[外电] Info - Ball's Shooting

楼主: JoelEmbiid (JoelEmbiid)   2019-01-13 18:01:35
原标题:Lonzo Ball's Shooting Is a Serious Problem for LA Lakers
LOS ANGELES — With LeBron James sidelined with a groin injury since Christmas,
the Los Angeles Lakers have needed more from their younger stars, especially
second-year point guard Lonzo Ball.
L.James至从圣诞节大战鼠蹊部拉伤后,在L.James缺阵这段时间,湖人需要young core能
跳出来对球队有更多的贡献,尤其是二年级生L.Ball。
Ball, who has struggled to shoot consistently since joining the NBA as the 2017
second overall pick, has improved to 40.7 percent from the field after hitting
just 36 percent of his shots as a rookie. He's not a good shooter, but he's
made some progress.
作为一个2017年的榜眼,从进入NBA后对于投篮一直非常的挣扎,目前已从上一季36%进步
到截至目前为止的40%。L.Ball仍然不是一个好的Shooter,但可见有一些的进步。
Where Ball needs to massively improve is at the free-throw line, where his
shooting has made Shaquille O'Neal look like Steph Curry.
Through five games played in 2019, Ball has really slumped, hitting just two of
11 attempts (18.2 percent), even eliciting boos at Staples Center. It's
surprising that teams haven't looked to intentionally foul Ball, like O'Neal
before him when it was called "Hack-a-Shaq."
目前为止L.Ball被最为诟病的是罚球线的命中率,近五场比赛在罚球线上11投2中罚球命中
率更只有18.2%,更让他在主场遭受到球迷的嘘声。只是比较意外是,L.Ball没有遭遇到骇
客战术。
He's dropped to just 41.3 percent on the season. Ball seems to just slump his
shoulders of late, looking completely drained. It may be a good thing he only
attempts 1.1 per game, although coach Luke Walton doesn't necessarily agree.
L.Ball截至目前罚球命中率只有41.3%,但还好L.Ball平均每场只会站上罚球线1.1次。
"In practice, he'll sit there and make 25, 30 out of 35. He sits there, and
he'll hit them," Walton said. "Some people only go [to the line] twice a game
or once every other game, and then that's tough to get into a real rhythm at
the line. With him, I think the more he gets there, the more comfortable he'll
become."
L.Walton认为可能一场比赛只会上罚球线一次,因此很难到节奏罚球线上的节奏,相信
L.Ball如果获得更多上罚球线的机会,他的节奏将会越来越好。
What can Walton and his staff do to help Ball improve at the line?
"It's hard to really tweak things during the season," Walton said. "It's
different for everybody. Some people go through mental blocks."
而教练团该如何帮助L.Ball提升他的罚球命中率?L.Walton说到现在在赛季中真的很难调整
,而有些人则只是对罚球线有心理障碍。
That's the problem. Ball didn't get any time to work on his shooting over the
last offseason, recovering from a knee injury. More than any Laker, and maybe
more than anyone else in the NBA, Ball needs a long, productive offseason with
a player-development coach to work on his fundamentals.
上个休赛期L.Ball专注于膝盖伤势的复原,让他没有一个很完整的休赛期针对投篮进行训
练。对Ball跟湖人需要一个完整的休赛期,让球员发展教练陪着Ball一起建立基础。
That's not to say his odd shooting form needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
Habits are hard to break, and Ball will probably never have a traditional shot.
But he needs to put in significant reps on footwork, balance and timing.
但这不代表需要把L.Ball的投篮机制砍掉整个重建,习惯是难以改变的。也许你不会看到
L.Ball有着正规的投篮机制,但是需要针对L.Ball的footwork、balance、timing进行训练

"He's been shooting like that for his whole life. If he starts trying to
significantly change his form, it'll probably lead to an injury," one video
analyst said.
一位影片分析说如果L.Ball已经习惯这样的投篮方式,如果去改变他的投篮机制,说不定
可能导致受伤。
Can a point guard be successful in this league shooting below 50 percent from
the line?
在NBA中有谁罚球命中率低于50%,但是是一名不错的控球后卫?
Fellow Lakers point guard Rajon Rondo has had his share of similar struggles.
The four-time All-Star has shot 60.4 percent over his career, and in the
2014-15 season, he hit just 39.7 percent. Rondo doesn't get to the line much
either, but he's still a productive, if limited, floor general.
