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乌克兰门．华府风暴》白宫公布关键电话通话纪录　川普在弹劾案丑闻中越陷越深！
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阎纪宇 2019-09-26 00:51
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2019年9月25日，美国白宫公布今年7月25日川普总统与乌克兰总统哲连斯基（Volodymyr
Zelensky）的电话通话纪录（AP）
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│ “还有一件事，拜登的儿子让人议论纷纷，拜登阻止检察官办案，很多人想查清楚 │
│ ，如果你能与（美国）司法部长合作，那就太好了。拜登到处吹嘘他如何阻止检察 │
│ 官办案，所以如果你可以看看这个案子……我觉得很糟糕。” │
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美国白宫25日公布今年7月25日上午川普总统与乌克兰总统哲连斯基（Volodymyr
Zelensky）的电话通话纪录，上述就是其中最关键的一段话，川普要求哲连斯基调查美国
前副总统拜登（Joe Biden）与他的儿子杭特（Hunter Biden）。哲连斯基则回应会责成
检察官了解此事，并请求川普提供更多相关资讯。
尽管川普强调美国对乌克兰有多好，但在这场通话之前约一个礼拜，川普下令扣住对乌克
兰的3亿9100万美元（新台币122亿元）军事援助，各方怀疑目的就是要对哲连斯基施压。
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2019年9月25日，乌克兰总统哲连斯基（Volodymyr Zelensky）在联合国大会发表演说（
AP）
为了打击对手，要求外国政府合作
这就是华府新近引爆的“乌克兰门”（Ukrainegate）丑闻：川普为了打击2020年总统连
任选战的可能劲敌拜登，竟然要求一位外国领导人与其政府帮忙“挖掘对手黑资料”，甚
至祭出扣住巨额军事援助的肮脏手段。
根据白宫公布的通话纪录（是摘要而非逐字稿），川普不但要求哲连斯基政府配合查案，
还要求对方与美国司法部长巴尔（William Barr）合作。换言之，川普为了打击政敌，不
但扭曲国家外交军事政策，还准备动用自家政府的司法资源。
司法部25日连忙自清，强调巴尔并不知道川普对乌克兰总统提到他，从来没有与川普讨论
与乌克兰合作调查拜登父子，也不曾与川普私人律师朱利安尼（Rudolph Giuliani）谈过
“任何与乌克兰有关的事务”。
川普在与哲连斯基通话时力荐朱利安尼，要对方多多倚重。朱利安尼对“拜登案”也介入
甚深，早在今年5月就准备亲自前往乌克兰首都基辅（Kiev），企图为乌克兰政府“上紧
发条”，后来在舆论强烈抨击下作罢。
情报官员主动检举，惊动国家情报总监
外界原本不会注意到这场30分钟的电话对话，但是川普政府自家的一位情报官员得知后，
深觉总统言行不当，在8月12日提出“揭密者控告”（whistleblower complaint），美国
情报机构督察长（Inspector General of the Intelligence Community）艾金森（
Michael Atkinson）与代理国家情报总监（DNI）马奎尔（Joseph Maguire）认为兹事体
大，请司法部刑事部门提供意见。
巴尔领导的司法部在“通俄门”（Russiagate）事件中全力为川普护航，遇到“乌克兰门
”似乎也依样葫芦，声称川普并没有违反“不得从外国人士获取费用、捐赠或有价值的事
物”的竞选经费法规。亦即，要求外国领导人协助打击对手不是“有价值的事物”。
民主党启动弹劾调查，共和党全力护主
民主党已在24日向川普全面开战，联邦众议院议长裴洛西（Nancy Pelosi）宣布对川普展
开“弹劾调查”（impeachment inquiry）。目前看来，弹劾案有希望通过众议院表决（
简单多数决），但一定会在参议院“审判”时被共和党挡下来。
川普照惯例批民主党是在搞党派恶斗与“政治猎巫”。他的共和党囉喽们则坚称，一方面
川普在电话中并未提到“以军援换取调查”的交换条件，尽管他在通电话前已扣住军援；
一方面拜登父子则有贪腐嫌疑，尽管乌克兰几年前的调查早已澄清此事，而自川普以下的
指控者至今拿不出任何像样的新证据。
附注：档案原文
（本来有 (C)、(S/NF) 等标示“机密”的字样，但因川普下令公开，故已删除）
CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim
transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and
recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned
to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversa-
tion takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record,
including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or
interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conver-
sation that the notetaker was unable to hear.
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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
Notetakers: The White House Situation Room
DATE, TIME AND PLACE: July 25, 2019, 9:03 - 9:33 a.m. EDT, Residence
The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the
United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, some-
body who wasn't given much of a change, and you ended up winning easily. It's
a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big
and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to
you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your
skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections
and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique
situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you
the following: the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my
presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my
party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you
can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.
The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I think your country is
very happy about that.
President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work
hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in
many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians,
because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a
great teacher for us and in that.
The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do
a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than
the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they
are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's
something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela
Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A lot of the European
countries are the same way, so I think it's something you want to look at but
the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's
reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the
United States has been very very good to Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually
1000% and I can tell you the following: I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did
meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron, and I told them that they
are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the
sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much
as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the
European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States
is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you
for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more
than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against
the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support
in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next
steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United
States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country
has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to
find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowd-
strike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation...
I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like
to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to
get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with
a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent perfor-
mance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do,
it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is. very important for me and everything that you
just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are
open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on coopera-
tion in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I
just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a
very competent and very experienced ambassador who wtll work hard on making
sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to
see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with
you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of
my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very
much that Mr. G1uliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once
he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have
nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the
best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are
friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our
country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround
myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as
the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and
candidly. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and
he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about
that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very
bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor
of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask
him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's
happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would
be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad
news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I
just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about
Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to
find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be
great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you
can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all
I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the
absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100%
my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will
start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situa-
tion, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue
of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to re-
store the honesty so we will take care of that and wi11 work on the investiga-
tion of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any addi-
tional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for
the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with
regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall
her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me
that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude to-
wards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she
was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.
The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr.
Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr
call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I
heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor
so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better
I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many
Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.
President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few
Ukrain1an friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I
traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I
stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again
in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the
United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also want td
ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the
investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two
countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy
independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy
independence witp United States. We are already working on cooperation. We
are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will
have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get
to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your
support.
The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will
tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would
like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll
work that out. I look forward to seeing you.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and
would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am
looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit
Ukraine and come to the city bf Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a
beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that
on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After
that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either
take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably
much better than mine.
The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in
Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at
that time.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.
The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole world
was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.