Re: [讨论] gamepress对超梦的分析

楼主: abless (凛之忆)   2017-08-17 23:50:30
※ 引述《oldxeng (Someone call for the do)》之铭言:
: https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/countering-mewtwo-and-mewtwos-place-meta
: 帮板友稍整理一下,当然不见得是完全正确,还是有讨论的空间
英文不好但想练习一下,委屈大家的双眼了。
Introduction 简介
On August 14th, Niantic released Mewtwo as a raid boss for the Pokemon Stadium
event in Yokohama, Japan. It was revealed that Mewtwo would be available
through Pokemon GO's new exclusive raid system. The day foretold has come;
Mewtwo is now obtainable in Pokemon GO.
8月14日这天,人们终于想起了被他们支配的恐惧...不是,任天堂以Raid Boss的形式将
超梦于横滨的宝可梦道馆活动中释出,这表示超梦将来是可能以Raid的方式取得,那
天也是可预见的因为有人在横滨开超梦图鉴啦!
With its arrival, Trainers are asking many questions about how to counter
Mewtwo and Mewtwo’s use as an attacker. Using our best mathematical
understanding of gym AI, simulated matchup data, and real world analysis,
we here at GamePress believe we have the answers players are looking for! One
thing we can say for certain, with Mewtwo’s arrival the metagame will never
be the same again.
随着这件事的到来,小智们都想知道怎么对抗超梦还有如何使用超梦作为攻击宝可梦,利
用我们对道馆AI的了解、模拟战斗数据还有实际的分析,Gamepress相信自己有玩家期待
的答案,有一件事是确定的,随着超梦的到来,当今meta将不再相同(废话?)。
: 小招
: 好打的(easy mode) 精神利刃
: 困难版(hard mode) 念力
Optimal Movesets: Confusion or Psycho Cut + Shadow Ball
Great Movesets: Confusion or Psycho Cut + Focus Blast
理想的攻击招:念力/幻象斩 + 影子球
优秀的攻击招:念力/幻象斩 + 真气弹
Confusion is on par with Psycho Cut for quick moves; the former offers higher
DPS and the latter offers faster energy gains and easier dodgability.
念力和幻象斩是差不多的小招,前者提供较高的DPS而后者集气较快较易闪躲。
Shadow Ball is clearly superior to Psychic. Despite lacking STAB, its base
power is similar to Psychic for half the energy cost and goes resisted by only
2 types of Pokemon (Normal and Dark). Shadow Ball does as well as Psychic
against Fighting and Poison-types while also giving Mewtwo an edge over other
Psychic-type Pokemon.
影子球(Shadow Ball)显著优于幻象术(Psychic),尽管缺少额外加乘(STAB),他的基础
威力在等同于幻象术的状况下,仅需消耗一半能量而且仅被暗系及一般系宝可梦减伤,在
抵抗格斗型和毒型宝可梦上有其优越之处。
Focus Blast is a viable, alternative option for countering Normal-type Pokemon
such as Blissey and Snorlax. Its power rivals that of Machamp.
真气弹在对抗一般系宝可梦是可用的选择,例如幸福蛋或卡比兽,威力相当于怪力。
Hyper Beam is definitely Mewtwo’s worst charge move. TM if possible.
破坏死光是最悲剧的大招,遇到拜托使用招式机。
Mewtwo as an Attacker 将超梦作为攻击者
Mewtwo was originally proffered to top all offense charts and trivialize the
use of any other attacker in the game. Niantic suddenly decreasing all of its
stats by 9% put a sharp end to that. Rather than breaking the game, Mewtwo
weighs heavily upon it.
超梦原本是所有攻击图表上的首选,任天堂终于削减了他的能力值约9%,这样做总比摧毁
游戏来得好。
While Mewtwo is still a top neutral DPS option with power rivaling that of
Dragonite, it is by no means “broken.” Like Dragonite, Mewtwo will excel
in many matchups but will often fall short of more optimized counters. However,
unlike Dragonite, Mewtwo’s Psychic, Ghost, and Fighting-type attacks offer
it a variety of optimal matchups.
