[心得] 暁婷小分析(更新)

楼主: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 13:39:47
This analysis follows the previous theoretical discourse on the analysis
discussing the character Siyao, with the character Xiaoting as the focus. The
wavering character setting of Xiaoting featured in Set, especially in the
past few days, has caused quite a few disputes online. This analysis argues
that Xiaoting has, from the perspective of psychoanalysis, undergone a
subjectification that eventually leads her to adopt a pervert gesture toward
the other, in other words, directly posit herself as the object of jouissance
of the other.
Before I begin the analysis, however, there are two clarifications I would
like to make. 1) psychoanalysis is a theoretical discourse that is
explanatory instead of argumentative, least universal. The charges that
psychoanalysis is an all inclusive tool of explanation ignore that fact that
all theoretical discourses endeavor to explain and understand the aspects of
human beings and the world one way or another. 2) I have written on the
unreliability of the multiple narratives of Taiwanese local melodrama and
especially emphasized the subversiveness of Set’s strategy of shooting and
casting at the same time. The introduction of performance theories before the
character analysis comes with specific intention: to remind the readers that
my analysis remains limited to the episodes cast so far and the analysis by
no means purports to build a consistent discourse on a character that is by
the nature of the genre shifting all the time. Any attempt to pinpoint the
character as such is to compromise the subversive elements of local melodrama.
A pervert subject may sound badly, a consequence of common misusage of the
term. In the theoretical framework of Lacan/Zizek, a pervert refers to a
subject who claims direct access to the other and the other’s jouissance by
positing him/herself as the object of jouissance. The term jouissance, in
simplified words, means pleasure in pain. In an ordinary subject-other
relationship an object mediates between the subject and the other, as the
other and its desire is both desirable and terrifying. (Please refer to my
previous analysis on the maternal other, and consult castration complex
online.) A pervert deposits him/herself as the object of the other’s desire,
jouissance. Jouissance, in simplified words, means pleasure in pain. Hence
the pervert puts him/herself in a pleasurably painful situation to fulfill
the other’s desire and by doing so to fulfill his or her own sense of
subjectivity. The psychoanalytic subject, it must be pointed out,
fundamentally lacks. During the subject formation the infant firstly cedes
its own love object, and then the infant cedes the maternal other in favor of
the symbolic father. The lacking subject forever mulls over the other’s
desire and needs a love object, which due to the nature of ceding, is both
painful both retrospectively pleasurable.
The above theoretical framework explains Xiaoting’s irrational acts to
follow Siyao’s demand to marry only to shortly regret. Similar situations
occur again and in recent episodes, further demonstrating that Xiaoting, in
the face of the symbolic order represented by the two families and her real
other, Syiao, in a sense enjoys jouissance.
Again, the above analysis does not try to exclude any other explanation, let
alone to provide a consistent rationalization.
作者: wjr2937 (挂居)   2014-06-18 13:42:00
头推??
作者: glovech (loe)   2014-06-18 13:42:00
崩溃 怎么办 看不懂
作者: threesister (3姐妹)   2014-06-18 13:45:00
一定是我打开ptt的方式不对XD
作者: LoveJxJ (JJ)   2014-06-18 13:46:00
大家...我现在在哪...?
作者: jalin0803 (我就是个神经病)   2014-06-18 13:46:00
英文阿(眼神死)
作者: sphinx1031 (正妹的眼光通常是歪的)   2014-06-18 13:48:00
又英文阿....先pass
作者: rabbitdo (兔仔)   2014-06-18 13:48:00
我英文不好啦…
作者: stoller1209 (Stoller)   2014-06-18 13:49:00
愣呆中.....不懂还是推
作者: jpnice   2014-06-18 13:53:00
先推再努力!
作者: zjune   2014-06-18 13:53:00
con大文采风流、分析精彩,让人看得神清气爽、突破盲肠,来我来给你个推
作者: Roselle44   2014-06-18 13:59:00
求野生翻译君
作者: mis626221 (灰蓝色)   2014-06-18 14:01:00
大家好有才啊!我看不懂~
作者: trueblue (Flung Out Of Space)   2014-06-18 14:03:00
有比上一篇好理解,但要加入讨论就还是让专业的来吧!XD
作者: reneeeeee   2014-06-18 14:03:00
也以为是打开ptt的方式不对XD
作者: blacksea (一起到老)   2014-06-18 14:05:00
赶快推~不然人家会说你看不懂!
