Re: [片单] 冷硬派侦探片

楼主: tihsllub (no man's land)   2016-12-26 10:28:00
感谢版友们的回复。我用大家提到的关键字neo-noir查了一下,在英文的wikipedia上
的说明如下:(恕原文复制贴上,找不太到中文资料)
Neo-noir (English: New-black; from the Greek neo, new; and the French noir,
black) is a style often seen in modern motion pictures and other forms that
prominently use elements of film noir, but with updated themes, content,
style, visual elements or media that were absent in film noir of the 1940s
and 1950s.
The term film noir (French for "black film") was coined by critic Nino Frank
in 1946, but was rarely used by filmmakers, critics or fans until several
decades later. The classic era of film noir is usually dated to a period
between the early 1940s and the late 1950s. Typically American crime dramas
or psychological thrillers, films noir[a] had a number of common themes and
plot devices, and many distinctive visual elements. Characters were often
conflicted antiheroes, trapped in a difficult situation and making choices
out of desperation or nihilistic moral systems. Visual elements included
low-key lighting, striking use of light and shadow, and unusual camera
placement.
硬要翻译,好像可以把neo-noir翻成“新‧黑色电影”,在noir film中加入了一些
比较现代的主题、风格、和视觉效果。Noir film通常是犯罪片/心理惊悚片,
角色常常是反英雄,被困在艰难的处境中,做出一些绝望、无奈的选择。
电影色调暗、高反差,光影效果突出等。
这样看来,nior / neo nior的影片已经不多了,如果再加上和“侦探”相关,
那必然更加稀少。英文维基“List of neo-noir titles”的条目下有列一些片单,
有些我看过,根本和侦探无关,只是电影的剧情和拍摄风格被归在neo nior类型。
看来好像“冷硬派侦探片”真的比较少见。
作者: chosenone (获选者)   2016-12-26 10:56:00
原PO你要小心 冷硬派不是只有这一型 是乡民讨论偏了现代一堆冷硬派侦探小说 怎么会讲到好像冷硬派已经绝迹
作者: Eric1989528 (EricYeh)   2016-12-26 12:28:00
冷硬派小说很多,冷硬派电影不多啊,这两样不冲突吧?
作者: chosenone (获选者)   2016-12-26 13:45:00
冷硬派推理 侦探片和某些乡民讲的neo-noir又不是同义词要三者交集又要求是一定水准的好片 当然就会觉得难找本文原PO不是就讲了 某些nior/neo noir根本不是侦探片
作者: sunny1991225 (桑妮)   2016-12-26 22:55:00
我倒是想知道楼上所谓的“冷硬但不是noir的侦探电影”有什么例子吗...一般中文中的冷硬其实是从"hardboiled"翻译过来的而hardboiled fiction和noir/neo noir的发展是不可能分开讨论的可以说Neonoir/noir元素不见得蕴含Hardboiled,但hardboiled却一定是Noir有什么hardboiled但不是noir的例子可以举来听听?如果纯粹的Noir film都已经不多了,身为子集的hardboiled film又怎么会多?(换个方式问,如果都已经知道胖子的数量已经不多了,你再问身高"很高的胖子数量有没有很多",又有什么意义?
楼主: tihsllub (no man's land)   2016-12-27 08:31:00
感谢sunny大的说明,让我更了解noir film和hardboiled小说之间的关联

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