有的,就是L.Ball队友R.Rondo。R.Rondo也是在罚球线上有着挣扎的表现,这位四度入选
全明星赛的控卫生涯罚球命中率只有60.4%,其中2014-15赛季罚球命中率更只有39.7%。但
R.Rondo在罚球线上的表现,并没有影响他在场上是一个优秀控卫该有的表现。
Ball's outside shooting has slightly improved this season from 30.5 percent to
33.3 percent. That's still subpar, but if he can climb to about 36 percent,
he'll help the Lakers win a lot of games—especially when sharing the court
with James.
L.Ball本季的外围投射从上赛季30.5%进步到本季的33.3%,但目前的进步还是不够,如果
他能进步到36%将会为湖人取得更多的胜利,并搭配着L.James在场上的组织分享球权。
Without James and Rondo, the young Lakers have been forced to adapt. Ball has
improved over the last two games after going scoreless in a 108-86 loss to the
Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday, responding with 21 points (4-of-8 from three)
the following night versus the Dallas Mavericks.
He wasn't going to replicate that hot shooting against the Detroit Pistons on
Wednesday, but his 11 assists coupled with aggressive defense helped the Lakers
get the 113-100 victory.
湖人的小将们现在只能适应球队在缺少L.James与R.Rondo的情况下去打比赛,而在面对达
拉斯独行侠时L.Ball砍下21分,其中有着8投4中的三分球。而面对底特律活塞时,不能维
持着良好的手感,但他提供11次助攻以及防守端的表现来帮助湖人以113比110击败活赛取
得胜利。
Ball is a rare player who can make a significant impact on a game while scoring
just five points. In almost 35 minutes while he was on the floor, the Lakers
outpaced Detroit by 24 points, as Ball put the clamps on Blake Griffin on
switches—yes, Blake Griffin.
在面对底特律活塞的比赛时,可以看到L.Ball在球场上整体的影响力,虽然只拿到5分,但
是L.Ball上场时间来到35分钟且在场上的正负值高达+24为全队最高,而活塞的B.Griffin
的正负值则为-22。
When he's fully engaged, Ball can be one of the best players in a game,
despite his inability to consistently finish at either the basket or
free-throw line. That's why he can't let a poor shooting night take him out of
his game. He's not a good shooter. He's going to have a lot of off nights.
尽管L.Ball的Finish跟罚球很差,但他还是可以对整场球赛有着一定程度的影响力,他不
是一个好的shooter,但每场球赛还是不能缺少他。
Ball has some similarities to retired All-Star Jason Kidd. Although Kidd was a
far more ball-dominant point guard than Ball, in his second season, Kidd only
shot 38.1 percent from the field and 33.6 percent from three-point range. At
his shooting peak, he hit 42.5 percent from deep in the 2009-10 season, well
above his career average of 34.9 percent.
虽然J.Kidd的控场能力比L.Ball来得更好,但J.Kidd生涯的第二赛季投篮命中率只有38.1%
,而三分命中率只有33.6%。而J.Kidd生涯最高的三分命中率是在2009-10赛季时的42.5%,
远高于J.Kidd生涯的三分命中率34.9%。
It took Kidd over a decade to find his shot. Now that the Lakers have James,
they're suddenly in win-now mode. They may not have time to wait for Ball to
find a consistent jumper or free throw, especially if teams are able to take
advantage of his inability to shoot in the postseason.
J.Kidd花了十年才找到他的投篮,但湖人拥有LBJ后,已经从坦队转变成Win-now的球队,
这样的转换,让球队没有更多的时间去等待L.Ball找到投篮,尤其是到季后赛对手可能针
对L.Ball无法投篮的问题加以放大。
Walton and his teammates have encouraged Ball to be more of an aggressive
scorer and he has looked to shoot more within 10 feet of the basket.
Per NBA.com, Ball is attacking in that range on 38.1 percent of his attempts,
up from last year's 31.6 percent. Ball is also converting at a higher clip as
well, up from 52.2 percent to 55.4 percent.