作者: lvgecg123 (徐哈哈)   2014-06-18 14:07:00
语言阿(茶
作者: sucloud   2014-06-18 14:15:00
英文?哈哈哈哈哈...
作者: jwency0105 (張小允)   2014-06-18 14:22:00
@@一定是我打开ptt的方式不对XD
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 14:42:00
请板大来翻译好惹
作者: skyairo2 (air)   2014-06-18 14:44:00
这是要我们看瑶婷也要认真学英文吗?有请Avi老师 XD
作者: Luke74 (Luke74)   2014-06-18 15:03:00
一定是打开的方式不对!!xd
作者: dotark (阿do)   2014-06-18 15:10:00
这啥....我看到英文字母阿崩溃
作者: javapie (盲目与耳背)   2014-06-18 15:13:00
抓到高中生又上课偷推文 XD
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 15:16:00
我猜原po比较喜欢思瑶...吗?这篇比较好懂,原po已经白话很多而且帮忙换句话说了
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:19:00
自毁自虐来履行对方的欲望吗,嗯....
作者: P636516 (P636516)   2014-06-18 15:23:00
只能推
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:25:00
我赞成自毁部份,但我总觉得成因更复杂
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 15:26:00
吼 . . 板大带入个人观感囉..XDD
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:27:00
我一直想找幼时濒死经验影响的文献
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 15:29:00
荔枝你多想了,我只是认为原po分析思瑶更入理且有血肉
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:29:00
我是很想翻译方便讨论,但用手机很难搞
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 15:30:00
板大西类啦.. 我也是这么觉得!
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 15:31:00
简单来说就是晓婷痛并快乐着的顺从思瑶的爱吗?推版大 可能思瑶的角色比较立体 对她的分析都相对的清晰丰富
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 15:34:00
以我自己读完后的理解,就是超级抖M我觉得瑶婷都很立体,只是思瑶比较外显而已
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 15:36:00
martyr跟pervert有什么不一样吗?
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:05:00
pervert的原因粗浅说就是未分化,讲得更残忍一点(很不想..)晓婷的自我就是"empty me/self",他不是爱到没自己,而是本来就没自己(再次强调是比较武断的说法,我认为他没那么简单)。所以晓婷的自毁是结果而非模式(pattern),如果客体所欲也是晓婷所欲,结果可以是皆大欢喜,而不会是自毁
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 16:12:00
谢谢版大解释 就是说pervert的爱是像水那样没自己的型态对方的爱会成为容器塑造出她的爱的型吗?
作者: kenzierj (No Regrets)   2014-06-18 16:13:00
终于等到了~推
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:13:00
这次写的比较直白,可惜我的水平只能意会不能言传QQ...
作者: perle01 (perle)   2014-06-18 16:15:00
co大 能意会很强了
作者: yazi   2014-06-18 16:19:00
我的水平只能........等版大解释 (泪奔)
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:27:00
想了一下晓婷过往面对自身困境/抉择的态度,好像还蛮容易被牵着走的,不然Jasmine时期的思瑶也不会拐晓婷拐的这么顺手
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:32:00
cow大您这么说就有失公允了,不是都说思瑶被晓婷拐嘛XDDD
楼主: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 16:33:00
现在在上班不方便回应各位 暁婷当然没那么简单 只是我是
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:34:00
版大你XDDD我一直觉得拐是互相的,不过方法路径不一样而已(?
楼主: concious (one day more)   2014-06-18 16:34:00
针对最近的状况来写 其他的我下班后再慢慢回
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:39:00
我没认为他们谁拐谁,他们是无意识主动爱上对方,两人都是而他们爱上的对象正好也爱他们
作者: coleridge (柯~荔枝!)   2014-06-18 16:42:00
the fulfillment comes straight from her own emptiness towards the desire of the love object, that's to say, she might be an attachment of her own desire.
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 16:48:00
版大所言甚是,我说的互拐就是两者不自觉的发散相互吸引的特质,拐只是比较戏谑的说词啦XDD不过38集国际礼仪说那不是拐我不太相信(?)
