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懒人包:
1.Andre Dawson：咱有够衰，跟一堆吃药的竞争名人堂资格。当我在1996年退休时，人们
说我将会进入名人堂，生涯21个大联盟球季缴出400轰、300盗，在当时，这样的数字告
诉我会进名人堂，除了Dave Kingman外，其他达成400轰的人都进入名人堂。但是咧...
我花了8年才挤进名人堂。
2.当Andre Dawson退休时，他的生涯数据名列前茅，全垒打数在大联盟127年历史下排
行22名，他的多项数据皆排进20几名。结果接下来短短16年，就有16位选手抄超车。
他的排名一路溜滑梯，是他太弱，还是药药太强？
3.Andre Dawson：俺真的怒了！搞到最后，一次投票，两个联盟加起来竟然有20-30位人
选在竞争名人堂。我去年才和Frank Robinson谈到这档事，他也气炸啦！不是我们想教
训别人，实在是因为太不像样囉！
4.Andre Dawson：如果这些药虫真的被那些有投票权的记者放进来？这我无法想像，要我
张开双臂欢迎这些吃药的兄弟进来古伯镇？WTH....今年那些杰出的虫虫得到不少票，那
些投票者或许将给我一课难题也说不定....
When Andre Dawson retired, his place in baseball history was secure.
He was generally considered a first-ballot Hall of Famer by writers active in
the game, but by the time his name came up for election five years later, his
sparkling career had been forgotten.
So what happened between September 1996 and December 2001 that caused him to
get only 45 percent of the vote when it was announced in January 2002?
"Performance-enhancing drugs is what happened," Dawson said from his home in
Miami. "All I heard near the end of my career is that I was a Hall of Famer,
but when it was my chance on the ballot it seems like I was not considered
worthy anymore."
When Dawson retired after the 1996 season, he was 23rd on the all-time home
run list with 438, a number at the time considered an absolute lock for the
Hall of Fame, especially considering his all-around game that included eight
Gold Gloves and 300-plus stolen bases.
Every player ahead of him on the home run list — except for Dave Kingman —
was in the Hall of Fame, or would be in short order.
"For many years, 400 home runs was the barrier for the Hall of Fame," Dawson
said. "You crossed that line and you had a very good chance to get in."
What happened the next 16 years is shocking historically. It took 127 years
of baseball for 22 men to hit more than 438 home runs, but in the last 16
years, 16 men have passed Dawson on the home run list, increasing the number
of players ahead of him by 70 percent.
The time elapsed in baseball history was 11 percent.
In extra-base hits, Dawson dropped from 18th (1,039) to 26th, increasing the
number of players ahead of him by 44 percent.
In total bases, he fell from 21st (4,787) to 27th, increasing the number of
players ahead of him by 29 percent.
In RBI, he dropped from 24th (1,591) to 36th, increasing the number of
players ahead of him by 50 percent.
In hits, Dawson fell from 39th (2,774) to 50th, increasing the number of
players ahead of him by 28 percent.
These are enormous percentage leaps in a fraction of the time it took for
those lists to be formed.
"The thing is, I played a long time in the majors (21 years), and a couple
more in the minors, and I didn't play with that many Hall of Fame-caliber
ballplayers," Dawson said. "I didn't play against more than a few Hall of
Famers.
"You don't just suddenly have 20 or 30 Hall of Famers in both leagues at one
time, but that's what the numbers said. That's what all the commentators said.
"You knew something was wrong when numbers were getting obliterated in a
short period. That many great players don't just show up like that. It just
doesn't happen. You don't see 40 Hall of Famers show up out of nowhere in
five years."
Dawson went from being considered among the truly elite sluggers in baseball
history in 1996, a tremendous all-around player often compared to his heroes,
Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, to just another player in 2001.
"I don't let bitterness and anger weigh me down, but I won't pretend it
doesn't offend me," Dawson said. "I was talking to Frank Robinson about it
last year, and he's really angry about what's been done to the history of the
game.
"The guys who took steroids disrespected the game, and disrespected the
history. Our history relies so much on the numbers, and the numbers have been
destroyed."
So you can't envision yourself in Cooperstown, sharing the stage with known
cheaters?
"I can't see it," Dawson said. "I can't imagine them holding their head high
with pride, thinking they accomplished something great. No, I wouldn't want
to be up there with them. I don't think it's right for the game."
But there are many writers today who are voting for the steroids players, and
trying to encourage their brethren to do the same, saying you can't ignore
this time period in the game.
Some are voting for them all because they simply don't know what else to do.
"That's a cop-out," Dawson said. "It's the writers' job to decide who belongs
in the Hall of Fame, but they don't want to punish guys who cheated? The
all-time hits leader (Pete Rose) isn't in the Hall, and I know it's not the
writers' call on that, but Pete has been punished.
"You telling me you don't have the heart to punish those guys?"
Dawson says he isn't bitter, but he's got every right to be. His career
numbers were swallowed up by the steroid era, and it took him nine years of
agony to finally take his rightful place in Cooperstown among the greatest
who have ever played the game.
Instead of first ballot, he garnered only 45 percent of the vote in his first
year, and it was another eight elections before he was granted entrance to
Cooperstown.
"The consequences were big for me, and a lot of guys were forgotten," Dawson
said. "Now, the guys who did (PEDs) have to face the consequences.
"They made millions and millions and millions of dollars doing that, and they
put up huge numbers, numbers nobody has ever seen before. What they did was
wrong and it was unfair to the other players in the game. They weren't on a
level playing field, and they shortened other players' careers and took money
out of other players' pockets.
"They knew what they were doing. If they weren't cheating, why did so many
guys try to hide it and lie about it? If it was all so great for baseball,
why don't they all just tell the truth about it?"
Dawson's already in the Hall of Fame, so he says his anger isn't about what
happened to him. His concern is for the numbers that are so crucial to the
romance that surrounds baseball, which has had its heart broken by steroids.
"I'm mad about what they did to the game. I think of Hank (Aaron) and Willie
and Mickey, it makes me really angry," Dawson said. "We worked really, really
hard to get to a certain level. They did it with drugs.
"I love the game, and I hate to see the stain on our game. It makes me sad,
but I don't think we can pretend it didn't happen by voting all those guys
in. That would be the ultimate stain."