L.Walton和队友都鼓励L.Ball成为一个有攻击性的控卫,并且希望他距离10呎内有更多的
投篮,根据目前官网的数据,目前10呎内的命中率从去年的31.6%上升到本季的38.1%,而
8呎内的投篮命中率则从去年的52.2%上升至55.4%。
-数据整理-
2018-19 2017-18
5ft以内 56.3% 46.0%
5-9ft 25.0% 30.0%
10-14ft 16.7% 40.0%
15-19ft 29.4% 36.0%
20-24ft 27.0% 35.5%
25-29ft 36.4% 29.6%
L.Ball 2018-19投篮命中率与投篮分布图
https://i.imgur.com/xMYElod.jpg
(投篮命中率右边底角命中率应为15.8%,官网数据错误。)
Would the Lakers see an even bigger jump from Ball at the basket if he could
also convert at the line?
"It seems like that's true, but that's just me trying to get into his head,"
another video analyst said.
Ball may not even consciously know but he needs to be a credible scoring threat
for the Lakers, especially as the team moves on past the regular season.
L.Ball可能还没意识到他需要让自己变成一个可靠的得分手,尤其是进入到季后赛时。
作者: RickyRubio09 (神童)   2019-01-13 18:03:00
我疼:心理障碍啦 调整有信心就好
作者: andy82116 (哭哭鲨鱼)   2019-01-13 18:10:00
话说虽然Ball的罚球跟屎一样 但LBJ缺阵一球在手的打法三分命中率可以达到40% 他比较擅长从弧顶投球而不是底角 之后可以调整看看
作者: andy776661 (真的很忙)   2019-01-13 18:11:00
罚球命中率33.6那边 应该是三分命中率Kidd那段Ball是真的有进步啦 不过看得出来半场阵地战还是要多琢磨
作者: goldenlen   2019-01-13 18:17:00
推~
作者: showshine   2019-01-13 18:34:00
投篮30分进步到50分 多加油吧
作者: goodblessu (BTRFOO)   2019-01-13 18:48:00
认真说第一年的数据不输Kidd多少,就是罚球差太多。但Kidd当年可是新人王,不知道当时篮网球迷有没有认为Kidd的进攻是史诗级的烂?
作者: iandol   2019-01-13 18:50:00
Kidd还是比Ball强太多 至少他能让篮网进步很多胜
作者: goodblessu (BTRFOO)   2019-01-13 18:50:00
不对,Kidd一开始是在小牛...我忘了
作者: goodblessu (BTRFOO)   2019-01-13 18:51:00
一直觉得Kidd的切入超强,都没发现生涯命中率满低
作者: Dex5566 (德克斯特)   2019-01-13 18:52:00
作者: goodblessu (BTRFOO)   2019-01-13 18:54:00
Kidd去篮网那年是生涯第10年,已经28岁,进入颠峰。
作者: iandol   2019-01-13 18:54:00
Kidd加入小牛就让小牛从13胜进步到36胜 这点Ball拍马也追不上
作者: goodblessu (BTRFOO)   2019-01-13 18:56:00
这就是真正All-Star的影响力吧
作者: yuxds (cody)   2019-01-13 18:56:00
以前的年代 队伍平均得分应该没现在高吧
作者: iandol   2019-01-13 18:59:00
后来Kidd到太阳第一年只打了23场 那年太阳40胜 隔年Kidd全勤打了82场 太阳也飞天变成56胜
作者: violing613 (house..my pet......)   2019-01-13 19:00:00
网当时几乎是老基专属 水行侠的前身就在当时老基旁边
作者: iandol   2019-01-13 19:01:00
后来去篮网也是直接从26胜拉到52胜 这根本鬼神控卫阿!!当你有办法让球队从大烂队变成强队 命中率罚球再烂都没差
作者: violing613 (house..my pet......)   2019-01-13 19:03:00
另外网那两年都是防守第一的球队防守好就能多推防反
作者: andy776661 (真的很忙)   2019-01-13 19:14:00
多少要考虑到那时候的防守战 跟现在PACE变高 数据通膨的影响
作者: asdf151512 (筆者)   2019-01-13 19:18:00
其实认真讲,现在球员的平均水准真的比较高很难再有一个球员只手遮天的情况了君不见现在争冠级球队几乎都有双核~三核
