[情报] 高雄圣徒队的真面目!?

楼主: a58976584 (九把大刀)   2016-12-28 19:46:02
原文来自于Under The Hoop #0 篮球专栏
READ THIS MESSAGE THIS IS THE TRUTH! I had a business meeting with the Kaohsiu
ng Truth ownership on 12-15-2016. At this meeting was Wesley Hsu, his Wife Hol
ly Hsu and Carlos Andrade, my Wife and an unnamed official from Taiwan Basketb
all. We talked about a lot of issues mostly how their team has a lot of proble
ms at the moment from having no sponsors, why Coach Tryston was really fired,
and also speculation that the local Taiwanese players are not getting paid as
well as they are not receiving playing time!
这才是高雄圣徒队的真面目!我于12月15日和高雄圣徒队的负责人会面,其中包括许梦华
Wesley Hsu和他的太太 Holly Hsu,以及张可群 Carlos Andrade。我们提到了许多他们
现在面临的许多问题,包括寻找赞助商、为什么前任总教练 Coach Tryston 于球季中途
离开、外界种种财务上的猜测、以及外籍和台湾本土球员于球赛的上场时间分配。
At this meeting I brought up several issues such as mixing religion with baske
tball. The Kaohsiung Truth Organization wants the Taiwan local public and medi
a to believe that they are here in Taiwan to preach the word of God and play b
asketball when this is clearly not the case! The fact is that the Kaohsiung Tr
uth Organization are here in Taiwan because they are a organized group of conn
ected players that are using their statues as American Born Chinese players to
come over to Kaohsiung Taiwan and start a basketball team while also keeping
their connection of players in tact for the future! The local Taiwanese player
s are nothing more than pawns in a game used to meet the eligibility requireme
nts issued by the Asean Basketball League.
在这次面谈中,我提出几个关于高雄圣徒篮球队与其宗教信仰之间所产生的问题。高雄圣
徒篮球队想要给外界一个他们是来宣传神的旨意的篮球队,但是事实却不是如此。事实是
,高雄圣徒篮球队只是一群仗着自己拥有华裔球员身分的篮球员因为想要继续打球而组成
的球队,为了继续维持他们在篮球界的人脉。而目前在球队里的台湾本土球员只是让他们
为了能够加入东南亚职业篮球联赛 ASEAN Basketball League的一点筹码而已。
I looked Wesley Hsu and Holly Hsu right in their eyes and told them, " I am in
the community more than you, and I even told them if they are here in Taiwan
to truly help the Taiwanese locals and kids that I could help them gain some r
espect in the community among Taiwanese locals and share some resources.
那天,我对许梦华 Wesley Hsu和他的太太 Holly Hsu说:“我一直以来都在高雄的篮球
社群里付出,如果他们是真心想要回馈高雄的篮球文化,我愿意把我的资源分享给他们,
让高雄圣徒篮球队可以在高雄增加一些人气和粉丝。”
Over the next couple of days as you can see from the text I helped to arrange
meetings with a Well Known Sports Brand Representative as well as discuss busi
ness with a friend of mine in order to help Carlos Andrade and the Kaohsiung T
ruth with a order of basketball jerseys for their next game! 16 Jerseys to be
exact. I told Wesley Hsu that I have 2 pair of well known basketball shoes in
which Wesley turned around and "said if I could find him a pair of the same sh
oes that he would appreciate it! I helped to facilitate that as well as you ca
n see in the text.
这次面谈之后的几天,你可以从我的通联记录里看到我积极地帮高雄圣徒篮球队与知名运
动品牌安排会面的机会,并协助接洽联络订制高雄圣徒篮球队16件球衣和提供许梦华 Wes
ley Hsu想要球鞋的订购资讯。
They then took some of the information I gave them and used it for their own b
enefit and to make their situation better! Look at the text message between me
and Holly Hsu and the actual date that The Kaohsiung Truth Organization went
to the public basketball court by Kaohsiung Martial Art Center 高雄市青少年篮
球场 and played basketball with local Taiwanese kids in an attempt to gain sup
port in the community! They used local Taiwanese kids for their own personal g
lory and monetary gain!
