[情报] 为何我投给Cabrera

楼主: abc12812   2012-11-16 21:36:25
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I would have loved to see the American League MVP come down to a tie between
Detroit’s Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout of the Angels, because they each did
their jobs extraordinarily well – and because I went back and forth numerous
times about this vote.
In the end, I settled on Cabrera, barely. I based that on his stronger
performance down the stretch, helping the Tigers into the playoffs. Yes, Trout
’s Angels won more games than Detroit, and no, Trout shouldn’t be penalized
for playing in a stronger division, but at the same time, Cabrera shouldn’t
be dinged for playing in a weaker one.
最终 Cabrera在我心中稍稍胜出 依据的理由是他球季后段较好的表现和季后赛
Trout是不应该应为分区强而被惩罚 但Cabrera也不应该应为分区弱而被排斥
The central argument over the BBWAA’s MVP awards always has been this:
Should the award go to the best player? Or to the most valuable player,
whatever that means? It creates a fun debate, made all the more interesting
in recent years with the rise of advanced metrics. I have great respect for
the sabermetricians, and I have a working grasp of most of the more common
advanced metrics. I believe they are an excellent tool for player evaluation,
and I did take them into account. By those measures, Mike Trout had an
off-the-charts season, a historic season, and I certainly will not argue that
Cabrera is the better all-around player. Trout is an astonishingly great
all-around player, the “best” player, if you will.
我相信进阶数据是很好的工具 由它们的评估 Trout有历史级的球季 而我并不会争论
Cabrera是不是比较好的球员 Trout是全能性的 "最好"的 可以这么说
Postseason, though, is the ultimate goal for every team. We more “traditional
” baseball journalists do tend to weigh postseason appearances highly when
it comes to the MVP because, really, what else is value for? Cabrera got his
team to the playoffs. Trout did not. There are lots of variables involved, I
realize that, many of them out of each player’s control, but this was the
area that made just the slimmest bits of difference for me: In August,
Cabrera had an on-base percentage of .429 and an OPS of 1.092 and September
.395 and 1.071. Trout’s August numbers: .366 and .866 and September: .400
and .900.
我们"传统"记者 评判MVP时比较看重季后赛 当然 进季后赛有很多变量存在
但是看看八九月两人的表现吧
Many of the stats brigade argue that looking at arbitrary dates, say from
Aug. 1 on, isn’t valid, and many note that games in June and July – when
Trout was putting up absurd numbers – count the same as those final two
months. I believe, and this is just my own opinion, that the pennant race
does mean something extra. I absolutely expect that Mike Trout will have some
extraordinary stretch-run performances in his career. This year, that guy was
Cabrera.
数据派可能会争论认为比赛是场场等值 但在我看来 后段比赛价值更高
我相信以后Trout也会有带进季后赛的表现 不过 今年的那个人是Cabrera
Now, along with looking at all the measures possible, including WAR (which
this year probably will reflect more in my votes for the 3-10 places), I also
talked to lots of people in the game: scouts, execs, players. I talked to
baseball-crazed friends, just about anyone who might have an interesting
take, and this year everyone does. My husband, Dan Brown of the San Jose
Mercury News, is a BBWAA member but did not have an AL MVP vote; he would
have voted for Trout, though, as he indicated in the paper on Sunday. So even
our household is split.
我老公表示他会投给Trout 他也是BBWAA成员但没有投票权
可见连在家庭里每个人的意见都不一致
Every player I spoke to, and I talked to at least a dozen A’s and other AL
players, leaned toward Cabrera – except for one: Brandon McCarthy, the A’s
starter and a man with such a deep knowledge of advanced metrics, he has used
them to redefine his career. McCarthy is among the smartest, if not the
smartest, athlete I’ve covered in 24 years in the business, and I respect
his opinion enormously when it comes to sabermetrics. He doesn’t just
understand them, he puts them into actual practice.
大部分我访问的球员都会投给Cabrera 除了Brandon McCarthy
McCarthy是我采访过的球员中最聪明的一个
他不只了解进阶数据 他还利用数据改进他的生涯
McCarthy argued vehemently for Trout, and he said he tried to find every
possible reason to vote for Cabrera as an intellectual exercise, but he just
couldn’t do rationalize it. Trout’s superiority in two major categories,
defense and baserunning, made this a clear choice for McCarthy. He described
Cabrera as “unreal” at hitting – and Trout as “unreal at all three.”
McCarthy说他想找Cabrera胜过Trout的理由 但他找不到
Trout在跑垒和防守大胜 让他成为McCarthy明显的选择
Cabrera的打击很惊人 但Trout在三方面都很惊人
When I made that (somewhat cliched by now) argument that Cabrera had helped
his team by moving to third base in order for the Tigers to sign Prince
Fielder – something which I still don’t think can be discounted entirely –
McCarthy responded that Cabrera would have helped the team more by DHing and
allowing a better defensive player to handle third. I don’t agree, based on
the rest of their personnel, but it’s a fair point.
当我提出Cabrera无私移防三垒 - 我觉得这是不能被反驳的理由 - McCarthy回应说
Cabrera打DH然后让防守好的人站三垒队球队更有帮助
我不同意 但这是不错的看法
McCarthy and I discussed this vote several times, including after my ballot
was completed, and he feels very strongly about it. I admire that, and I love
the passion that has driven the debate on both sides. Isn’t this what makes
sports great? I hope we can all agree that this isn’t a year in which
negativity should reign – both of these men were at the peak of their
profession. That should be applauded.
I considered all sides, absolutely, and at times, I was convinced I’d vote
for Trout, only to swing back. I understand the push for Trout and the flaws
in the Cabrera argument, especially when it comes to defense and baserunning.