作者: andy776661 (真的很忙)   2019-01-13 19:23:00
应该说现在争冠球队标配都至少双核以上 才很难看到球员只手遮天吧 也许爆气可以过一轮 但连续两三轮都单核打双巨以上 气条再长都不够用
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-13 19:26:00
三分线就两边底角拖累太多
作者: chrisplash (0.0)   2019-01-13 19:27:00
有一段翻译错了,讲Kidd生涯最高投篮命中率42.5%那是三分命中率,连带后面也是
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-13 19:28:00
他大学不太会投这位置
作者: hasebe (煮熟的番茄)   2019-01-13 19:28:00
可怕的是罚球好的明年应该全不在XD
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-13 19:29:00
尤其他现在不是非持球者的时候会去蹲底线
作者: hasebe (煮熟的番茄)   2019-01-13 19:29:00
以前夺冠队也是双核以上阿,MJ-皮朋、OK、马刺、老大大嫂
作者: andy776661 (真的很忙)   2019-01-13 19:30:00
如果真的明年有AD的话 中锋可能就是湖人罚球组了
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-13 19:30:00
以前双人组够用 现在要三个起跳
作者: sun0912758 (cabinet)   2019-01-13 19:31:00
Ball这几场打的真的好 没话说 如果命中率能到45趴 三分37趴 绝对是一个明星 很看好他
作者: hasebe (煮熟的番茄)   2019-01-13 19:31:00
严格来说冠军队连替补都很威,只是老大老二光芒太强XD
楼主: JoelEmbiid (JoelEmbiid)   2019-01-13 19:32:00
接近单核应该只有小牛夺冠那届
作者: Arkham (阿卡汉)   2019-01-13 19:33:00
罚球只有4成出头最近更跌到1成然后说是节奏问题.....我疼真的是乐观啊!
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-13 19:34:00
小牛那年季后赛一堆人超进化变核了
作者: taker627 (你马英九吗?)   2019-01-13 19:42:00
心灵鸡汤灌起来
作者: kobelouli (高速PCB)   2019-01-13 19:47:00
罚球鸟成这样还说这样的话真的是满乐观的
作者: teruhyde12 (KKOBE)   2019-01-13 19:55:00
每个时代的打法都不会一样,现在的控卫复制kidd的成绩,也不可能达到kidd的成就,ball的进攻“一定”要比kidd好,我们再来讨论他的未来
作者: IngramBrando (IG)   2019-01-13 20:06:00
推~
作者: andy82116 (哭哭鲨鱼)   2019-01-13 20:22:00
现在控卫都要能攻击 得分后卫反而一堆防守型的放放冷箭不是攻击重点 Jordan/Kobe在这时代可能会被叫做双能卫然后去占控卫额度
作者: iandol   2019-01-13 20:27:00
事实上Kobe跟Jordan还真的去打过控卫 不过我还是觉得让他们专门进攻应该会队球队更好 虽然打控卫数据不错
作者: ebey30918 (Horo)   2019-01-13 21:00:00
为什么会有退步的呀@@
作者: Lakers24 (湖人)   2019-01-13 21:02:00
疼总真不愧专业讲干话XD
作者: DevilMayCry4 (Dante)   2019-01-13 21:37:00
Ball这季的命中率上升觉得是因为LBJ到来,获得灌篮跟快攻上篮变多的关系或许跟他上半身变壮也有关系?上季上篮只要有人稍微接触到他他就放枪
作者: andy82116 (哭哭鲨鱼)   2019-01-13 21:42:00
LBJ缺阵的9场 Ball的二分命中率没有变化太多但还是比去年准 整体而言Ball的数据都比去年好
作者: hydegaga (纪念品)   2019-01-13 21:53:00
我觉得跟这年代的球风也有点关系(跟kidd比的话
作者: bibyy (比比)   2019-01-13 21:58:00
去年那样成绩很难更差了
作者: Lakers24 (湖人)   2019-01-13 22:03:00
球其他是不错,但是这进攻真接受不了.....湖人想走更远除了姆斯以外球很关键
作者: yoman860919 (Dloading)   2019-01-13 22:46:00
不改进到季后赛球跟IG应该轮流被骇XD
作者: BanJarvan4 (不解釋)   2019-01-13 22:51:00
湖人这季主要持球者罚球都挺惨的
作者: ying761127 (想念是一种甜蜜)   2019-01-13 22:59:00
小牛那届不算单核吧...
