[新闻] Honda推出了仅供租赁的电动车Clarity EV

楼主: Scape (non)   2017-06-12 15:17:42
看不懂本田在耍什么把戏
搞一辆续航力只有89 miles的电动车,月租要$269 (美金)
(本田中文介绍:http://cn.automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/clarity-electric )
这种续航力还好意思拿出来?
这种续航力跟价格比起对手一点竞争力也没有
就算是定位在短距离通勤车也太贵、续航力太短
比起真正的电动车续航力根本不在同一个等级
这些传统车厂的最大问题就是想把燃油车引擎油箱拆了换装上马达电池来做电动车
结果做出来的电动车续航力不好、效能不好,连带打坏了消费者心中对于电动车的形象
就不能好好针对电池以及马达从底盘好好设计一辆电动车吗?
急着拿出这种半成品出来
让人感觉这些车厂的目的是在扼杀电动车跟自己的未来
然后就有借口说消费者不接受电动车所以我们不做了
这是因为你们做出了一辆烂车啊!!!
Electrek甚至说本田推出这种电动车近似于"无耻"
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance car.
先不说今年下半年要开始交车的Model 3续航力多了一倍有余
市面上的Leaf、Bolt、Zoe、中国境内一堆电动车续航力都比这多的多
本田推出这种车不晓得在想什么,对得起本质迷吗?
原文连结:
https://goo.gl/n2MCv4
原文内容:
Honda Clarity EV details: 89-mile range, lease only, $269/mo, available
August/September (DOA?)
Honda held a test drive event this weekend for the all-electric version
of their Clarity vehicle platform, and we learned answers to several of
the hanging questions about the vehicle.
The range, which we recently reported would be around 80 miles, will
actually be a bit higher-than-expected at 89 miles. The car also comes
with DC charging standard. This isn’t so bad compared to many other EVs
on the market, but in a world where the Bolt EV and Model 3 exist, this
range spec is starting to look a little dated. Even worse, the price is
higher than other “near-100-mile” EVs, with a factory lease price of
$269/mo, $1,999 down (including first month’s payment), though a very
generous 20,000 miles per year.
The Clarity EV will be available in August or September, and only as a
compliance vehicle in California and Oregon. With a price/feature
package like this, though, it might be dead on arrival, especially
compared to what else is available these days. Check below the break for
why.
The Clarity EV is capable of level 1, 2 and 3 charging. On level 1, a
standard 120v outlet, a full battery charge will take about 19 hours. On
level 2, which is the recommended home charging mode, a full charge will
take about 3 hours. On level 3 DC charging, you’ll be able to reach 80%
in about 30 minutes.
The battery is in the rear of the car, taking up room which would
otherwise be extra trunk space. There is a lot of empty space under the
hood, belying the fact that this is a car which shares a platform with
other drive configurations, and wasn’t designed around being
all-electric (else they could have several more cubic feet of storage
space in a “frunk”, had Honda designed the car around that idea).
Battery kWh was not specified, but from the charging times above it
sounds like it’s about 20-22kWh – which also means the DC charging
happens at only around ~40kW. This is better than nothing and it’s good
that DC charging is included, but the rate seems low when compared to the
Hyundai Ioniq EV‘s 100kW capability (albeit only for about 15 minutes
before the battery fills up too much and needs to throttle charging
rates).
For their part, Honda is happy with the range number because they wanted
to “differentiate” the EV from other vehicles in the Clarity line. The
EV version of the car is “a niche car for a niche customer.” For those
customers who do not need long range, they wanted to offer a battery
which is properly sized for their needs. While I’m sympathetic to this
reasoning as I often would like the option to buy smaller battery packs
in exchange for money/weight savings on the vehicle (I’m looking at you,
Tesla…a Roadster with ~300lbs less battery weight would handle so well…
), Honda’s price is too high to make up for their relatively low-spec
car.
For comparison, Hyundai’s recent “multiple drivetrains on one platform
” entry, the Ioniq EV, offers more range, the most efficient car ever
sold in the US (Ioniq EV gets 136mpge vs. Clarity’s 114mpge), faster DC
quick charging, and an “unlimited subscription package” which includes
unlimited mileage, free maintenance even on wear items (tires etc.), no
license fees, and even a reimbursement for charging costs. All of this
is available at $275/mo, just $6/mo more than the Clarity but with what
seems like a much better value proposition. Even the Clarity’s generous
20k miles/yr doesn’t compete with the Hyundai’s unlimited mileage.