But Cabrera got the job done at crunch time, and that, in the end, made just
the slimmest of differences to me.
我有想过投给Trout 特别是考虑防守和跑垒 但Cabrera在关键时刻有关键发挥
而这最后让我决定投给Cabrera
作者: krajicek (回忆比真实精彩)   2011-01-16 21:38:00
所以多数球员也是传统派
作者: johnjohn1330 (恶呵呵呵)   2011-01-16 21:40:00
他说McCarthy是采访的球员最聪明的一个 结果他投票
作者: tanaka0826 (田中鬪莉王)   2011-01-16 21:41:00
McCarthy:我以后也要当GM
作者: johnjohn1330 (恶呵呵呵)   2011-01-16 21:41:00
投给McCarthy想投的那个的对面= =
作者: yankeefat (本人内建试制51cm连装砲)   2011-01-16 21:43:00
Trout无法帮球队打进季后赛 但胖卡可以
作者: DerekJeter02 (Captain Clutch)   2011-01-16 21:43:00
这两个有什么冲突吗...不懂楼上的逻辑
作者: DerekJeter02 (Captain Clutch)   2011-01-16 21:44:00
我是说2楼
作者: borriss (松)   2011-01-16 21:53:00
Trout也说自己不懂war
作者: SergeIbaka9 (Iblocka)   2011-01-16 21:56:00
讲最白最直观 投票的人真的都知道WAR是什么东西吗-.-
作者: Sechslee (キタ━━(゚∀゚)━━!!)   2011-01-16 21:56:00
多数球员是传统派很正常吧?
楼主: abc12812   2011-01-16 21:58:00
记者怎么没问问Scherzer的看法? 他也是数据派的
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2011-01-16 21:59:00
胖卡有季后赛鳟鱼没有其实就没太大悬念了如果今天两人同进退就真的有得吵
作者: SatoTakuma (鍵盤評論家)   2011-01-16 22:01:00
如果是总冠军之后才投...
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2011-01-16 22:03:00
看要不要重聘一堆了进阶数据的人来投票囉~
作者: krizarlid (Let's Go Cubs !)   2011-01-16 22:05:00
少了Trout 天使有机会跟水手抢美西炉主勒
作者: SergeIbaka9 (Iblocka)   2011-01-16 22:09:00
这种如果如果的推论没什么意义吧...
作者: stja (风)   2011-01-16 22:11:00
季后赛真的差很大 而且老虎还撑到最后一轮
作者: pickoff   2011-01-16 22:25:00
天使这种阵容抢炉主会被笑死...季初多少人看好
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:37:00
Trout无法帮球队进季后赛? 被投手败掉的好吗讲得好像Trout毫无建树一样
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:38:00
老虎能进季后赛也不全是米糕的功劳啦
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:39:00
要这样说怎么不提米糕烙赛烙掉WS
作者: borriss (松)   2011-01-16 22:39:00
普人版6月到11月一共四篇文 大家都忘掉了
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2011-01-16 22:42:00
总版热烈很多
作者: gonzalez0528 (已经回国啦~~)   2011-01-16 22:47:00
给msn 请告诉我哪一队可以靠一个人进季后赛?还有 票选在何时截止 您知道吗? 关WS什么事?
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:48:00
你应该问五楼那个 我可没说哪队可以靠一人进季后赛
作者: yankeefat (本人内建试制51cm连装砲)   2011-01-16 22:49:00
只是从你们最爱的WAR下去看而已
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2011-01-16 22:53:00
先别说五楼了 你知道何时截止票选吗
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:57:00
跟选MVP无关啊 不爽某人把球队胜败都推到一人身上罢了
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-16 22:58:00
一直酸还要人别引战 zz
作者: jackylfc (Jacky)   2011-01-16 23:27:00
好像老虎只靠卡布就能近季后赛啦
作者: frank47147 (少朋)   2011-01-16 23:42:00
结果季赛MVP 还是比较看重季后赛
作者: OoyaoO (你今天崩潰了嗎 囧)   2011-01-16 23:45:00
这边的季后赛的意思指的是有没有进 不是季后赛的表现如何
作者: shawncarter (Duffy Huang)   2011-01-17 00:14:00
这里的重点是八月九月两个人一个upside一个downside
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 01:04:00
讲说米糕让出三垒给防守更好著者这种蠢话
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 01:06:00
让出DH给强打者更帮助球队。当老爹不重要吗?
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 01:09:00
这位M兄以为他独排众议多有料咧 科科
作者: okinawa8 (ekao)   2011-01-17 01:23:00
今年老虎DH打最多的杨大猛OPS+才89是能多有贡献等老虎有老爹你再来说吧 科科
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 03:01:00
等你知道杨大猛的季后赛HR有多关键再来说吧 科比
作者: okinawa8 (ekao)   2011-01-17 04:26:00
拿季后赛来讲季赛还真趣味咧 06田口壮季后超猛你要不要天天放他上去?
作者: live4132 (赵汝浩)   2011-01-17 05:32:00
帮球队进季后赛又不是只靠一个人...好队友更重要好吗
作者: live4132 (赵汝浩)   2011-01-17 05:34:00
这理由真是有够无言的= =
作者: colin79813 (kjam)   2011-01-17 10:35:00
给强打公务员一个MVP过份嘛??
作者: lwei781 (nap til morning?)   2011-01-17 11:35:00
又不是天天 SHO 的 SP......
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 14:23:00
拿田口比杨大猛还真是好笑
作者: JessicaA1ba (桑拉)   2011-01-17 14:26:00
鱼惨败MVP就担心得要命真是有趣

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