Re: [新闻] 先叫先降?网友质疑长荣航班呼叫Mayday

楼主: cppwu (肩膀酸痛 ..)   2015-08-10 01:10:03
我国虽然不是 ICAO 正式成员, 但运作应该和 ICAO 规范相去不远,
所以理论上参考其他飞安单位针对国际民航组织 ICAO Annex 6 有关燃料管理
和 ATC 沟通讯息用词的规范, 应该有其价值.
参考资料: 欧洲航空安全局(EASA) 适航指令 2013-12
Source:
1. http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2013-12
2. http://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/SIB_201312_
InFlight_Fuel_Management__Phraseology_to_ATC.pdf/SIB_2013-12_1
短网址: http://tinyurl.com/nht5f5j
2013-12 : In-Flight Fuel Management –
Phraseology for Fuel Related Messages to Air Traffic Control (ATC)
2013-12: 飞航燃料管理 - 对 ATC 使用的燃料相关讯息之用词
Description: Through state letter 10/2012, ICAO announced the adopted
amendment 36 to Annex 6 Part I effective as of 15 November
2012. This amendment introduced, among others, new
standards for in-flight fuel management and a new fuel related
phraseology.
根据 state latter 10/2012, ICAO 公告 Annex 6 Part I 修正案 36
从 2012 年 11 月 15 日正式生效. 本修正案导入
飞航中燃料管理和燃料相关用语的新标准
The relevant standards are the following:
相关标准如下:
4.3.7 In-flight fuel management
飞航燃料管理
4.3.7.1 An operator shall establish policies and
procedures, approved by the State of the Operator, to
ensure that in-flight fuel checks and fuel management are
performed.
操作员应该要建立由所属国核准的相关政策和程序,
以确保飞航中的燃料检查和燃料管理有确实执行.
4.3.7.2 The pilot-in-command shall continually ensure that
the amount of usable fuel remaining on board is not less
than the fuel required to proceed to an aerodrome where a
safe landing can be made with the planned final reserve
fuel remaining upon landing.
机长(PIC)需持续确保机上可用油量, 不低于可安全降落机场,
且落地后仍保有计画中的最终保留油量.
4.3.7.2.1 The pilot-in-command shall request delay
information from ATC when unanticipated circumstances
may result in landing at the destination aerodrome with
less than the final reserve fuel plus any fuel required to
proceed to an alternate aerodrome or the fuel required to
operate to an isolated aerodrome.
当不可预料之情况, 导致降落在目的地机场时, 油量会低于
1) 计画最终保留油量, 加上
2) 飞往备降场 或 航向另一机场(注) 之油量
之总和时, 机长应由 ATC 取得延迟资讯.
(注: isolated aerodrome)
4.3.7.2.2 The pilot-in-command shall advise ATC of a
minimum fuel state by declaring MINIMUM FUEL when,
having committed to land at a specific aerodrome, the pilot
calculates that any change to the existing clearance to that
aerodrome may result in landing with less than planned
final reserve fuel.
当最低油量状态成立时, 机长应对 ATC 宣告 MINIMUM FUEL.
最低油量条件为, 当已经决定降落在某特定机场时,
若目前所得之降落许可发生任何变化, 导致降落时油量低于计画最终保留油量.
Note 1.— The declaration of MINIMUM FUEL informs ATC
that all planned aerodrome options have been reduced to
a specific aerodrome of intended landing and any change
to the existing clearance may result in landing with less
than planned final reserve fuel. This is not an emergency
situation but an indication that an emergency situation is
possible should any additional delay occur.
宣告 MINIMUM FUEL 告知 ATC 所有的计画降落机场选项,
会缩减至单一特定机场, 且对既有降落许可的任何改变,
都将导致降落时的油量低于计画最终保留油量.
这并不是一个紧急状态, 但预告了当有任何延迟发生, 就可能发生紧急状态.