当超梦仍拥有最佳的(纯)DPS伤害,如同快龙,可参与诸多比赛且表现优秀,也时常遇到对
手,但不像快龙,超梦幻系、幽灵系、格斗系的招式让他可以应付各种对战。
Mewtwo’s powerful Psychic-type quick moves helps out against Poison and
Fighting-type raid bosses, countering them harder than they ever have been
before. Mewtwo’s resistance to Psychic-type attacks in concert with Shadow
Ball’s raw power make Psychic-type raid bosses bend the knee to their new
Mewtwo king. Even the mighty Blissey quivers before Mewtwo’s power as Mewtwo
resists Blissey’s paltry Zen Headbutts while obliterating it at near Machamp
speeds with Focus Blast. Needless to say, there is now
a meta before Mewtwo and a meta after Mewtwo.
超梦充满威力的幻系小招有助于抵抗毒和格斗系BOSS,让他们尝到前所未有的康特,超梦
对幻系攻击的减伤和影子球的纯粹威力也让幻系BOSS屈膝,即便强大无底的幸福蛋也只能
在墙角发抖哭泣,别说啦现在是超梦的META啦!
: 遇到念力的话派玻璃大砲(螳螂,耿鬼...) 可能会变成堆尸了...
: 最强打手 班吉拉
: 小招要咬,大招咬碎或尖石都可以
: 真气弹超梦
: 当你有一只很强的班吉拉,但是电脑没帮忙选的话,超梦大招可能就是真气弹了
: 作者建议派快龙,暴鲤龙(小招咬),或超梦...XDDDDD
: 如果是精神利刃+真气弹可以派耿鬼
: 最坦的话是洛奇亚,不过因为攻击不强,大招建议神鸟猛击。
: 舔卡比还可以(decent option)
: 反正也不知道什么时候会出,大家当做闲聊就好了...
Countering Mewtwo 康特超梦
Compared to previous legendary raid bosses, Mewtwo’s movesets will heavily
influence the raiders’ experience. experience. Generally speaking, Mewtwo's
difficulty depends on which fast move it has.
相较于之前的传说BOSS,超梦的招式组合根本是破坏游戏体验,总的来说,难度将取决于
超梦的小招是什么~
Psycho Cut’s low base power will put Mewtwo on “easy mode” and place greater
emphasis on resisting Mewtwo’s charge moves. Confusion on the other hand will
put Mewtwo on “hard mode” and emphasize the need to resist Psychic-type
damage. In fact, Confusion Mewtwo is so powerful that it calls the viability o
f “Glass Cannon” counters (such as Gengar) into question, makes “Good”
counters (such as Scizor) look squishy, and may bring “Tank” options (such as
Lugia) to the field for general use rather
than an anchoring 6th slot Pokemon.
幻象斩有较低的基伤,这样的超梦比较好打,影响他的大招,念力让超梦比较难打,更强
调玩家宝可梦对幻系伤害的减伤,这样的超梦非常强大让耿鬼和巨钳螳螂被碾压,也会让
洛基亚等比较坦的宝可梦成为一般选择。
All things considered, Tyranitar comes in as the #1 counter to most Mewtwo
movesets. Tyranitar’s Dark-typing allows it to doubly resist Mewtwo’s Psychic
-type attacks while putting a STAB 1.2x multiplier behind its super effective
Dark-type attacks. Not only that, but Tyranitar’s dual typing also resists
both Mewtwo’s Shadow Ball and Hyper Beam. It is worth noting that both Stone
Edge and Crunch are equally viable as charge moves for Tyranitar. Despite
dealing neutral damage, Crunch is weak enough
where the gap between the two moves is relatively small. The main selling
point with Tyranitar is Bite.
