去两个礼拜瑞士人赢了66%的二发,可是面对
: Djo只剩下可怜的49%。去年这个数字从62%掉到了44%
: Becker scouted Federer’s impressive semi-final victory over Murray from the
: Royal Box on Centre Court, and saw specific areas for Djokovic to attack in
: the final.
: 贝克在费德勒大胜莫端的比赛大刺刺的坐在旁边收集情报。他从费身上看到了一些Djo
: 可以攻击的部位
: “Wimbledon finals are not won in the semi-final,” Becker knowingly pointed
: out.
: 温网决赛不是由准决赛来赢的
: “Roger peaked in the semi-final. He could not have played better, but I have
: seen Andy Murray play better as well. Of course, you get carried away with
: the legend, Roger has won it seven times, but I felt if Novak could get hold
: of the return, get Roger involved in the baseline rallies, just the extra
: point all the time, eventually he was going to wear him down.”
: 罗杰在准决赛的表现已经好的不能再更好,但是莫端其实也表现的更好。但我有感觉假
: 如Djo可以在接球局中撑住,迫使罗杰参与更多底线对抽。就算只是多打几分,最后
: 囧会开始把费给消耗掉
: Federer Attacking
: 费的攻击
: Federer served and volleyed on 22 per cent (21/94) of his first serve points,
: and 25 per cent (11/44) on seconds serves, overall winning a healthy 72 per
: cent (23/32). He was also solid with net points won, winning 73 per cent
: (42/58) at the front of the court. But it should have happened even more, as
: Djokovic was able to get Federer into 126 baseline exchanges, that made
: Federer’s pathway forward less clear, and blunted his overall aggression.
: 费在一发有22%的发球上网,二发有25%的发球上网。网前得分率是健康的73%。但这
: 应该要发生更多次的。因为Djo迫使费进行高达126次的底线对抽,费向前走的路就不明了
: What Federer needed was more attacking than normal against Djokovic, but he
: was not unwavering with the tactic.
: 费需要的是更多的攻击来对抗Djo,但他对于这个策略并是坚定不摇的
: Overall, Djokovic served magnificently, returned hard and deep, and took
: advantage of the small windows of opportunity that presented themselves
: better than Federer.
: 总体来说,Djo发球很棒,回球很用力很深,同时掌握住那一丁点的优势而使他比
: 费更优秀
: Djokovic knew Federer was not going to miss on the first couple of shots in a
: rally, but he a made a point of repeatedly asking the question on the third
: shot, or the fifth, or the seventh.
: Djo知道费不会放过前几拍的对抽,但他让费不断地在3、5或7拍面对这个问题
: One more ball created one more opportunity to miss, and delivered one more
: title on the world’s biggest stage.
: 每多一拍就可以创造更多的机会,同时得到更多的冠军
: 很多人都说如果费表现的跟半决赛一样好就会赢
: 但这是不可能的。费的武器和弱点早就被对方的教练看透了
: 费在数据上的表现比去年决赛好多了
: 可是反而更早输球
: (他自己本人都说他打的并不差,纯粹技不如人)
: 有人说颠峰时期的费来打现在的囧会赢
: 但事实上他应该会输的更惨
: 现在的费比以前更有经验
: 懂的如何降低他弱的伤害
: 技巧也更纯熟
: 以前的费应该是打不赢现在的费的
: 如果现在的费没有更强的话
: 他也不可能维持在世界第二
: 毕竟其他人也一直在进步
: 只是世界第一的那个家伙已经几乎没有弱点了
: 唯一能够打败他的方法就是硬碰硬
: 像小卡那样
: 而那个家伙拥有各种的武器对你的弱点发动攻击
: 除非能像小卡那样几乎没弱点可以攻(自爆以外)
: 否则要打败囧几乎就是不可能的任务
不觉得年轻的费打不赢
年轻的费抽球质量和角度
都比现在好的多,就算对手爆气
费依然凭借天赋打出不可思议的球
但是现在的体能已经无法再做到了
仅次而已
也许现在的乔可以稍微跟巅峰费抗衡
但是我相信费仍是略胜一筹
作者: oralboralb ( )   2015-07-16 19:37:00
贵古贱今 Djokovic是史上攻守最平均的人 攻击型的老费会被大大削弱进攻 防守又不如Djokovic 输得机率大
作者: sleeeve (赴美留学的日子...)   2015-07-16 19:52:00
可以参考2007美网决赛 那时中费就已经不太能压制小Djoy但是说也奇怪 一直到现在 Djo也未必完全技压老费在早一点的幼费 big中只有Rafa比较成气候
作者: athran (秘密)   2015-07-16 20:12:00
攻击型的老费才会输的机率大,费神时代的角度跟准度强太多攻击已经下滑这么多的费爸,体力不足前还是能跟囧一拼
作者: daieiso (紫荆城的小宝)   2015-07-16 20:17:00
一楼自己给的称号吧,没听过这样说的
作者: loveriver777 (梦幻白老虎)   2015-07-16 21:44:00
这种比较文很怪 阿就不同年啊是要怎么比 时光机吗
作者: koichitfg (光希)   2015-07-16 22:32:00
张飞打岳飞
作者: voluteer (....)   2015-07-16 23:29:00
虽然2007年美网决赛两个7比6 不过我去看2007年澳网费却完全压制 而且球都超重角度大美网决赛是两个7比6一个6比4
作者: iriver795 (fault...double fault)   2015-07-16 23:35:00
以前费的防守球就可以当攻击球了
作者: Naruto9tails (鸣人)   2015-07-16 23:45:00
Djo在07年不断进步,年初跟年底有差而且有在07年北美大师赛打赢费,机会还是有的以前的Djo也是可以抗衡的
作者: newandnew   2015-07-17 00:03:00
双方都有进步 但federer先老了 就这样
作者: sleeeve (赴美留学的日子...)   2015-07-17 00:06:00
看到big3之间恐怖的竞争 再看看Murray 只能说还好Mur前几年聘请到大师Lendl..不然跟这三只的竞争会更弱一点这两年又多了小卡 男网的竞争还是很精彩
作者: TSbb (贷款三十年债开始)   2015-07-17 00:18:00
07年费在巅峰,囧口才几岁在比? 每次都费老 wwwww好像年轻的对手就比较占优? 那你打幼稚园的小孩就输死了?