The Bolt EV, which has a higher lease price than both, also seems to
offer a better package for the price. Factory lease deals are $329/mo
but some dealers will beat that, and for that price you get a much more
capable car, purpose-built EV which is speedy and fun – we loved it in
our review. And given the many other EVs with ~90 mile range which are
available for purchase or with significantly better lease deals than the
Clarity, all of which have been on the roads for years, Honda seems late
to the party with this one.
It is also troubling to offer a car as “a niche car for a niche customer.
” We’ve had plenty of experience with car companies refusing to sell
EVs seriously, either positioning them as geographically-limited “
compliance cars” or with dealerships veering customers away from full
EVs.
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance
car, as it will only be available in two states, and only via a lease –
similar to their past effort, the Fit EV, and recalling shades of the GM
EV1 to longtime EV fans (see “Who Killed the Electric Car?” for more on
how GM killed their EV program, took back leased EVs and crushed them,
which then inspired Tesla’s founding). This was a common tactic for
many years among companies who just wanted ZEV credits so they could
continue to sell gas guzzlers in California, but it seemed like the
industry might be starting to move away from that direction with some
more serious, nationwide entrants like the Bolt EV.
So, Honda’s Clarity EV might fill a niche, but it seems like that niche
could be “people buying a car three or four years ago when these specs
might have been seen as average and who don’t mind paying a premium for
some reason.” It’s 2017, Honda. The Bolt, Ioniq and Model 3 exist (or
at least it will by September). You can do better than this.
作者: jason89514 (节省福克斯)   2017-06-12 15:22:00
但上面没提到Clarity 空间是最大的...本田是依据上一代 FIT EV 使用者经验,多数人回馈空间太小,所以在Clarity EV上面以大空间换取续航力长....而且Clarit最初是针对燃料电池设计的,改成EV的话塞不下太多锂电池,加上为了降低售价他们也不想狂塞电池本田大概是想要针对大空间、高配置、低价格、续航够用的用户才出这款Clarity EV吧?毕竟以现在技术来说,要满足日常通勤代步、又要满足偶尔的中长途旅游,续航力给你300-400km以上,消费者又会靠杯空间不够宽敞吧
作者: hondasho (本田)   2017-06-12 15:53:00
http://i.imgur.com/5OEBuOd.jpg 先去把 Honda 接下来的愿景看懂,再来酸他有没有心研发电动车= =https://goo.gl/XQQTPS 本质迷都没在崩溃了,您在崩什么?XD
作者: shun01 (老胡做13年,青沼瞬活14年)   2017-06-12 15:54:00
难道电池生锈了
作者: jason89514 (节省福克斯)   2017-06-12 15:55:00
反正简单的说本田是考量到正常使用状况下所推出EV然后让电动汽车老老实实扮演通勤的角色而已真的要开中长途再准备一辆燃油车或混和动力车不过这个点子目前只适用于美国吧,其他地区还要慢慢推
作者: hondasho (本田)   2017-06-12 15:58:00
我认为对车厂来说,电动车还没到可以完全普及化的状态,
作者: jason89514 (节省福克斯)   2017-06-12 15:58:00
其实也没什么好嘘的,就是研发思维与一般电动车不同本田只是要让消费者接受事实:现在电动车只适合通勤还没办法完全取代传统燃油车
作者: hondasho (本田)   2017-06-12 15:59:00
目前这只是算宣誓意味和资料蒐集阶段的产品,顺便分担 CLARITY 平台的成本
作者: sdiaa (桂纶镁)   2017-06-12 16:18:00
现有车厂不推出电动车就准备关门惹...
作者: Killercat (杀人猫™)   2017-06-12 16:25:00
老实讲,这种做法满务实的。观感怎样你已经表达出来了但是对于一天就是要通勤那么远的人来讲(60km) 算是一个吸引力还ok的方案但是订价订成35k 我只能说本田脑子被驴踢了 XDDDD其实只要是多方测试可能的business model 我都很看好反正他搞烂了还有Tesla 还有Nissan 烂自然会被收掉
作者: CoachKuester (我就是爱冰人)   2017-06-12 16:40:00
在北加sf周边的话,89mile是有市场,从南湾到博客莱之间的通勤距离差不多

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