作者: BanJarvan4 (不解釋)   2019-01-13 23:02:00
小牛那季季前很不被看好啊 赢热火之后才开始说多核
作者: accjm2440 (呜呜)   2019-01-13 23:02:00
论 核的定义
作者: NinJa (fine~)   2019-01-13 23:03:00
罚球最基本的东西 结果现在看他们投3分都要比罚球稳是怎样
作者: andy82116 (哭哭鲨鱼)   2019-01-13 23:14:00
隔壁拨个蛋至今只miss一颗罚球 真心猛啊
作者: dwiee (K&L)   2019-01-13 23:16:00
投篮教练那时要请啊 光靠烧草+冥想没什么用欸团队罚球倒数第一 ,很难说服人 这招有用
作者: thindust (tough day)   2019-01-13 23:33:00
四少里只有他变准一点 蛮怪的 照理说有人吸怪会准一点
作者: ebv   2019-01-13 23:49:00
Kuz练投500颗就变新闻 是否表示其他人.. 要再加油吧!
作者: chefM   2019-01-14 01:15:00
不改姿势感觉没救,不懂改个投篮动作就会受伤是什么鬼逻辑
作者: samsam80821 (歪的)   2019-01-14 01:39:00
他是说如果阿
作者: mingbayf (不想这样)   2019-01-14 02:30:00
Walton说不用担心因为Lonzo练习的时候投35罚球能进25到30球,那也是非常烂好吗!
作者: Solid4 (Pedot)   2019-01-14 06:39:00
做为参考: https://imgur.com/QxhnyZCPau生涯75%、有Howard这年70%,如果Lonzo练习有80%那还OK35*.8=28 刚好在Walton所谓的练习没问题都是心理之前有人讲过我湖站上罚球线都不深呼吸直接投的,可能也有关系吧当年团队罚球命中率也是惨烈,不过那至少原因明确XD
作者: KarlTowns (Karl)   2019-01-14 06:54:00
加油
作者: hasebe (煮熟的番茄)   2019-01-14 07:51:00
小牛那年是平均战力高,但论星只有司机论星星只有司机
作者: holyhelm (老鹰 鸭霸 西米露)   2019-01-14 08:11:00
上面的白板也显示场上罚球次数少的命中率容易大烙赛跟我疼讲的相符督歪和欧肥时代我湖团队FT%都不到七成 都是一人拖垮今年是大家都鸟
作者: LBJKO   2019-01-14 08:48:00
其实Shaq关键时刻罚球都能把握,但我印象有球员说过练习时罚球要超过8成以上是"基本"
作者: bibyy (比比)   2019-01-14 09:00:00
之前不是连魔兽罚球练习都超过八成了
作者: Solid4 (Pedot)   2019-01-14 09:03:00
就上面这张图啊,得出来的重点是平平练习8成会有场上70%跟
作者: bangch (BANG)   2019-01-14 09:04:00
模拟考型球员魔兽 正式考试都烙赛
作者: Solid4 (Pedot)   2019-01-14 09:04:00
场上50%的差别。话又说回来投篮教练可以提供意见的不只是投篮的出手动作,如何训练肌肉记忆、罚球前调整呼吸这些
作者: LBJKO   2019-01-14 09:06:00
对 其实投篮教练真的重要 尤其我们罚这么烂的状况下
作者: Solid4 (Pedot)   2019-01-14 09:06:00
都是练习跟实战罚球的差异,你找个心理辅导都好,烧鼠尾草听起来就是最废最懒的选项之一
作者: LBJKO   2019-01-14 09:07:00
不过真的替Phil叫屈 Luke烧尾草那个不是学他,是学半套Phil是助教团里都有投篮教练 心理层面是辅助的
作者: zz25678606   2019-01-14 09:41:00
一个罚球跟三分命中率差不多的概念
作者: micbrimac (shark)   2019-01-14 10:53:00
我球练习实战转换率超高~ 没有心理层面的问题~
作者: jaholin (JH)   2019-01-14 11:53:00
EVEN心理作用,难道你就只会说,要有信心,你可以的,加油
作者: blackmamba24 (阿纬)   2019-01-14 13:40:00
BALL这种投篮 在这年代就是废到笑 传球视野再强也没啥用 哀~
作者: kaede0711 (kaede)   2019-01-14 17:39:00
膝盖受伤真的很可惜,如果有完整休赛季训练他进步应该会更明显
作者: theowing (La Dolce Vita)   2019-01-15 01:28:00
季中很难调整听起来很像干话啊 那季前/季初的时候在干嘛不要跟我说他练习9成 实战4成 明明就很明显的缺点讲的好像第一天发现一样伤势加上季前微改姿势 教练团完全没有盯着进度?

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