[新闻] Nissan将推出不用插头的电动车

楼主: Scape (non)   2016-11-03 15:33:44
Nissan将推出"E-Power"系统的车辆
这套动力系统同样有内燃机、电动马达及电池
但是与油电车不同的是内燃机不会提供动力给轮胎
只是把内燃机当成纯粹帮电池充电的工具,动力部分完全由马达来提供
而电池的部分将会比现在的Leaf来的更小(电池更小又靠纯电驱动,电池寿命会比较短)
所以这是一辆不需要插头的电动车。
个人觉得这套系统是在走回头路了
论效能、噪音、震动比不上纯电动车
燃油车引擎那种给驾驶的直接的回馈感觉也不存在
机构也比目前的电动车跟纯燃油车来的复杂
不太看好这套系统
Nissan还是把Leaf搞好一点吧,续航现在新款式美国环保署公布也才172km
虽说下一代号称会有超过300km的续航力,但要推出后才算数
把资源跟人力分去做另一套新的系统给通勤小车用有点浪费了
倒不如把Leaf做好,甚至拿来发展中大型电动房车或SUV
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While EV enthusiasts are waiting for Nissan to announce its next
generation LEAF, or whatever they will call their upcoming new
electric vehicle with a 60 kWh battery pack, it looks like the
Japanese automaker is now taking a huge and confusing step backward
in electrification by introducing a gas-powered range extender called
‘E-Power’ without a plug?!
Of course, Nissan presented the new product this week as “moving
forward its electrification strategy”, but it looks like it was
designed by the Koch brothers.
The gas-powered range extender is nothing new. BMW has been offering
one in the i3 for quite some time now. They basically make an
over-complicated drivetrain to remove the dreaded “range anxiety”,
but as James May, who recently got rid of his BMW i3 with range
extender in order to go full electric, said: “it’s a form of
cowardice”.
Here’s the full quote from a recent interview:
“What I’ve actually ordered a new car, haven’t I? I’ve got an i3,
but I ordered a new i3, because it has an improved battery. And I’ve
gone for no range extender. I did have that before, but I felt that
was a form of cowardice, so I’ve abandoned that.”
The idea behind a range extender is that unlike a regular hybrid
vehicle, the electric powertrain is always the one powering the
wheels and the gas engine is only recharging the battery. Like the
Chevy Volt, but the vehicle has never been referred to as having a “
range extender” since it’s the only version of the vehicle
available, but the name came about when it was made an option on
vehicles that are also offered in fully electric.
Here are diagrams of a conventional hybrid versus a e-power/range
extender:
Nissan is going a step further backward with the e-power as it looks
like the gas engine is the only way recharge the battery. They are
talking about “eliminating the need for an external charger”. Not
sure where they are going with this, but that’s a gas-powered car.
There’s no other way to say it. Yes, electric motors are generating
the torque, but gas is the only source of energy.
Here's the actual drivetrain going in production right now according
to Nissan:
Details about availability are scarce, but it looks like it will soon
be available in Japan. You can find the press release in full below.
Nissan introduces new electric-motor drivetrain: e-POWER November 2,
2016
Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., today introduced its new drive system called
e-POWER to customers. It marks the first time that e-POWER technology
is available for consumers, marking a significant milestone in the
electrification strategy under Nissan Intelligent Mobility.
e-POWER borrows from the EV technology perfected in the Nissan LEAF,
the best-selling pure electric car in history, with more than 250,000
units sold. Unlike the LEAF, e-POWER adds a small gasoline engine to
charge the high-output battery when necessary, eliminating the need
for an external charger while offering the same high-output.
The Technology of e-POWER
The e-POWER system features full electric-motor drive, meaning that
the wheels are completely driven by the electric motor. The power
from a high-output battery is delivered to the e-POWER’s compact
powertrain comprised of a gasoline engine, power generator, inverter,
and a motor. In conventional hybrid systems, a low-output electric
motor is mated to a gasoline engine to drive the wheels when the
battery is low (or when traveling at high speeds). However, in the
e-POWER system, the gasoline engine is not connected to the wheels;
it simply charges the battery. And unlike a full EV, the power source
originates from the engine and not just the battery. This system
structure generally requires a bigger motor and battery because the
motor is the only direct source to drive wheels. This has made it
hard for the automotive industry to mount the system in compact cars.
