[情报] M.V.P. WAR ERUPTS OVER WAR

楼主: abc12812   2012-10-29 13:15:32
http://www.murraychass.com/?p=5405
The winners of the post-season awards won’t be known for a couple of weeks,
but the debate over the American League most valuable player is already
heated and figures only to get hotter. It should come as no surprise that
new-age statistics are generating the heat.
MVP之争的话题大概还会再吵一阵子
Proponents of WAR, which means “wins above replacement,” insist that the
Angels’ terrific rookie Mike Trout should obviously win the award. Those of
us who use common sense, not common statistics, say the winner should be the
Tigers’ Miguel Cabrera.
WAR的信徒坚持Trout是明显的选择
而用常识判断的我们认为得主是Cabrera
The Trout supporters would vote for him because he had the top WAR rating
among all players. That thinking only reinforces my view that to satisfy
stats zealots a list of statistics should be used to determine award winners
and Hall of Famers. No voters would be needed.
Trout支持者用WAR判断 这更证实了我的看法: 数据狂只想用一系列的数字决定奖项和
名人堂 而把票选排除掉
First in WAR, first for m.v.p. Establish statistical criteria for the Hall of
Fame and induct the players who clear the statistical hurdles. The reason the
stats zealots would like this system is it would eliminate members of the
Baseball Writers Association as voters.
数据狂用数据作为判断MVP/名人堂的分水岭 他们喜欢这套系统 因为这可以排除
作家协会的票选
That’s right, the stats zealots are envious of the baseball writers because
they get to vote for these things and the zealots don’t. That is not to say
that new-age statistics haven’t started creeping into the award decisions of
some of the BBWAA voters, presumably the younger, less experienced ones.
是的 因为他们忌妒记者有票选权而他们没有 当然现在数据也慢慢渗透到
某些记者协会的成员 可能是那些比较年轻没有经验的人
But why Cabrera over Trout? Cabrera gave baseball a Triple Crown winner for
the first time in 45 years, making his achievement a rare feat. Cabrera led
the Tigers to a division championship and the playoffs. On the day the Tigers
clinched, Cabrera had four hits, including a home run.
为什么Cabrera胜过Trout? Cabrera是45年来第一位三冠王 带领老虎进入季后赛
封王战四安打一轰
Most valuable players often come from teams that get to the post-season.
Arguments can be made about the relative value of players to their teams, but
if one candidate leads his team to the playoffs and another candidate doesn’
t, the latter player’s value comes into question.
最有价值球员通常来自季后赛球队 没带球队进季后赛的球员价值如何和
有进季后赛的相比?
As good as Trout was this year, what did he do for the Angels? They were only
on the fringe of the American League West race, and they began dropping back
in the A.L. wild-card race in mid-August and getting back in it when it was
too late.
Trout再好 天使表现如何? 他们只能勉强算有竞争季后赛 而当八月中后就开始劳赛
The Tigers had to fight all season to dislodge the Chicago White Sox from
first place, and Cabrera was in the forefront of their fight.
老虎整季都在和白袜竞争 而Cabrera是老虎的老大
I don’t know how the vote will come out, but I saw the other day that
another writer took up the case against the zealots. Writing on ESPN.com,
Peter Blake of ESPN The Magazine said:
我不知道最后票选结果会如何 但我看到又一位作家对数据派开砲
在ESPN上:
“I’ve had just about enough of this sabermetric correctness pervading the
debate about who should win the AL MVP. Miguel Cabrera won MLB’s first
Triple Crown in 45 years, but support for his candidacy has been called ‘
Luddite,’ ‘a backlash against progress,’ ‘irresponsible’ and a ‘mistake.
’ New-breed statheads seem to think it’s simply irrational that anyone
other than Mike Trout could be most valuable.
“Well, I hate to break it to my fellow professional geeks, but they are
utterly wrong in how they’re thinking about this argument. As a result, they
’ve rushed to judgment in anointing Trout.
“Many Trout backers are using a stat called Wins Above Replacement to
capture the broad swath of the superstar rookie’s talents. WAR is an
ubermetric that measures how many wins a player contributed to his team
compared with a replacement-level player, based on his value at the plate, on
the bases and in the field. This season, Trout amassed, according to
Baseball-Reference.com, a whopping 10.7 WAR — one of the 50 highest marks in
modern baseball history. Cabrera finished with 6.9 WAR.”
"我受够那些无视Cabrera三冠王的数据派了 他们好像认为Trout以外的选择都是不合理的"
"Trout的WAR胜过Cabrera......"
I wasn’t able to read the rest of the piece because it required being an “
ESPN Insider” and I am not an ESPN Insider. For all I know, somewhere in the
rest of the piece the writer might completely reverse his view. I hope he didn
’t; it’s heartening to read someone who hasn’t gone over to the dark side.