作者: bigman (谈恋爱有什么好)   2015-07-17 00:28:00
笑了啦...这篇真的不是反串吗
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-17 01:04:00
都在巅峰的话应该还是五五波 状态不同就会有不同的应对这两个人的对决差不多都是这样
作者: jackyzhes (金寶)   2015-07-17 01:29:00
17GS VS 9GS 语毕
作者: oicecnir (衡吧)   2015-07-17 01:55:00
最多55波而已..囧科现在还是强的夸张好吗...
作者: pennykidd (回到青蘋果的年代)   2015-07-17 02:08:00
07美网前两盘Fed都是后来居上 DJO在那时已经展现了天赋但是Fed在那时还是只能算底线攻击型选手 网前的技巧比不上现在的Fed 也许年轻的Fed打现在的DJO会变成完全在底线上决定胜败 而非现在Fed会努力想缩短对抽来到网前
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-17 02:17:00
单打TOP技术一定很全面 现在是体能无法在底线抗衡才会这样打 我不觉得以前网前技术就会比较差现在要说有什么会比以前强的 那也只有经验而已(废话)
作者: talentgod (痛失眠)   2015-07-17 03:27:00
Fed在那时还是只能算底线攻击型选手??????????????????
作者: nellnell (小厚)   2015-07-17 08:31:00
又是张飞打岳飞XDD 这跟战老大还是乔丹比较强是一样的
作者: redplum (LIVESTRONG)   2015-07-17 09:57:00
Fed防守也是数一数二的好,谢谢
作者: ajay0917 (杰)   2015-07-17 12:44:00
费爸刚出道时根本是天才上网型球员吧?后来才转成底线型为主的
作者: easytry (放空)   2015-07-17 12:46:00
又在以前网前技巧没现在好了...真有看比赛吗
作者: yevvi (yevvi)   2015-07-17 15:19:00
费爸刚出道时03年前网前使用时机和细腻技术真的不怎样
作者: MemoryLin (2013 Korea Drama -两周)   2015-07-17 15:26:00
能打到TOP的人各项技术当然不会差到哪去 只是单一技术会特别突显 Djo之前放很多囧小球 现进步到成为一项武器
作者: Longzoo (千雪孤鳴)   2015-07-17 15:31:00
不是全面型吗?怎么变回底线攻击型
作者: MemoryLin (2013 Korea Drama -两周)   2015-07-17 15:33:00
Fed以前上网频率没现在高 底线就可以赢很多人..
作者: DflowerT (鲜花)   2015-07-17 15:37:00
多数的体育竞技本来就是年轻会较占优.当然这是建立在一方体能已经过巅峰的情形下.至于拿幼稚园来比喻根本就是无限上纲的例子.怎么会拿体能发展尚未健全的状况来比...
作者: wally155101 (蜥蜴)   2015-07-17 16:12:00
虽然我是费爸迷,但囧囧刚出道时,就看好他了,所以现在世界第一,并不意外如果硬要比,等囧囧33岁还有这种成绩再说
作者: jason840226 (BabyHurk)   2015-07-17 18:31:00
不同龄巅峰期也没重叠,基本上就是幻想文囉,没有对或错,就是这样,比赛影响因素那么多,去讲什么强弱你也得不到证明,基本上就是一个结果论的概念而已
作者: TSbb (贷款三十年债开始)   2015-07-17 20:57:00
弥弥的TOP还真奇怪,这样讲纳豆莫瑞有每项都很优异吗?
作者: TTsnow (羽痕)   2015-07-17 21:03:00
弥弥的脑袋还真奇怪,纳豆莫瑞有哪一项技术特别差的吗
作者: fedirk1741 (嗨)   2015-07-17 21:43:00
反正他开口闭口只会弥弥跟神逻辑 不用跟他认真拉哈哈
作者: black205 (寻觅方向的人)   2015-07-18 00:47:00
费还在神坛上时 挥挥拍对方就接不到了 何必上网
作者: shaker2580 (Madferit)   2015-07-18 09:56:00
差六岁是在比什么 XD
作者: jason840226 (BabyHurk)   2015-07-18 15:13:00
借这串问,钓手T有被桶过吗,有点好奇
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-18 18:03:00
技术要全面本来就是打单打的一个门槛 毕竟要一个人顾全场如果只想靠单一技术爬到前五十甚至前二十只有一种例外就是靠发球...但不够全面再怎样都挤不进前十的
作者: FirstService (一发)   2015-07-18 21:03:00
某T的程度除了弥弥来弥弥去也讲不出有道理的话了
作者: openbestbook (吃萝卜不吐萝卜皮)   2015-07-19 05:57:00
天才上网型???? 是喔
作者: cat5672 (尾行)   2015-07-19 10:13:00
FED刚出道是打发球上网 但是后来转型随球上网才有所突破
作者: ajay0917 (杰)   2015-07-20 12:42:00
最初的那几届温布敦冠军 那上网成功率高得有点呕心
作者: ejijojo (小羊羊)   2015-07-22 15:32:00
现在的囧口跟老费差不多 以前的囧口会赢费神??

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