Note 2.— Guidance on declaring minimum fuel is
contained in the Fuel Planning Manual (Doc 9976). It
should be noted that Pilots should not expect any form of
priority handling as a result of a “MINIMUM FUEL”
declaration. ATC will, however, advise the flight crew of
any additional expected delays as well as coordinate when
transferring control of the aeroplane to ensure other ATC
units are aware of the flight’s fuel state.
在燃油计画手册(Doc 9976)中有针对最低油量的指导.
飞行员应注意宣告 MINIMUM FUEL, 并不代表一定会得到优先处理.
ATC 将会告知飞航组员有关于任何可能发生的延迟, 并协调当控制权转至
机场时, 其他 ATC 单位也会注意到该航班的油量状态.
4.3.7.2.3 The pilot-in-command shall declare a situation of
fuel emergency by broadcasting MAYDAY, MAYDAY,
MAYDAY, FUEL, when the calculated usable fuel
predicted to be available upon landing at the nearest
aerodrome where a safe landing can be made is less than
the planned final reserve fuel.
当降落在可安全降落的最近机场时, 计算出的预期可用油量
会低于计画最低保留油量时, 机长应透过广播 MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY, FUEL
宣告燃油紧急状态
Note 1.— The planned final reserve fuel refers to the value
calculated in 4.3.6.3 e) 1) or 2) and is the minimum amount
of fuel required upon landing at any aerodrome.
计画最低保留油量请参考 4.3.6.3 e 1) 或 2) 定义.
且为降落在任何机场的最低所需油量.
Note 2.— The words “MAYDAY FUEL” describe the nature
of the distress conditions as required in Annex 10, Volume
II, 5.3.2.1, b) 3.
"MAYDAY FUEL" 陈述了由 Annex 10, Volume II 5.3.2.1 b)3 定义的危急状态.
Note 3.— Guidance on procedures for in-flight fuel
management are contained in the Fuel Planning Manual
(Doc 9976).
在燃油计画手册(Doc 9976)包含了针对飞航燃油管理的指导.
/* end of reference */
一般 final reserve fuel 应该是 30min 的油量.
以 MAYDAY FUEL 的发生条件来看, 除非电脑计算有问题,
否则根本不会有在降落后, MAYDAY 条件解除的可能.
因为 MAYDAY FUEL 就已经阐明
"当降落最近机场后, 预期所剩油量将低于 30min 油量"
作者: Attache (Attache)   2015-08-10 01:12:00
最后一句话突破盲点了?
作者: ttnakafzcm (燦's)   2015-08-10 01:13:00
这解释我懂了 油量是不可逆的自然不存在取消之可能?
作者: suzukihiro (慢慢的等待)   2015-08-10 01:13:00
简单就是说你都喊了 代表油不够怎么落地后油就变多了取消
楼主: cppwu (肩膀酸痛 ..)   2015-08-10 01:22:00
这起状况应该就是 MINIMUM FUEL .. 航向 KHH 有可能导致MAYDAY FUEL
作者: cityport (马路不平避震故障)   2015-08-10 02:01:00
一种诈胡的概念
作者: ahpc82 (Ping)   2015-08-10 02:10:00
Bingo fuel?
作者: LLuchia (囧)   2015-08-10 02:11:00
所以BR189太早喊了,如果多绕几圈就可以顺理成章说油不够
作者: suzukihiro (慢慢的等待)   2015-08-10 02:12:00
楼上不管有无早晚喊 重点在后面怎么可能取消 XD
作者: myself3217 (Cheng)   2015-08-10 04:58:00
我比较好奇这件事飞安会到底能不能拔黑盒子去听驾驶舱内到底在搞什么鬼
作者: ppkscyc (ice)   2015-08-10 05:09:00
问题是喊之前TPE不收 那他还算最近的可降落机场吗?喊之前的最近机场应该要用别的算 是喊了后才变TPE的所以新闻里面的"喊MAYDAY是降落TPE的必要程序"还满合理的
作者: cityport (马路不平避震故障)   2015-08-10 05:32:00
你在说什么? 他飞HKG或OKA才可以喊,闯TPE是没资格的他喊只是为了逼TPE给他降,事实上油是够去OKA的
作者: ppkscyc (ice)   2015-08-10 06:08:00
逻辑是 TPE不收>>(打算)改飞其他机场>>新航程达到MAYDAY的条件>>来喊吧>>TPE肯收了>>降TPE条件又消除了 不过没差是一个喊了会没事 不喊会有事的概念...
