[新闻] 美国领导的联军在 Raqqa 杀死1600平民

楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 13:15:20
标题: Report: US-led coalition killed 1,600 civilians in Raqqa in 2017
(报告发现:2017年美国领导的联军在Raqqa 杀死1600名平民)
新闻来源: CNN
https://tinyurl.com/y565fmbh
A newly released report charges that the US-led coalition killed more than
1,600 civilians in Raqqa over the course of several months in 2017 during its
campaign to eradicate ISIS from the Syrian city.
( 最新发布的一份报告称,美国领导的联军在2017年消灭伊斯兰国的行动中,在几个月内
杀死了叙利亚城市Raqqa的1,600多名平民。)
The report, released Thursday by Amnesty International and Airwars, found
that US, UK and French airstrikes and US artillery strikes killed or injured
thousands of civilians from June to October 2017.
(国际特赦组织和Airwars周四发布的这份报告发现,2017年6月至10月,美国,英国和法
国的空袭和美国砲击造成数千名平民死亡或受伤。)
A coalition analysis of civilian casualties does not match the report's
findings.
(联军自己的对平民伤亡的统计分析与该报告不符。[按:少了数倍])
"Many of the cases documented by Amnesty International likely amount to
violations of international humanitarian law and warrant further
investigation," the report states.
(报告指出,被国际特赦组织记录下来的许多案例可能违反国际人道法,值得进一步调查
。)
"Thousands of civilians were killed or injured in the US-led coalition's
offensive to rid Raqqa of IS, whose snipers and mines had turned the city
into a death trap. Many of the air bombardments were inaccurate and tens of
thousands of artillery strikes were indiscriminate, so it is no surprise they
killed and injured many hundreds of civilians," Donatella Rovera, Senior
Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, said in a news release
about the report.
(国际特赦组织高级危机应对顾问Donatella Rovera在一份关于该报告的新闻稿中表示:
当以美国为首的联军摧毁Raqqa 里的伊斯兰国势力时,成千上万的平民被杀或受伤。伊斯
兰国的狙击手和地雷已经使这座城市变成了一个死亡陷阱。联军的许多空袭都是不准确的
,成千上万的砲击不分青红皂白,因此,造成数百名平民死伤并不意外。)
Col. Scott Rawlinson, a coalition spokesman, said there were "69 credible
allegations out of Raqqa, resulting in 318 killed," according to their
records. Rawlinson later clarified that the 318 number was for October
2014-October 2017 and the current number for completed investigations of
civilian casualties between June-October 2017 is 180.
(联军发言人Scott Rawlinson上校表示,根据他们的记录,“Raqqa有69起可靠的指控,
导致318人死亡”。Rawlinson后来澄清说,318这个数字是2014年10月至2017年10月,目
前2017年6月至10月期间完成的平民伤亡调查数量是180。)
He noted that there were still allegations under investigation. Amnesty
International had provided them with 86 new allegations, Rawlinson said, "43
of which had already been assessed as credible and previously reported or
were deemed not credible because the allegation did not corroborate with our
strike records." He said they have requested additional information on the
other 43 allegations.
(他指出有些指控仍在调查中。Rawlinson说,国际特赦组织为他们提供了86项新指控,“
其中43项已经被评估为可信,尽管那些指控之前未能与袭击记录一致而不被采信。”
他说,他们已要求提供有关其他43项指控的补充资料。)
"Any unintentional loss of life during the defeat of Daesh (ISIS) is tragic.
However it must be balanced against the risk of enabling Daesh to continue
terrorist activities, causing pain and suffering to anyone they choose,"
Rawlinson said in a statement. "The Coalition takes all reasonable measures
to minimize civilian casualties."
(“在击败伊斯兰国同时,任何非有意造成的生命损失都是悲剧性的,但必须考量到由伊
斯兰国继续恐怖活动,给其它任何人带来痛苦和苦难的风险,”Rawlinson在一份声明中
说。 “联军采取一切合理措施,尽量减少平民伤亡。”)
According to a monthly civilian casualty assessment from the coalition that
was released Thursday, it had "conducted 34,464 strikes between August 2014
and end of March 2019" in Syria and Iraq which "unintentionally killed at
least 1,291 civilians."
(根据周四公布的联军每月平民伤亡评估,它在叙利亚和伊拉克“在2014年8月到2019年3
月底之间进行了34,464起袭击”,“无意中杀死了至少1,291名平民”。)
Amnesty International and Airwars have called upon the coalition forces to
acknowledge the scope of the reported civilian casualties and "to put in
place an independent, impartial mechanism to effectively and promptly
investigate reports of civilian harm, including violations of international
humanitarian law, and make the findings public."
(国际特赦组织和Airwars呼吁联军承认报告中的平民伤亡数量,并“建立一个独立,公正
的机制,以便有效和迅速地调查伤害平民,包括违反国际人道主义法的行为,并使研究结
果公开。”)
According to the report, the findings are based on nearly two years of
investigations, including months of research on the ground in Raqqa and
analysis of satellite images and open-source evidence like social media posts.