考虑到以上状况,班吉拉变成头号康特角,身为暗系的他双抗超梦的幻系攻击,不仅如此
,他的双重种类也可以抵抗影子球和破坏死光,所以尖石攻击和Crunch都是相当好的选择
,两者差距十分渺小,重点还是班吉拉的咬!
Focus Blast Mewtwo 超梦 feat. 真气斩
Despite Tyranitar’s merits, Mewtwo may be carrying the charge move Focus Blast
, which will take Tyranitar’s hit points from Hero to Zero in a matter of
seconds. Fortunately, you may be able to “tell” if Mewtwo is carrying Focus
Blast from looking at your auto-selected line up. If Tyranitar is
auto-selected, you are likely facing a Mewtwo with Psychic, Shadow Ball, or
Hyper Beam as its charge move. If Tyranitar is nowhere to be seen, you either
forgot to revive yours or Mewtwo is packing Focus Blast.
尽管有老班救星,超梦仍有真气斩可以痛击班吉拉(From Hero to Zero),幸运的是你可能
可以从电脑选择的对战宝可梦中分辨真气斩超梦,如果电脑有选择班吉拉作为对战宝可梦
,你极有可能对战到大招是幻象斩、破坏死光或影子球的超梦,如果没看到,可能就是中
奖了。
If Mewtwo is carrying Focus Blast, then Dragonite, Bite Gyarados, and Mewtwo
itself take the spotlight as Mewtwo’s best counters. If a Focus Blast Mewtwo
has Psycho Cut as its quick move, Gengar downright dominates the fight with its
high DPS, super effective, STAB attacks Shadow Claw, Hex, and Shadow Ball. As
a tanky 6th slot option, against Focus Blast, no Pokemon will stay in the
fight longer than Lugia; just make sure it carries Sky Attack to keep its DPS
relevant!
如果超梦feat真气斩,那快龙、小招为咬的保丽龙,和超梦他本身(嗯讲得好像已经抓到
一样),重新回到聚光灯下作为其康特,如果超梦小招是幻象斩,耿鬼是有宰治力的,洛
奇亚在第六顺位是最佳选择,记得要带天空攻击(SKY ATTACK)唷!
All this said, Tyranitar is still a very potent option against Focus Blast
Mewtwo! While Focus Blast will likely take Tyranitar out in one hit, Focus
Blast is still just a one bar charge move and will likely make few appearances
in the fight. Tyranitar’s high DPS and powerful resistance to all of Mewtwo’
s quick moves still makes it a better option that most others against Mewtwo.
Just don’t place all your bets on it.
讲那么多(喝口水),班吉拉仍是强而有力的选择,即便真气斩可能一招KO老班,一格招
在一次战斗中出现的次数有限,而班吉拉高DPS和对所有超梦小招的抵抗力仍让他成为对
战超梦的最佳选择,只是不要把所有鸡蛋都放在班吉拉的篮子里...
Other Options 其他选择
Houndoom, Pinsir, and Scizor all feature as generally good, all around options
against Mewtwo. While they’re a bit more on the low survivability side
against Confusion, their DPS and performance against Psycho Cut cannot be
ignored.
黑鲁嘉、大甲和巨钳螳螂很棒,虽然在念力的攻击下可能活不久,但他们的DPS和对幻象
斩的表现不容忽视。
After them a wide variety of Pokemon lurk as sub-optimal counters to Mewtwo,
including but not limited to: Alakazam, Flareon, Moltres, Zapdos, Exeggutor,
Vaporeon, Arcanine, Sneasel, Typhlosion, and Umbreon. At this point,
eyebrow-raising options such as Crobat, Muk, and Heracross hit the scene. If
you find yourself reaching this low in the barrel, you may be better off with
an underleveled Tyranitar.
在他们之后有大量的第二选择,胡地、火精、火鸟、伞店、耶诞树、水精、火狗、狃拉、
火爆兽、月精灵,然后叉字蝠、臭臭泥、赫拉克罗斯。
As a final note, Snorlax and Blissey both come up as tankier, low DPS options
against Mewtwo. While they both doubly resist Shadow Ball, it is very difficult
to discern a Shadow Ball Mewtwo from a Psychic or Hyper Beam one in the queue.