面谈中,他们告诉我他们不知道怎么接触到高雄在地的篮球人,我和他们分享我自己在高
雄的篮球的经历,我和他们分享我如何接触到高雄的在地人,他们利用我们之间的谈话内
容,变成他们自己的赚钱、得到知名度的方式。
This is a snake move! To use my information and then not give thanks or acknow
ledge that it was I who gave you the idea is a coward move! HolIy Hsu will pre
tend to be sad and like she is handling all of the daily business. Wesley will
pretend to be a religious well spoken gentleman who not only plays but owns t
he team for him and his connection of friends! He will also say he put up equi
ty in his house to help start the team and even might tell you a story about h
is inheritance. Carlos will pretend to be the guy in the background that is ju
st a team player and is soft spoken! But this does not take away from what the
y really are, "Con Artists with a smile and a basketball!"
这是一个很没有道德的行为,利用我的经验变成他们钻取利益的一种方式,但我却没有得
到任何感谢或尊重。Holly Hsu 不断的和我说他对于球队的能不能经营地下去很苦恼,许
梦华 Wesley Hsu 告诉我身为球员兼老板他是一个多么虔诚的基督教徒,还为了这个球队
把他的房子拿去贷款,而张可群 Carlos Andrade 却只是在背后,知道很多内情但是却不
愿意站出来。他们是一群带着笑容和篮球,却以花言巧语骗人的人。
My team of resources spent days trying to help the Truth Organization from tra
nslating important information to setting up meetings with sponsors all the wa
y to explaining to the Truth Organization the value of setting up a basic foun
dation so that not only this generation of kids will prosper but the next gene
ration of kids 10-15 years down the line will have a chance to showcase their
talent, free of having to be connected to a organized group of players, corrup
tion, and under the table side deals that only benefit themselves and their ag
endas! Once again we were turned down!
我和我的球队,以及台湾当地的篮球联盟在接下来的几天运用我们的资源只是为了提供高
雄圣徒篮球队一点协助和可能的赞助机会,我们也清楚得沟通这些机会的重要性,以及我
们要放眼篮球的未来,现在的10-15岁孩子会是未来之星,让他们能够正确的学习篮球基
础,让这些孩子有一个健康、安全、又可以发展潜力的篮球舞台,跳脱台湾篮球文化那种
靠关系、私相授受的利益关系!但是,高雄圣徒篮球队一概拒绝了我们的任何帮忙!
In conclusion, I was not imported here to Taiwan to play basketball I chose to
come here because my wife is Taiwanese so I have a totally different perspect
ive about what is going on over here in Taiwan Basketball! What I have laid ou
t are facts supported by clear evidence that millions of basketball players in
Taiwan and across the world have a right to know! Taiwan Basketball is being
controlled by a selected few that will cheat, lie and are corrupting this gene
ration of good Taiwanese players and the next generation of great Taiwanese pl
ayers to come for their own benefit and glory! Local Taiwanese ask yourself, y
our kid maybe practicing his or her heart out on a city court right now! They
could be the next Lebron James, Kobe Bryant or Stephen Curry! But because they
are not known or affiliated with a organized or connected group of players an
d the coaches are being controlled by parents or companies that pay money for
what players they want on the team, this talented kid on the court right now i
n Taiwan will never be given a chance to shine! Local Taiwanese ask yourself,
how many players that you personally know that are better than some of these p
layers in High School, College, SBL, and ABL? Taiwanese locals it's time to st
ep up and let your voice be heard. This type of known behavior is unacceptable
and millions of local Taiwanese talk about it everyday but feel they have no
voice to make a change! I am just making the country of Taiwan and the World a
ware of what is going on here and what has been going on for years! This is th
e Truth of what is going on here in Taiwan. Taiwanese let your voice be heard,
tell your basketball experience and Truth!
我并不是为了篮球而来到台湾,我是为了我的台湾太太而搬到地球的另一边,所以对于台
湾的篮球文化,我和其他外籍球员有完全不一样的看法。我希望掀开台湾篮球的现实面,
公开给所有的人,因为每一个人都拥有知道真相的权利。目前的台湾篮球文化是由少数人
掌控,为了他们自己的利益而荼毒我们下一代的篮球未来之星。台湾人,问问你自己,你
会希望让你的孩子面对这个只有给少数有利益关系的人机会的世界吗?你的孩子可能在球
场上很有潜能,可以打进NBA或成为新时代的林书豪、Lebron、Curry、Kobe,但是却没有
人给予任何机会,而断送篮球前途。我希望可以借用这个平台,改变台湾现在的篮球文化
,借用大家的力量变成行动力,因为要改变这个长久以来扭曲变形的篮球文化需要所有台
湾人民的支持!这个才是台湾篮球的真面目!让我们一起努力,把我们的声音变成改变的
动力!告诉我你的篮球故事吧!
