Re: [新闻] 因地域锁涉违反欧盟反垄断法,Valve抗议

楼主: DaneiLJ (键盘乡民)   2019-09-01 19:53:09
※ 引述《YoshiTilde (一页本是难成书)》之铭言:
: : → linzero: 有些经济诉讼会花很久的,搞不好这案子是2015年前的 09/01 11:20
: : 推 schula: 这种的还是看原文比较不会有翻译上的误差(汗 09/01 11:52
: 这案子始于2013年
: 欧盟主张:
: In a true Digital Single Market, European consumers should have the right to buy
: and play video games of their choice regardless of where they live in the EU. C
: onsumers should not be prevented from shopping around between Member States to f
: ind the best available deal. Valve and the five PC video game publishers now hav
: e the chance to respond to our concerns.
: 有趣的是欧盟说自己的法律:
: The Regulation prohibits geo-blocking and other geographically-based restriction
: s which undermine online shopping and cross-border sales by limiting the possibi
: lity for consumers and businesses to benefit from the advantages of online comme
: rce. Currently, the Regulation applies to PC video games distributed on CDs, DVD
: s but not to downloads.
: The Commission will carry out a first evaluation of the Regulation by 23 March 2
: 020. In particular, the Commission will assess the scope of the Regulation, incl
: uding its possible application to certain electronically supplied services which
: offer copyright-protected content such as music, e-books, software and online g
: ames, as well as of services in sectors such as transport and audio-visual.
: Valve觉得:
: However, the EC's charges do not relate to the sale of PC games on Steam - Valve
: 's PC gaming service. Instead the EC alleges that Valve enabled geo-blocking by
: providing Steam activation keys and - upon the publishers' request - locking tho
: se keys to particular territories ("region locks") within the EEA. Such keys all
: ow a customer to activate and play a game on Steam when the user has purchased i
: t from a third-party reseller. Valve provides Steam activation keys free of char
: ge and does not receive any share of the purchase price when a game is sold by t
: hird-party resellers (such as a retailer or other online store).
: The region locks only applied to a small number of game titles. Approximately ju
: st 3% of all games using Steam (and none of Valve's own games) at the time were
: subject to the contested region locks in the EEA. Valve believes that the EC's e
: xtension of liability to a platform provider in these circumstances is not suppo
: rted by applicable law.
: 而且他们已经:
: Nonetheless, because of the EC's concerns, Valve actually turned off region lock
: s within the EEA starting in 2015, unless those region locks were necessary for
: local legal requirements (such as German content laws) or geographic limits on w
: here the Steam partner is licensed to distribute a game.
: 但他们认为这样会:
: The elimination of region locks will also mean that publishers will likely raise
: prices in less affluent regions to avoid price arbitrage. There are no costs in
: volved in sending activation keys from one country to another and the activation
: key is all a user needs to activate and play a PC game.
: https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-2010_en.htm
: https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-geo-locking-europe/
有原文就来翻原文吧
就事论事,至少看看是什么"行为"违反反垄断法吧
截自原po提供的第一个连结
The Commission's preliminary view is that
Valve and the five PC video game publishers entered into bilateral agreements
‘to prevent consumers from purchasing and using PC video games
acquired elsewhere than in their country of residence’
(so-called “geo-blocking”).
This is against EU antitrust rules.
Valve and the five PC video game publishers agreed,
in breach of EU antitrust rules,
to use geo-blocked activation keys to prevent cross-border sales,
including in response to unsolicited consumer requests
(so-called “passive sales”) of PC video games from several Member States
(i.e. Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia,
and in some cases Romania).
‘This may have prevented consumers from buying cheaper games
available in other Member States.’
违反反垄断法的
是‘禁止消费者购买、使用从他国取得的游戏金钥’
也就是所谓的锁区(region lock)
欧盟认为这行为伤害消费者购买便宜游戏的可能
而且欧盟还怀疑有协议行为
被开罚跟
统一售价、上架不上架
一点关系都没有
作者: damnedfish (fish)   2019-09-01 21:00:00
实际上相关,因为锁区就是各区报价不同‘禁止消费者购买、使用从他国取得的游戏金钥’实际上就是防止你从更低价区获得金钥
作者: willywasd (dalikeanureeves)   2019-09-01 21:03:00
对啦 但欧盟的本意应该是要禁止地区、国界上的限制统一售价是厂商之后可能做出的应对
作者: linzero (【林】)   2019-09-01 21:05:00
换个角度看,台湾地区也有富裕地区跟贫困地区,换个幅员较大的像中国也是一样会有差异。但这种情况比方线上服务
作者: zeal63966   2019-09-01 21:06:00
但事实上steam地域锁的游戏不到10%,要拉高售价不可能,除非他今天开始全锁之后又不锁就有可能
作者: linzero (【林】)   2019-09-01 21:06:00
或网购之类的,比较没有实体店面那种因地制价的情况,这
作者: zeal63966   2019-09-01 21:07:00
只有平行时空才有可能拉高售价
作者: linzero (【林】)   2019-09-01 21:07:00
样可以说这种服务统一价格是牺牲较贫困区域的消费者吗?
作者: zeal63966   2019-09-01 21:09:00
现在问题是steam禁止玩家购买更便宜的游戏,跟楼上的说法好像差了十万八千里
作者: willywasd (dalikeanureeves)   2019-09-01 21:09:00
但欧盟对电子商务的规范就是不能限制会员国之间的跨区而steam算是电子商务的一种再来大部分的欧盟会员国已经是统一欧元计价如果不喜欢流通性高的市场可以跟英国一样跳出去自己玩XD用英镑计价
作者: LaplaceDemon (拉普拉斯恶魔)   2019-09-01 21:36:00
欧盟要的是欧盟内的自由跨区域吧会员国国民追求区内的最佳价格 steam不得阻挡所以steam锁跨区商店跨区key完全踩到线
作者: dss (dss)   2019-09-01 21:49:00
这意思是锁区的俄key跟中国key这种也该开放给欧盟使用?
作者: linzero (【林】)   2019-09-01 21:57:00
欧盟不管会员国以外的吧
作者: willywasd (dalikeanureeves)   2019-09-01 22:01:00
欧盟只管欧盟会员国
作者: Sischill (Believe or not)   2019-09-01 22:04:00
俄罗斯跟中国什么时候成为会员国了...你拿欧元去中国跟俄罗斯他们也不收呀...旁边之前一直很想加入的土耳其欧盟都不管了
作者: RuinAngel (左)   2019-09-02 12:38:00
她没有禁止消费者购买啦只有禁止消费者使用其他区的key而且看得出来欧盟要抓的是Valve+5厂“联合”搞锁区
楼主: DaneiLJ (键盘乡民)   2019-09-02 12:48:00
passive sales那段的指控应该就是禁止购买的部分前段的地区锁启动则是禁止使用的部分
作者: RuinAngel (左)   2019-09-02 13:16:00
那段是说启动锁区防止/预防 passive sales 没有禁买啊消费者硬要买不能启动的 key 还是可以买的XD或是被不肖第三方卖家骗
楼主: DaneiLJ (键盘乡民)   2019-09-02 13:20:00
也是啦...
作者: R910402 (No Surprises)   2019-09-03 18:01:00
不管啦,欧盟讨保护费,左胶阻碍世界进步

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