However, Nissan has cracked the code and learned how to minimize and
reduce weight, develop more responsive motor control methods and
optimize energy management. As a result, e-POWER uses a smaller
battery than the LEAF, but delivers the same driving experience as a
full EV.
The Benefits of e-POWER
e-POWER delivers massive torque almost instantly, which enhances
drive response and results in smooth acceleration. Also, the system
operates very quietly, much like a full EV. Because e-POWER relies on
the engine much less frequently, its fuel efficiency is comparable to
that of leading conventional hybrids, especially during
around-the-town commutes. The e-POWER system allows you to enjoy all
the benefits of an EV without having to worry about charging the
battery.
Development History
Nissan is actively pursuing a zero-emission, zero-fatality world for
driving through its EV program and autonomous drive technology. To
make this vision a reality, Nissan is developing “Nissan Intelligent
Mobility,” which anchors critical company decisions around how cars
are powered, how cars are driven, and how cars integrate into
society, all while staying focused on creating more enjoyable driving
experiences. e-POWER is another step towards achieving our
zero-emission vision through a new and more efficient electric
powertrain.
In 2006, Nissan experienced a breakthrough in its energy management
technology. Nissan’s engineers were able to reduce the battery
capacity to match its competitors’ hybrid vehicles while still
delivering desirable EV qualities, such as quietness and efficient
energy use. In addition, application of Nissan’s technologies, such
as the integration of a power-generating engine, electric motor drive
for compact car use, strengthening of the powertrain’s rigidity and
improvements in NVH levels, became the foundation of e-POWER and its
implementation in the compact-car segment. Nissan is committed to
developing electric-powered powertrains that use various fuels to
cater to the different requirements of the world’s markets. e-POWER
is but one example of that quest and will strengthen Nissan’s lineup
of electric-powered powertrains. Nissan is also conducting research
and development of the SOFC (Solid Oxide Fuel Cell) fuel-cell
vehicle, and will continue to introduce innovative new products into
various areas and promote the worldwide use of EVs.
作者: LittleID (就是小ID)   2016-11-03 15:35:00
跟把柴油发电机和电池放在一起有几分相似
作者: chun0629 (钧)   2016-11-03 15:47:00
一台EV行李箱放台强制排气发电机不就达成了 87分
作者: ck940560 (しけ)   2016-11-03 15:49:00
这叫做串联式混和动力....
作者: OrzOGC (洞八达人.拖哨天王)   2016-11-03 15:52:00
背台发电机跑的概念?
作者: l257065 (Tiwei)   2016-11-03 15:52:00
这样还是得缴燃料税跟验黑烟吧!?
作者: qazwsx6107 (Green.pn)   2016-11-03 15:58:00
癌董的电动车要起死回生了?
作者: cyc4aa12 (yoooui777)   2016-11-03 16:07:00
有意义吗?用引擎发电再带马达搞不好效率比直接用引擎带车子还低
作者: jagger (87分不能再高了)   2016-11-03 16:07:00
这样做效率更低更耗能
作者: Tosca (hi)   2016-11-03 16:09:00
这不就accord hybrid吗 引擎只是充电用阿
作者: Vincent0312 (Vincent)   2016-11-03 16:10:00
此部车让我想到Top Gear的Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust
作者: dslite (呼呼)   2016-11-03 16:13:00
半台accord hybrid
作者: a9564208 (YOU OUT!!)   2016-11-03 16:17:00
看引擎怎么设计…效率不见得低
作者: gcaa (很难很难....)   2016-11-03 16:21:00
这种车排气量会很小,可以全程使用引擎燃烧效率最好的区间做动,引擎只需要传递稳定的电流即可,虽然是过渡产品但我觉得效率会高于纯EV,毕竟省去了从电厂发电到电池这一段路的损耗
作者: IamBuki (唉就是无聊)   2016-11-03 16:22:00
各种回收机制 不过油电车八成都用toyota那套专利
作者: utap2001 (寻找一个漫长的答案 )   2016-11-03 16:28:00
发电厂的发电效率是最高的 内燃机发电效率低 在转到电池效率更差 这种油耗我猜大概5-8km/l吧
作者: ccc73123   2016-11-03 16:32:00
NISSAN公布的数字是37.2km/L你似乎猜错了
作者: hclstarkid (=你看不到我=)   2016-11-03 16:32:00
这种方式跟载一台柴油发电机在车上有87%像
作者: Tradesque (唯快不破)   2016-11-03 16:33:00
虽然续航不太优但国外Leaf真的卖超好的..