BB爷不吃药还是比他猛

另外这种事情去抱怨记者比较实在

Hank Aaron也是药虫啊，科科

可怜的老头

总之就是老鸟拉正菜鸟，但是士官长打药就当成不知道囉。

老鸟就没有吃药吗 呵呵

BB不吃药搞不好2000年以前就废光准备退休了

BB不吃药的前提下，水准就差不多和dawson一样

如果他没吃那他就呛的很合理啊 不然他扎实的成绩看起来

最糟的是BB吃药还敢大声...只能说无药可救

BB在06~07药检时代40岁以后的OPS+是162

Andre Dawson生涯最好的一年 OPS+是157

没有药效撑住他的身体和训练量，BB老早废了...

真要提Dale Murphy..多两年拼400轰 结果398 然后陪榜15年

吃药是在吃补喔 没吃身体会废 所以应该全民一起吃?

禁药吃多是会搞坏身体 而不是健身好吗

BB吃的药是仙豆吗

停止用药后会像从来没吃过药一样？

投手对球加工也是作弊，不但名人堂还总冠军赛贵宾咧

Don’t vote ballmachining pitcher in Hall

所以禁药也可以让人选球变好? 守备判断准? 禁药也太神了

挥棒速度快，对选球应该有些帮助吧!?

有人脑袋和Dawson差不多，真可怜

最好bb没吃会跟dawson差不多 年轻时就甩他好几条街了只是吃了把他们两个差距拉到银河系

键盘运动科学专家是一个全球性的现象，从BBWAA到PTT皆然。

选球不见得需要变好 投手自己会闪你

Bonds有没有吃药 看看他异常的生涯曲线就知道了 2000~04

(36~40岁)这段夸张的peak 比他之前在29岁的生涯年(46HR

123RBIs双冠王)还高出许多 要护航Bonds也要有个限度(虽

然我也认同 如果不吃药 Bonds也会是个生涯500轰500盗 必

进名人堂的伟大球员)

邦姬只是突然开窍 把球打远一点点就可以慢慢跑(误

推Levi大大

绿和平是吃过？你又知道没药吃撑不住？

LUGO要是吃药早就50-50了

XDDDDDDD

Hank Aaron生涯最好的五个打击球季 有三个是在35岁以后

Randy Johnson 35~40岁大进化 难道也是药的功劳?

Randy Johnson年轻时是因为空有球速 但控球不佳 这个问

题改善之后 从1993年开始(扣除受伤)成绩就已经很杀 并不

是35~40岁才大进化的 三振数又再提升一个层次 恐怕是换

到国联(没有DH)的关系 Hank Aaron是一直很平稳 并不像Bonds 在 SLG和OPS 突然爆增 根本变成不一样的两个人

怎么没人说汉克阿伦的成绩是靠吸安得来的

那怎么不说bonds是愈老打击技巧愈好 才能干那么多轰?

这已经是一个两派都有成见无法说服彼此的问题了

这问题应该需要科学能把禁药对人体影响解释后才有个共识

所以Nolan Ryan42岁后才生涯whip最低,也是吃药囉?