作者: Electronics (ee心寒)   2015-08-10 06:19:00
那么爱盘旋烧油却又怪东怪西,第一时间去HKG、OKA会飞不到?还是公司有浅规则,机上人命几百条是完全无视嘛?
作者: vincentwei (vincentwei)   2015-08-10 06:20:00
CAA如果不好好办这案子的话,以后会更乱。
作者: cityport (马路不平避震故障)   2015-08-10 06:44:00
有人还是没看懂,他没飞去KHH或OKA为何要喊要喊,也是喊KHH/OKA/HKG,绝对不是喊TPE
作者: whichway (我爱指甲油:))   2015-08-10 06:52:00
http://i.imgur.com/Jgb1gKv.jpg BR189那天的情况是这样子吗?TSA试了两次落不下去,在桃园上空盘旋准备再降TSA,这时候TPE因机坪已满不开放转降,BR189还是持续在桃园上空盘旋,然后就是后面发生的事
作者: chanlee06 (安英云)   2015-08-10 06:57:00
公司总经理会飞就是不一样!
作者: whichway (我爱指甲油:))   2015-08-10 06:58:00
为什么要一直盘旋,是等著排队降TSA?还是? 为什么不能先去转降KHH、OKA、HKG,是有什么难言之隐?张国炜不是董事长吗?还是现任长荣航空总经理也有机师执照?郑传义
作者: taka024 (成功之路多么遥远)   2015-08-10 07:48:00
Cityport! 请去读书再来讨论好吗?实在看不下去了!
作者: cityport (马路不平避震故障)   2015-08-10 07:54:00
公关好凶,我好怕
作者: taka024 (成功之路多么遥远)   2015-08-10 07:56:00
我不是公关!是你专业度不足,别乱战别人
作者: immortalqq (大牛)   2015-08-10 07:57:00
错过去琉球的时间是事实 为何错过 BR必须说清楚 不过我想最后也只会说是教官的问题 皇城之内不能伤和气啊要是CI出这问题 八卦早满天飞
作者: coolfish1103 (Fish)   2015-08-10 10:28:00
看不下去的是我们吧... 扯的太好笑了。
作者: cityport (马路不平避震故障)   2015-08-10 11:13:00
幸好本人不在呆丸,不怕公关查水表长脓的行为大家都看不下去了,护卫队的行为更是难看我的论点跟板众有差很多吗? 原来板众专业度都不足大概就BR不会错的人最专业了
作者: YukiPhoenix (雪凤)   2015-08-10 11:30:00
大MAYDAY世代 以后先喊先赢
作者: iyyaaa (我才不告诉逆雷~)   2015-08-10 13:56:00
ta读过什么书,分享一下,愿闻其详
作者: isaacc (小元宅爸)   2015-08-10 13:56:00
因为落地后获得奖励油料,所以就可以取消五月天啦!
作者: iyyaaa (我才不告诉逆雷~)   2015-08-10 13:57:00
既然请别人去读书想必也读了不少呢
作者: abyssa1 (abyssa1)   2015-08-10 14:29:00
ya mayday好好笑
作者: icemoca (跳跳虎)   2015-08-10 17:37:00
落地后获得奖励油料XD
作者: polyandry (我的粉失页)   2015-08-10 18:05:00
cityport你得到他了,诈胡无误啊>

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