: 推 lkcs:“网络文章这种都是第二首资料”这话谁说的？ 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:14
: → lkcs:结果这个人只能继续拿网络文章做资料 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:14
: → lkcs:我引述的是老和尚的原话，反而成第三手真搞笑 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:14
网络文章的资料为什么是二手呢?，因为会参杂作者自己个人的想法，可能引用一段话
或者文章的一小段，来支持自己的论点
你的资料最大的问题，是几句话并不是出现在同一个说话的场合或同一文章
既然不是同一来源，你怎么确定是在说同一件事，或是它的顺序是如此排列的?
所以这充其量是你个人的观点，讲好听是造假，难听一点就是抹黑
况且你只有撷取一段话，就好比说了主题但没有支撑的论述，这怎么会有说服力
这个就是断章取义，要引用别人的话，麻烦前后文都一起引用，这是才是客观
: 推 lkcs:我并没有更改老和尚任何一个字，或者论点。 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:22
: → lkcs:你所说的那一句，我完整引用到了句号。china. 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:22
: → lkcs:你补充的是论据，你可以再补充一千条 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:23
: → lkcs:正如纳粹也有他们很好的论据来证明自己的论点 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:24
: → lkcs:但那个论点，是不会变的 119.130.99.89 07/23 06:24
既然有人想被打脸，那我就直接打下去，以下是引用的内容
Abandonment of China's population transfer policy,which threatened
the very existence of the Tibetans as a people.
it is imperative that the population transfer is stopped and Chinese
settlers return to China.
I also called for a halt to the Chinese population transfer into Tibet.
the Chinese Government should abandon its policy of transferring Chinese
to Tibet.
Our concern is the induced massive movement of primarily Han but also
some other nationalities into many areas of Tibet.
1.Abandonment of China's population transfer policy,which threatened
the very existence of the Tibetans as a people.
这一句是出次达赖五项和平计画，所以可以单独来看
从内容来说很合理，威胁到西藏人生存的中国人迁移本来就该禁止
因为影响到当地人的生存，还是你认为西藏人灭绝无所谓?
换个角度来想，没威胁到西藏人生存的移民，应该是可以许可的
2. it is imperative that the population transfer is stopped and Chinese
settlers return to China.
完整文章内容：
http://www.dalailama.com/messages/tibet/five-point-peace-plan
另外，这个是1987年的资料，20多年前的会不会太旧了
前后文是这样：”For the Tibetans to survive as a people, it is imperative
that the population transfer is stopped and Chinese settlers return to
China. Otherwise, Tibetans will soon be no more than a tourist attraction
and relic of a noble past.”
你漏掉” For the Tibetans to survive as a people,”
这个叫做一字没改，别笑死人，然后这一段是结论
上一段有达赖的解释说明：
Today, in the whole of Tibet 7.5 million Chinese settlers have already been
sent, outnumbering the Tibetan population of 6 million. In central and
western Tibet, now referred to by the Chinese as the "Tibet Autonomous
Region", Chinese sources admit the 1.9 million Tibetans already constitute
a minority of the region's population. These numbers do not take the
estimated 300,000-500,000 troops in Tibet into account - 250,000 of
them in so-called Tibet Autonomous Region.
加上这个说明就很清楚，因为在西藏内，中国移民已经超过
藏人的数量，这已经压迫到藏人的生存空间的
3. I also called for a halt to the Chinese population transfer into Tibet.
完整文章:
http://www.dalailama.com/messages/tibet/strasbourg-proposal-1988
这个好像是1988年的演讲
完整的句子是这样：
I also called for respect of human rights, democratic ideals, environmental
protection, and a halt to the Chinese population transfer into Tibet.
中间删掉”respect of human rights, democratic ideals, environmental
protection” 这个叫一字不改，真是脸皮够厚
前后文内容：
I announced a Five Point Peace Plan for Tibet. In it I called for a
conversion of Tibet into a zone of peace, a sanctuary in which
humanity and nature can live together in harmony. I also called
for respect of human rights, democratic ideals, environmental
protection, and a halt to the Chinese population transfer into Tibet.
4. the Chinese Government should abandon its policy of transferring
Chinese to Tibet.
这一句跟第三句是出自同一边文章，原句如下:
In order to create an atmosphere of trust conductive to fruitful
negotiations,the Chinese Government should cease its human
rights violations in Tibet and abandon its policy of transferring
Chinese to Tibet.
中间的cease its human rights violations in Tibet 也不见了
真奇怪，人权这的单字好像特别容易消失
因为这段只有一句，所以就没前后文的问题
5. Our concern is the induced massive movement of primarily Han
but also some other nationalities into many areas of Tibet.
这次总算比较新，2008年达赖到欧州议会演说
完整文章：http://ppt.cc/g~hP
完整句子:
Our concern is the induced massive movement of primarily Han,
but also some other nationalities, into many Tibetan areas, which in
turn marginalizes the native Tibetan population and threatens Tibet's
fragile natural environment.
后面又少一段，你脸还不够肿吗
前后文如下：
We have made it clear in our memorandum that our intention is not to
expel non-Tibetans. Our concern is the induced massive movement of
primarily Han, but also some other nationalities, into many Tibetan areas,
which in turn marginalizes the native Tibetan population and threatens
Tibet's fragile natural environment. Major demographic changes that result
from massive migration will lead to the assimilation rather than integration
of the Tibetan nationality into the PRC and gradually lead to the extinction
of the distinct culture and identity of the Tibetan people.
第一句以经说明了，不是要把中国人驱除掉，
最后一句怕被同化掉，然后导致西藏文化被灭绝
从整篇看下，达赖的担忧很清楚，不希望藏人的生存和文化受到威胁，
大规模移民可能就会造成这种问题，以一个藏人的领导者这
些谈话相当合理，为什么你会认为达赖是种族清洗主义者?
不让中国人移民就叫种族清洗，那加拿大禁止中国人投资移民
是不是也是种族清洗?