作者: chandler0227 (钱德勒)   2016-11-03 16:59:00
那就是REEV增程式电动车啊 这不是已经非主流好久了
作者: abc801224 (ionmanxp)   2016-11-03 16:59:00
这样经过两次能量转换会比较好?
作者: chandler0227 (钱德勒)   2016-11-03 17:00:00
一台车装两具功率相当(一个引擎发电一个马达当动力)根本不优啊这种做法就是尽量让引擎在高效率区间,还是会比传统内燃机车辆好一些,但不知道为啥又走Hybrid的回头路油电Hybrid专利多到数不完啦 不要以为只有TOYOTA油耗37.2km/L是法规上好看吧 只测一次cycle搞不好大部分都是耗掉原先电池里的电台湾L牌几年前就有把U7改成这种REEV了,真的没多好Accord Hybrid引擎可以直接参与输出跟这台又不同= =
作者: LIONDODO (LION)   2016-11-03 17:17:00
广告词重新写一下感觉就不同了:“不怕没电的电动汽车”“您习惯的用车方式”“新世代的革新科技”
作者: utap2001 (寻找一个漫长的答案 )   2016-11-03 17:33:00
如果我没记错的话 nissan这种就是第一代hybrid 串联式后来就是因为油耗不好转换效率差 才改成toyota的串并联
作者: ck940560 (しけ)   2016-11-03 17:36:00
牛头的PSD是并联啦 没有串并联这种说法
作者: utap2001 (寻找一个漫长的答案 )   2016-11-03 17:51:00
星型齿轮的运作 很多人是定义成串并联
作者: cyc4aa12 (yoooui777)   2016-11-03 18:24:00
现在发现这样跟柴电机车(火车头)一样,不过火车是因为太重了,要用离合器直径要很大,用液体传动(自排)又比较耗油,所以才这样
作者: chandler0227 (钱德勒)   2016-11-03 18:37:00
PSD是混联式啊~串联并联都有
作者: lrock (Have no body)   2016-11-03 18:42:00
引擎发电后电解水,再用氢燃料电池发电,驱动电动马达
作者: chandler0227 (钱德勒)   2016-11-03 18:45:00
而且英文有series-parallel 翻做串并联也很常见
作者: Gunslinger (串烧)   2016-11-03 18:58:00
这种系统不是已经出很久了吗
作者: YJM1106 (YM)   2016-11-03 19:11:00
就火车头呀
作者: ciswww (Farewell)   2016-11-03 20:57:00
1.不需要充电是好的 但,不允许车主自行充电并无可取之处i3允许车主充电 但Nissan这套系统不行? 希望是误传2.高速公路巡航,引擎直驱会比串联(发电->马达)更省油,所以HONDA i-MMD有直驱模式,Nissan是不想花时间开发?
作者: yongx13 (Fenix)   2016-11-03 21:40:00
火车用电动机比较好,因为扭力输出稳定
作者: poco0960 (poco)   2016-11-03 22:17:00
zoe不就是leaf换壳...
作者: YJM1106 (YM)   2016-11-03 23:43:00
火车是离合器的限制,用马达比较好
作者: ShinyTiger (闪耀老虎)   2016-11-04 04:50:00
还是要加油,如何称为电动车
作者: jcchiou (十三翼, 顺风! 飞翔!)   2016-11-04 09:56:00
烧油充电效率很差, 油耗肯定比不上油电车
作者: ciswww (Farewell)   2016-11-04 16:46:00
Nissan这也是油电车啊:P Toyota的系统要花很多力气开发

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