Against all 3 of these charge moves, Tyranitar will serve you significantly
better. While we here at GamePress are willing to concede that Lick Snorlax is
a decent option against Mewtwo (should you not have a Tyranitar, Dragonite,
Mewtwo, or Gyarados to take its place), we cannot recommend using the
abysmally weak and slow Blissey except as an absolute last resort.
最后提醒,卡比兽和幸福蛋是坦克选择,低DPS但对影子求双抗,我们GP觉得小招是舔的卡
比也算是个可以的选择(如果你没有老班、快龙、保丽龙...)。
Closing 结语
As you can tell, if you’re not rolling up to the local Mewtwo raid with a
bunch of Tyranitar at the ready, you may be in for a rough ride! While
Houndoom, Pinsir, and Scizor make for decent alternative options, all three
pale in comparison. If you queue up and you find your Tyranitar army isn’t
auto-selected, you may be up against Focus Blast. Respond accordingly and make
sure to slot in Dragonite, Gyarados, Gengar, Lugia, or your own Mewtwo to
shore up your Fighting-type weakness before your Tyranitar.
现在你应该知道,如果你没有老班,追求超梦将是辛苦的旅程,黑鲁嘉、大甲和巨钳螳螂
是还可以的选择,如果老班没有被系统挑选作为对战宝可梦,你极有可能对到大招是真气
斩的超梦,快龙、保丽龙、耿鬼、洛基亚还有你手上有(?)的超梦能弥补你阵容的缺点

Once you clear the raid, revel in the fact that you are now in possession of
one of the most powerful, metagame defining Pokemon in Pokemon GO and
subsequently save all Rare Candy for its ascension to power. At this point in
time, if your Mewtwo has Psychic or Hyper Beam, you may want to use a Charge
TM. Shadow Ball is as powerful as Psychic against targets weak to Psychic-type
damage and allows Mewtwo to smash Psychic-type Pokemon as well. Focus Blast
allows Mewtwo to rival Machamp as the #1 Blissey slayer.
一旦你清楚了这一切,现在你正处在最强大、最META的宝可梦GO,所以留下你的神奇糖果
吧,如果你的超梦大招是精神强念或破坏死光,你可能会想用招式机,真气斩让超梦比肩
怪力成为第一名的幸福蛋刽子手。
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2017-08-17 23:52:00
任天堂(X) 奈安提克(O)
作者: fattyfatty (小胖子)   2017-08-17 23:52:00
太强大了
作者: satan04 (钓鱼宝宝)   2017-08-17 23:53:00
任天堂...
作者: staristic (ANSI lover)   2017-08-17 23:55:00
任天堂
作者: dreaman (GIGA)   2017-08-17 23:56:00
第一句主体就搞错有点可惜啊 推翻译
作者: anidiot (^__________^)   2017-08-17 23:58:00
人们终于想起了被他们支配的恐惧???????
作者: coldlian (荀文若)   2017-08-17 23:58:00
任天堂
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-17 23:59:00
The day foretold has come;Mewtwo is now obtainablein Pokemon GO.我会翻:被预言的那天来临了;超梦现在在pmgo中是可以得到的The day (witch is) foretold has come
作者: december1952 (快一点)   2017-08-18 00:04:00
from hero to zero可翻成“把英雄打成狗熊”啊
作者: bingtsien (公馆吃不胖美食家)   2017-08-18 00:04:00
推~再加油,期待你之后的翻译
作者: daniel7894 (阿毅)   2017-08-18 00:08:00
从一拳变成无证
作者: nolimits (爱盗人)   2017-08-18 00:09:00
巨人梗需要那么认真吗
作者: Turnelife (叶子)   2017-08-18 00:30:00
尚可给个推
作者: rightmask (假面)   2017-08-18 00:31:00
Sorry Bro
作者: Tabrith (血糖瑪琪朵)   2017-08-18 00:38:00
翻译辛苦了,版友真的很严格~
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 01:01:00
In fact, Confusion Mewtwo is ..... rather than ananchoring 6th slot Pokemon.