难道我期待这么久的台湾职业篮球队真的如此的黑暗!?
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作者: yangmie (楊咩)   2016-12-28 19:49:00
请补上作者及来源喔
作者: nowandnew (全新的开始)   2016-12-28 19:55:00
作者是? 而且他说的内容其实也没怎样阿....圣徒的确拿了宗教电台的钱 但不是为了上帝打球而是赚钱虽然挂名高雄 但主要管理层都是华裔也是事实但这有啥好黑暗的? 如果他们真的只想赚钱 搞圣徒绝对是一个蠢爆的投资无论是出于想要打职业比赛的私心还是赚钱 圣徒还是提供了台湾篮球另一种职业化的可能 这又有啥好黑暗的?你要删就直接删 不要搞得我好像重复发言....
楼主: a58976584 (九把大刀)   2016-12-28 20:03:00
我没有在删,我只是在用连结问题,连结一直无法搞定
作者: nowandnew (全新的开始)   2016-12-28 20:13:00
goo.gl/zcj6Bs 贴短网址就好了阿? 另外我看你连结还是不知道作者是谁? 是教会的人?
作者: ojmarc (mayo)   2016-12-28 20:15:00
所以呢? 那也没什么 私下地自行解决 我们是球迷看球
作者: CovacsYeh (萝卜卡普)   2016-12-28 20:19:00
简单来说圣徒打ABL只是那些华裔球员想继续在台湾打球的私心而已,然后刚好有钱原本的电台又赞助,但是后来电台不赞助了队长只好自己当CEO但是他们把职业球队想得太简单导致目前一团乱
作者: asdfgh0920 (A醬)   2016-12-28 20:19:00
"用我的经验变成他们钻取利益的一种方式" 最关键的部分并没有讲清楚是怎么回事,作者是认为自己不够尊重或是没有得到应有报酬? 至于以宗教为名,让在SBL打不上球的球员有继续比赛的舞台,这点大家本来就都知道了
作者: CovacsYeh (萝卜卡普)   2016-12-28 20:20:00
说黑暗倒不至于,只是球队的管理跟很多层面上出现很大的问题
作者: nowandnew (全新的开始)   2016-12-28 20:22:00
电台不赞助了也太惨 那中文队名也可以改了XD
作者: steven0386 (独孤求爱)   2016-12-28 20:43:00
作者是谁?所以粉丝页就代表作者?
作者: CovacsYeh (萝卜卡普)   2016-12-28 20:44:00
电台不赞助只是我猜的啦… 因为内文说队长把房子拿去贷款,基本上除非是没赞助了不然不会把自己搞成这样吧…而且之前的贴文队长是兼CEO啊...
作者: extraymond (extraymond)   2016-12-28 20:50:00
暂时无法评论,撰文者似乎是K(高雄)BL的外国球员有高雄的大大知道他是谁嘛?圣徒感觉有问题,不过不知道跟他说的一部一样。好想知道啊啊啊
作者: jack852   2016-12-28 20:56:00
台湾搞运动要赚钱几乎不可能 其实
作者: a33071201   2016-12-28 21:05:00
哪里黑 某人心黑黑倒是真的
作者: extraymond (extraymond)   2016-12-28 21:07:00
楼上有挂?
作者: lilgroovy (全新)   2016-12-28 21:18:00
打从圣徒队的消息出来大概就知道没什么好事..
作者: ANCEE (安西)   2016-12-28 22:21:00
不会有人想在台湾靠组篮球队赚钱
作者: kaikai1112 (骨髓捐赠match也是种缘份)   2016-12-28 22:47:00
欠嘘 都知道人家已经压身家(抵押房子)了 ......还质疑人家想赚钱...弄"职业"队 想赚钱有什么不对还担心你们赚不到钱撑不久哩........
作者: parkheyoung (parkheyoung)   2016-12-28 22:52:00
宗教早就不赞助了
作者: hacker10158 (小川最爱打篮球)   2016-12-28 22:53:00
压身家不想办法拿回来是做公益吗 想赚钱搞球队...