我没有ESPN的帐号所以没看完全部文章 据我所知 他文章的某段有完全相反的看法
我希望他不是这么写
One added note: Some critics of the m.v.p. voting have called for a more
precise definition of m.v.p. What they basically want is for the award to go
to the best player, the one with the best statistics (although I would ask
which ones).
另外 有些MVP票选批评者希望有更好衡量MVP的方式 他们的意思是直接颁奖给数据最好
的那位 (虽然我会问说: 是哪个数据?)
To me, the beauty of the BBWAA’s m.v.p. voting is it challenges voters to
study and think about the contributions players made to the success of their
teams. It raises interesting questions, too.
对我而言 票选最好的地方是它让投票员思考最有"价值"这个有趣的问题
Should Trout, for example, be penalized in m.v.p. consideration because the
Angels weren’t good enough to take advantage of what he did for them? In
Prince Fielder, did Cabrera have more help in helping the Tigers win than
Trout had from any of his teammates?
举例来说 Trout应该因为天使的战绩而被低估吗? Cabrera是否从肥王子身上
得到比Trout更多的帮助
What fans and new-age nerds should understand, if they don’t already, is
most valuable players is not the same as player of the year. Player of the
year is much simpler to decide, and – who knows? – maybe Trout is the
player of the year. But he is not the most valuable player, no matter what
WAR says. WAR, you see, does not have a vote in this election.
数据宅要了解 最有价值球员不等于年度球员 年度球员比较容易决定-谁知道-
或许Trout是年度球员 但他不是最有价值球员 不管WAR怎么说
WAR没有投票权
作者: cd12631 (<(◥█◤△◥█◤)>)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
还要继续这话题喔 吵了快3个月了
作者: dudu5566 (仁甫哥超MAN!!!)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
三冠王在WS还不是烙赛烙爽爽
作者: kira1205 (角落绞肉)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
先别管MVP了 你听过功夫熊猫吗?
作者: mikeneko (三毛猫)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
WS打完了,总要找点新鲜的来吵
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
可以得MVP的唯一数据 BBWAA的选票
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
这话题腻了 ˊ_>ˋ
作者: live4132 (赵汝浩)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
数据狂怎样都比印象派好
作者: PlayStation3 (超级喜欢于小文)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
跑垒守备都没有传统数据,三冠王倒是有传统数据ˊ_>
作者: okinawa8 (ekao)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
用常识想Trout才是MVP吧..有打率会上垒有速度有砲瓦手套
作者: PlayStation3 (超级喜欢于小文)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
盗垒应该能算,不过那个真能估计出跑垒综合价值吗
作者: okinawa8 (ekao)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
还镀金...
作者: goopa (除此之外)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
先别管MVP了 你听过神龙大侠吗?
作者: newest (C'est la vie~)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
先别管MVP了 你听过神龙大侠吗?
作者: ysfang623 (芋頭(BOY))   0000-00-00 00:00:00
熊猫:i don`t care
作者: ocean11 (深海)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
WAR还是先统一自己各种流派吧 不然10个人10种WAR怎么评
作者: flycat638 (飞猫)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
天使:不然我们来换分区啊= =!!!
作者: popoliii (婊子的男人)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
没有绝对吧 不需要拿着单一数据就当做圣经
作者: orion1991830 (鸡哩咕噜希哩哗啦吱吱喳)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
神龙大侠:美联一个能打得都没有
作者: yslin6 (fool)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
三冠王拿不到MVP大概也会成为世界奇观吧?没意外是米糕MVP
作者: jaysuzuki (我要成为核心王)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
MVP太晚颁了吧,WS冠军都出来了还在争,都没FU了
作者: jaysuzuki (我要成为核心王)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
谁在跟你常识,自己主观想法硬要加于别人身上最是恐怖
作者: danman (共邑成)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
有速度有砲瓦手套还镀金结果球队连个外卡都拿不到 科科
作者: deepthroat (企鹅)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
三冠王拿不到MVP就叫世界奇观 那世界奇观也太常见了
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
Ted Williams: 有人叫我吗
作者: stussy (三重福山雅治)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
三冠王隔了半世纪才出现 哪里常见
作者: lookers (实体店面 货到付款 宅配)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
到底哪里常见??
作者: dehong   0000-00-00 00:00:00
讲的好像老虎的战绩比天使好 更何况一个在美中一个在美西
作者: wincecarter   0000-00-00 00:00:00
常见XDDDDD
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
MVP又是不选打击王 肥卡布守备跑垒大概只赢肥王子
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
又来一个年度球员,那请问跟MVP的分别是?
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
银棒奖不看打击,金手套不看防守,汉克阿伦不看全垒
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
打,要这些奖干嘛? 干!
作者: wildmemory (晴晴我的爱)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
废文
作者: Caryniko (遇见)   0000-00-00 00:00:00
干脆设立一个 WarVP奖好了~ 不然以后谁War最高直接领MVP

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