作者: allen771115 (王小杰)   2017-08-18 01:03:00
作者: sango354 (鲜果Sango)   2017-08-18 01:04:00
翻译辛苦了
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 01:06:00
这边我会翻:事实上,念力超梦是如此的强大,使'玻璃砲'克属宠(如耿鬼)成为问题;'优秀的'克属宠(如巨钳螳螂)变得软趴趴;且带来使用'坦克'这个选项(如洛奇亚),而不使用原先固定的6格宠物。6th slot pokemon我不清楚是指什么,暂时先这样翻了
作者: rup3xup6 (rup3xup6)   2017-08-18 01:15:00
推 不过公司翻错了最好改一下XD
作者: peadon (peadon)   2017-08-18 01:18:00
那句6th大概就是前面吵很凶的>> 保底XD
作者: saintsmw (Saint)   2017-08-18 01:18:00
指第六只打手
作者: nktx (摁亏踢)   2017-08-18 01:19:00
@tmps 那段是指念力超梦或许会让原本保底用的宠能进入前五考虑的战力选项之一棒^
作者: Tabrith (血糖瑪琪朵)   2017-08-18 01:21:00
由于念力超梦攻击力太强,不够坦的通通都是玻璃砲,所以原本拿来当垫底的Lugia可升级为一线
作者: joyca (joyca)   2017-08-18 01:27:00
翻译推,辛苦了
作者: nktx (摁亏踢)   2017-08-18 01:28:00
所以原po翻那段没什么问题。但必须补充它是 "may" bring因此他也没说洛升为一线,只是对一些不够坦的宠打上问号。
作者: ted864879 (Lunhaha)   2017-08-18 01:38:00
推翻译
作者: qazsedc ( )   2017-08-18 02:00:00
话说,有空军已经抓到超梦,搭配现场有人拍QRcode传回某空军联队真他妈的牛那天抓根本闭着眼睛也会gotcha
作者: yys310 (有水当思无水之苦)   2017-08-18 02:40:00
肯传QRcode那就代表传的那位牺牲自己的机会了耶
作者: wak (默艾)   2017-08-18 02:55:00
对于一直都是堆尸打法的人来说,没什么困难的~~ -_-
作者: pinz (瓶子~龙魂不灭)   2017-08-18 05:49:00
感谢翻译
作者: dot210 (大特)   2017-08-18 06:15:00
感谢
作者: wayne30613 (氣泡柳橙汁)   2017-08-18 06:44:00
幻系??
作者: shauhon (万万叶)   2017-08-18 07:04:00
那来的天空攻击zzz
作者: d90493 (加菲猫)   2017-08-18 07:20:00
打幸福蛋就靠超梦了
作者: cobrasgo (人鱼线变成鲔鱼线,超帅)   2017-08-18 07:42:00
还有单挑怪力也是要靠它
作者: allen771115 (王小杰)   2017-08-18 07:46:00
Q大 可以把资讯来源站内信给我吗
作者: phliao (阿保)   2017-08-18 07:48:00
嘘的抓不到超梦
作者: Saxonfang (Saxon)   2017-08-18 07:57:00
翻译归翻译 幽默归幽默
作者: Tako5566 (kato好可爱><)   2017-08-18 08:05:00
来嘘幻系
作者: drroku (落裤博士)   2017-08-18 08:28:00
看到任天堂就end了拍谢
作者: alpafr (paspas!)   2017-08-18 08:29:00
推翻译
作者: undertakerme (新营金城腐)   2017-08-18 08:36:00
有推有超梦,基本上超梦出来后大家就不会太在乎如何打了,抓不到干文可能会比较多一点XD
作者: aspeter (Tom)   2017-08-18 08:45:00
内文没小智吧,与其乱翻不如不翻...