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 16:54:00
不知道思瑶回家之后有没有觉得自己中猴齁(...肯定没有)
作者: trueblue (Flung Out Of Space)   2014-06-18 16:55:00
当时觉得中猴的应该是晓婷吧!
作者: lts0716   2014-06-18 17:21:00
我认为一昧隐忍自己承受精神暴力本身就是一种自毁的行为另外,我认为晓婷并非没有自我,而是她从来没有面对自我,只是一直把自我交出去
作者: a656401 (isme)   2014-06-18 18:33:00
一定是我打开方式不对!怎么拢夸某?谁来翻译啊
作者: iWhat (莫名其妙)   2014-06-18 18:40:00
快点推~不然人家会说你看不懂 XDDD 娘子快来读英文XDD
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-18 19:53:00
对精神分析一窍不通的我,没办法作有建设性的探讨(死不过我觉得交出自我是晓婷的求生方式,也是避免自毁的措施扣掉对爱情绝不割让这点,其实晓婷自己人生中的诸多大小事都是交由他人主宰的,晓婷也很惯于接受,没太多别扭(虽说冲击的当下反弹是有的,但是这么容易被开导...)也因为这个特性,导致天公伯超爱铳康她个性使然,环伺在晓婷身边的各类事件都能很精彩她的配合也可以让天公伯跳过她只管外部要素而晓婷人生中最能彰显自我的那段岁月就是一心一意想杀掉伟哲并且想随思瑶而去的时期这也是晓婷自毁倾向最强烈最外显的时刻....这回非洲意外在外部强力介入下,晓婷终于没有重蹈覆辙某种层面上也是靠交出自我来换取延续生命的时间这次让自己成为Pervert卡进一段两难的婚姻,也是一样意思否则往极端的方向走,晓婷非常有成为恐怖情人的资质结婚当晚跑去堵思瑶还算是最轻微的病态表现了最坏可能就是杀了思瑶再自杀这种崩坏结局现在的晓婷尽管看起来很分裂,但我想还不到歪的地步只要晓婷能够跳脱既有的生存模式并且健康的寻求解套这个中二之乱才能有个真真正正的结束以上只是个人浅见啦,就看接下来天公伯要怎么铳康了(摊手
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 20:21:00
就算是所谓恐怖情人,晓婷怎样都不可能杀自己爱的人因为他的负向力量只会向内不会向外,最多杀自己
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:15:00
啊~又英文..虽然很白话了..看呒透啦XD若以享乐原则(pleasure principle)为引,确实能解说何以Young Adulthood阶段的晓婷,尽是"主我(the id)"本色,要到现在才有"社会化"现象..亦或是愿意被社会化
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 21:32:00
pleasure principle?
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:33:00
还有 我认为晓婷大概是戏里最不需要同脸人剧情的角色Persona :从思婷死讯开始~建廷婚后
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 21:46:00
HIGH大的荣先生终于要出现了吗(期待ing)
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 21:51:00
pleasure principle :越是限制享受,越是逾越,越是快乐板大~我跟荣先生不太熟XD..能不能怎么说: 我认为晓婷是没有完成"自我"(the ego)
作者: esasin (玫瑰色)   2014-06-18 22:00:00
是啊,所以说很残忍的讲法,empty me
作者: HIGHDAY (highday)   2014-06-18 22:04:00
但是她的individuation...却又如此协调..然后 大宝当上心理医师了XD
作者: iWhat (莫名其妙)   2014-06-19 00:16:00
荣先生是荣格吗?? -->装懂 XDDD
楼主: concious (one day more)   2014-06-19 08:32:00
昨晚写写忘记回应co大 妳说的pervert比较是病理学上的我则是指一种被欲力(drive)所推动的模式而已至于昨晚的剧情和让人想杂电视的预告...我想都可以指出暁婷的主体化过程正在成型
作者: cowog (cowog)   2014-06-19 11:40:00
这个co应该是我吧?我只是个班门弄斧的路人不用对我太认真XD昨晚我不想砸电视反而还很开心耶,最少晓婷会想逃了
作者: ciphercindy (林小鸭)   2014-06-19 15:46:00
我打开这篇文章的方式ㄧ定不对!!

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