作者: kaikai1112 (骨髓捐赠match也是种缘份)   2016-12-28 22:56:00
理念不合 要撤赞助 没人会说话 但放这种黑枪.......
作者: ai770116 (东方的神秘力量)   2016-12-28 23:59:00
是我阅读能力不好吗?我看不出来圣徒队到底做了什么不道德还是其他有争议的事,要爆挂也爆完整一点
作者: rain56374 (松鼠)   2016-12-29 00:38:00
我也是看不出有什么黑欸XD
作者: CovacsYeh (萝卜卡普)   2016-12-29 01:09:00
静观其变吧?我觉得可能还有八卦
作者: linchear   2016-12-29 04:14:00
看不懂哪里黑
作者: deutschland   2016-12-29 06:19:00
其实没人在意这队啦 球员球都运不过半场没啥好看
作者: ballgame162 (mufcwin)   2016-12-29 09:28:00
系队水准还想卖票打跨国比赛赚钱?高师大出去打也比这个圣徒队强
作者: blitzkrieg (NiceKill)   2016-12-29 10:16:00
作者是打高雄ㄧ支JFF的队伍 上季打TB工艺联赛
作者: grant3324 (阿博)   2016-12-29 13:01:00
也不能说黑啦,但是目前整支球队的走向,大概跟"高雄"扯不上什么关系,毕竟现在完全以华裔球员为主。特别总经理jeff应该是球队原本最了解台湾状况的人,但他好像在第一场比赛之后,也被逼得离开了。现在似乎内部处理都由华裔球员为主,感觉球队里的台湾本土球员有被边缘化的趋势……
作者: verame (vera)   2016-12-29 14:01:00
说要推广台湾篮球,但看看本土球员可怜的出场时间,加上每场签一些免洗洋将,这对当初参加测试的球员公平吗
作者: tracy199078 (艾伦)   2016-12-29 14:37:00
连Jeff都离开了 看来这支球队离解散不远矣
作者: pipi8963 (leo)   2016-12-29 14:42:00
Jeff是创办人应该不太可能会离开吧,本土球员水平就是那样其实后面几场时间有比较多了Jeff没跟去菲律宾是因为他孩子刚出生没几天吧
作者: befrank720 (befrank720)   2016-12-29 14:54:00
其实圣徒为什么不找一些退役还能打的 毛 群峰之类的
作者: grant3324 (阿博)   2016-12-29 15:00:00
据我了解,是已经离开了,有可能球队近期就会公布了。
作者: pipi8963 (leo)   2016-12-29 15:03:00
创办人都离开了这球队真的xd
作者: tracy199078 (艾伦)   2016-12-29 15:46:00
准备dismiss了 看这支球队还不如看金酒台银打球
作者: extraymond (extraymond)   2016-12-29 16:57:00
李伟名上场时机满多的吧!是因为要带学校大专杯没随队所以后来没上,骆跟张也越上越多了。除了Andrade其他位置也还打的可以,虽然各有优缺点,但是才几场调度也还在熟悉觉得还在可以接受范围内。之后就看山眉教练要不要下去打了XD
作者: DownandSuck (乖,下去吸!)   2016-12-29 17:02:00
低水准球队
作者: pipi8963 (leo)   2016-12-29 17:25:00
张可群能上那么久很难不联想到是想自己打球组球队xd,防守被菲律宾parks吃爆攻击也不行,篮板也悲剧
作者: grant3324 (阿博)   2016-12-29 18:21:00
我觉得可以观察看看,不过球队内部确实存在一些不协调的问题。不过我还是认为台湾有球队前进ABL是一项正确的方向与路线。不论圣徒成功或失败,台湾还是可以有其他球队尝试
作者: pipi8963 (leo)   2016-12-29 18:32:00
圣徒如果不找大一点的赞助商感觉很难撑下去
作者: verame (vera)   2016-12-29 18:34:00
球队实力跟成绩倒是其次,但一个球队比赛场馆、转播单位跟球员名单一变再变,代表球队根本没有一个系统。那当初还办一个测试会干嘛
作者: pipi8963 (leo)   2016-12-29 19:22:00
其实本土球员没有变动主要是东南亚外援跟混血球员加入
作者: liu610265 (小P)   2016-12-29 19:23:00
想爆料也要讲清楚啊,上场时间这种内部问题算不上什么黑暗吧...

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