(根据该报告,调查发现是基于近两年的调查,包括Raqqa实地研究数月和卫星图像分析以
及社交媒体帖子等开源证据。)
The Raqqa report comes a day after the release of a UN report that found
Afghan government, US and international forces have been responsible for more
civilian deaths in Afghanistan in the first three months of 2019 than the
Taliban and ISIS, though overall civilian casualties were down in Afghanistan
during that same period.
(在Raqqa报告发布的前一天,有一份联合国报告发布。该报告发现,在2019年头三个月,
阿富汗政府,美国和国际部队应对塔利班和伊斯兰国的平民死亡事件负责,尽管在同一时
期整体平民伤亡人数下降。)
It is the first time since the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan began
documenting civilian deaths and injuries in 2009 that deaths caused by
pro-government forces surpassed those caused by insurgent groups.
(这是自2009年联合国阿富汗援助团开始记录平民伤亡事件以来,亲政府部队造成的死亡
人数超过叛乱团体造成的死亡人数。)
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楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 13:22:00
影片报导:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFBPVimMc4U此新闻见于CNN, BBC, ABC, VOA, Al Jazeera, RT, ForeignPolicy,但不见于任何中文媒体。调查报告 https://raqqa.amnesty.org/ (交互式网页)
作者: os2CV (os2CV)   2019-04-26 13:39:00
这个好像在俄外交部发言人的纪录中有提到,骂得很难听
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 13:51:00
新西兰孤狼杀手杀死数十平民,举世震惊;斯里兰卡中型组织杀死数百平民,举世震惊;全世界最有效率杀人组织杀死数千平民,生活日常。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 21:38:00
战争打到平民很正常 不用带风向平均26.7起攻击才会打死一个平民 如果是被砲击打到一次起码死好几个 差不多等于破百起的攻击才会打到一次真的是"全世界最有效率杀人组织" 我都笑了...问题在于是不是有蓄意硬敲的 是的话就要抓出来我都很好奇 下"全世界最有效率杀人组织" 这个结论之前kwei大有没有拿计算机先按过
作者: gimtama (方汉声)   2019-04-26 22:40:00
最有效率的是直接丢进集中营吧,可是联合国继续装死
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 22:51:00
丢进去也要有死人才会有效率 思想改造不太容易出人命
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 22:58:00
效率应该用经济学概念理解,只要杀人者风险低,收益大,就是有效率。比如说,无人机杀人,杀人方风险低,就有动机降低监管,导致滥杀。这和花费无关。和规划者在不在乎平民生命有关。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 23:10:00
那看起来是很在乎了 要打破百次才会丢到一次
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 23:16:00
不是的。美军很有效率,因为自己人命更贵,远程武器再浪费也值得。错的是,从第三方来看双方人命都是命,所以要遣责。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 23:19:00
遗憾的是 丢到平民是本来就会发生的事情 你轰炸不可能完全不伤到路人 只看数据算是一般般
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 23:44:00
我认为光就数据来看是低估的,袭击数可用联军公布数字,平民死亡数是国际特赦组织以有限之力的调查结果,只是保守的数字。重点是此数字已比联军自己的分析多数倍,联军根本无心于此
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 23:47:00
不管数字多于多少 目前找到的数字最大就这样 几分证据讲几分话 目前算算就是一般般不然空口说白话 大家也可嘴老中集中营死了多少人一样没有资料佐整的内容就是没有意义数字就只是数字 自己要把偏见拔掉就跟股票一样 这产业这公司你看衰 可是人家就是一直涨看错就认错 扯一堆理由安慰自己没有意义 因为股价就是那样
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-26 23:57:00
不否认现况,同时也赞成国际特赦组织说的,应进一步调查。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-26 23:58:00
本来就要再调查了 恐怖份子枪丢掉就变平民了 平民尸体旁边多一把枪就变恐怖份子了 光怎么认定都是问题这种非正规的敌对势力 要怎么认定本身就是很大的问题
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-27 00:04:00
我个人的观点是,平民死亡应关注绝对数字。不应以杀人者的命中率高低而有不同。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-27 00:05:00
误伤的机率高低多少可以看是不是蓄意打的 因为误伤是必然
楼主: kwei (光影)   2019-04-27 07:57:00
一个如此强大,有意无意都已杀死大量平民的武装力量,其所造成的人道灾难,不是用什么比例原则或大分母一除就会弱化的。
作者: ksacet (ksacet)   2019-04-27 09:22:00
还是那句话误伤是必然 剩下只有蓄意与否的问题如果只看伤亡人数会有盲点 简单讲一个外科医生一辈子难免手术失败死几个人 照你这种思维 他的罪行比只杀过一个人的杀人犯还大 你那套只看人数的讲法根本是谬论

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