作者: cloud1030 (不存在22)   2017-08-18 08:49:00
原PO这样翻没什么问题
作者: aspeter (Tom)   2017-08-18 08:51:00
是超能力系不是幻系
作者: kenny610 (阿贤仔)   2017-08-18 09:09:00
推 辛苦了
作者: mischiru (小熊维尼)   2017-08-18 09:11:00
康特康特
作者: dormice (MJ KING OF POP )   2017-08-18 09:12:00
感谢
作者: satan04 (钓鱼宝宝)   2017-08-18 09:16:00
我是觉得新手翻译不要好高骛远 先从贴近原意开始
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2017-08-18 09:31:00
推推
作者: AndyCheng1 (Andy)   2017-08-18 09:50:00
Psychic是超能系, FAIRY 才是幻系
作者: nonono119 (111119)   2017-08-18 10:37:00
任天堂躺着也中枪 不要看到N开头就开枪
作者: katseng5566 (Yourass)   2017-08-18 10:40:00
推翻译,已经很贴近原意了,这版真的很严格
作者: nktx (摁亏踢)   2017-08-18 10:57:00
原po前面就先说是练习了 我觉得可以只是专有名词的部分还是要注意一下XD Sky Attack 翻天空攻击好像也不能说什么(?)XDD 但那招是神鸟
作者: satan04 (钓鱼宝宝)   2017-08-18 11:11:00
疴 我指的是说 要提升翻译的正确度 而不是有翻就好要用梗也要抓到原文的精随
作者: gidens (0)   2017-08-18 11:15:00
又没拿钱 跟很多翻译腔重的相比这篇可读性和流畅度很高了
作者: tsming (断水流大师兄)   2017-08-18 11:17:00
我觉得可以
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 11:23:00
感谢n大t大,超梦那段我觉得翻译的话还是尽量完整翻比较适合,不过远po意思是差不多的超梦那段》玻璃砲那段(修正一下,整篇都在超梦我是在讲那段...不过foretold那段我是觉得语意有错,我破英文有错还请大家指正最后还是推原po翻译
作者: Yatagarasu (Yata)   2017-08-18 11:27:00
说真的这比较像创作了,一堆原文没有的东西
作者: xu3ru4p (iamValentine)   2017-08-18 12:01:00
推翻译,不过有点超译了 XD
作者: assblack (assblack)   2017-08-18 12:17:00
推翻译 有翻过才知道很难
作者: satan04 (钓鱼宝宝)   2017-08-18 12:30:00
我想很多推文搞不清楚 建议跟批评的差异
作者: englisher (englisher)   2017-08-18 12:41:00
康特是啥?
作者: YUTIYUAN (小尤)   2017-08-18 12:47:00
countering 逆袭,怪力也有这招……囧rz
作者: nktx (摁亏踢)   2017-08-18 12:52:00
推 至少原意不能跑掉我指杀蛋的建议 这篇再看一次真的挺超译的wwww
作者: tracheids (大雄)   2017-08-18 12:55:00
辛苦了
作者: Noic (天動說)   2017-08-18 13:23:00
不囉唆 有翻译先推再说
作者: oldxeng (Someone call for the do)   2017-08-18 13:38:00
不论超译...大家多看英文是绝对好处多多...
作者: choosin (秋心)   2017-08-18 15:19:00
我觉得可以 重要资讯的地方没乱偏太多
作者: forgetyou322 (忘了妳.我遇见美好)   2017-08-18 15:40:00
我觉得不行 是在康特什么鬼
作者: koll (koll)   2017-08-18 15:45:00
我流翻译
作者: senha (阿千)   2017-08-19 09:09:00
翻译三原则:信、达、雅,第一点信就是要准确,超译的话...会连第一点信(基本词意准确)都没做到...后面的达(通畅)、雅(词汇妥当优美)才是比较要求专业的~所以不是有翻译就好啦XDDD 虽然有翻译我也很感谢~可是翻错的地方太多会是错误的资讯流传,这样很可惜~

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