※ 引述《Archerfish (Af)》之铭言：
: : 3:俾斯麦号的确是自沉.............照英国海军可悲的火药事实上要打穿俾斯麦只有16.
: : ....(当时14吋就算平面水平射没办法).2方面是卑斯麦的水面设计本身沿袭了ww1的浴缸
: : 设计.让妳上面打瘫了还是可以让妳回家(所以看资料可以发现被围炉同时实际上砲塔都
: : 被打掉了但是就是没办法打沉).
: : 推 Archerfish: 英国砲穿俾斯麦无压力... 05/28 22:45
: 后来想想我这句话大概会引起误会....
: 我想表达的是在小麦最后海战那种距离,英国炮要穿透主装并没有问题
: 实际上在俾斯麦残骸的主装上就有四个穿孔
: 小麦的主装才320还是垂直布置
: 而即使是相对差劲的乔五14吋在九千米都有快400的垂直穿深
: 不过如果把击穿定义为击穿主装＋穹甲进入核心舱
: 则很可能并未发生 两者结合的防护力还是刚刚的
: 主装上著弹数少则反应了当时较近的距离及俾斯麦浸水而降低了干舷
: 多数砲弹打在上层建筑的状况
用时间表你大概会搞懂你的问题在哪
27 May 1941 / 0847
Rodney’s two forward 16” (40.6 cm) turrets opened fire, joined shortly
after by the main guns of King George V. The distance was 21,870 yards
(20,000 m).
(第1次接战距离.罗德尼优先开火)
27 May 1941 / 0849
Bismarck opened fire with her 15” (38 cm) forward main turrets. Lütjens
ordered that fire be concentrated first against Rodney and then King George
V, but the battleship’s after turrets could not be brought to bear on the
targets. Lindemann could turn his ship northward towards the enemy only by
engaging his port engine. The adversaries were closing at a combined speed of
25 knots and range quickly fell to 20,000 yards (18,288 m). One shell from
Bismarck’s second salvo landed a mere 60’ from the bridge of HMS Rodney
showering the decks with seawater.
At first, Rodney’s 16” (40.6 cm) guns caused extensive damage to itself.
The concussion of the powerful guns prompted water pipes to burst, cast-iron
fittings and beams to crack and tile decking to shatter. Hundreds of water
leaks sprang up, bolts and rivets popped loose, furniture overturned, lockers
and wires were torn loose, light bulbs and ceramic toilets were smashed, and
urinals were blown off bulkheads.
The guns on King George V suffered from the same issues that plagued Prince
of Wales on the morning of 24 May. At one point, A turret ceased firing for
30 minutes due to a mechanical malfunction – all four guns in the turret
were therefore out of action. Y turret was out of action for several minutes.
In addition, individual guns were inoperative when a shell rammer failed,
flash doors jammed or a shell hoist seized up. Parts fractured and others
were found to be missing altogether. Breech mechanisms jammed and a cordite
bag failed to explode, putting its gun out of action for half an hour.
(OK.我们可以知道KGV又发生神么问题了)
27 May 1941 / 0913
Bismarck’s aft director was destroyed by a 14” (35.6 cm) shell from HMS
King George V. Therefore, C and D turrets proceeded under local control to
fire at Rodney. At the same time, Rodney fired six torpedoes against Bismarck
with no hits.
(此时如果有看作战航迹图.就会发现接战距离开始慢慢缩短.此时距离大约1万码左右...)
27 May 1941 / 0931
Bismarck’s C turret fired its last salvo. The doomed battleship’s main guns
were out of action. A number of secondary guns were still in action, but not
for long. The Bismarck had lost her fighting capability.
Rodney closed in on the German battleship. From distances between 2,730 yards
(2,500 m) and 4,370 yards (4,000 m), she continued to fire at the Bismarck
with all nine 16” (40.6 cm) guns.
(我们看到的水平装甲撕裂伤怎么来的?就是这距离........)
从战斗的接战位置以及航迹来看.是慢慢拉近.但是只有将上部战斗部打毁.船体本身.....
: : 透过自己炸掉船底锅炉发动机一带来达成大量进水.这样的话19分钟的确是可以快速进水
: : (毕竟这玩意=A-10是各装甲澡盆.不透过炸底进水是沉不了............)
: 在俾斯麦炸船底的时间段,同时也有英军的鱼雷命中
: 两者都会造成进水,应该无法认定哪一个单一因素造成翻沉的结果
: 另外个人觉得小麦的防护设计不太够格称为装甲澡盆...
: 同时期各国采用装甲盒设计的新战舰对于水下弹防护的考虑都更为周到
: 即使是乔五这个便宜缺陷货 主装在水下的延伸长度也较多
: 装甲盒设计也有利于储备浮力（老美那些断头巡洋
27 May 1941 / 1000
The Bismarck was a floating wreck with decks and superstructure destroyed,
fires raging throughout the ship and hundreds of casualties scattered
throughout. According to survivors, the horror of seeing wounded and dying
friends and comrades amongst mutilated body parts could not be described with
words. Rodney had fired 380 16” (40.6 cm) shells and 716 6” (15.2 cm)
shells at her. King George V fired 339 rounds of 14” (35.6 cm) and 660
rounds of 5.5” (14 cm) ammunition. Norfolk and Sheffield had pumped 780
rounds of 8” (20.3 cm) shells at her. Shortly after 1000, Norfolk launched
four torpedoes from around 3,940 yards (3,600 m), one possibly hitting the
starboard side.
Bismarck’s first officer, Fregattenkapitän Hans Oels, made his way to
Section XIII on the battery deck where he ordered his sailors to take care of
themselves. ‘Comrades, we can no longer fire our guns and anyway we have no
more ammunition. Our hour has come. We must abandon ship. She will be
scuttled. All hands to the upper deck.’
In the engine room, Kapitänleutnant (Ing.) Junack assumed command. He
ordered all bulkhead doors to the shaft alleys opened and nine minute fuses
set for the scuttling charges. ‘Prepare ship for scuttling!’ Junack then
ordered his men up to the main deck.
Then came the order: ‘Abandon ship! Ship is to be sunk!’ Elsewhere,
survivors also recalled hearing, ‘Clear ship for scuttling. Apply explosive
charges.’ Those who heard the abandon ship order gathered in small groups,
hurled lifeboats off the upper deck into the ocean and then jumped off the
quarterdeck.
此时已经开始做这动作了.而鱼雷发射的时间
27 May 1941 / 1020
On the Bismarck, men who survived the fusillade began to make their way off
the ship. Awaiting them was the oil-covered waters of the North Atlantic, the
final refuge for Bismarck’s crew. As survivors leapt overboard, some were
thrown against the ship’s side and perished. Others hit the water only to be
killed when hitting the bilge keel or a jagged torpedo blister that was
lurking beneath the surface. Scuttling charges had been set and Fregattenkapit
än Hans Oels made his way through the ship instructing those he found to
jump over the side. Watertight doors, seacocks and flooding valves were
opened as Bismarck was prepared for scuttling. In Section XIII of the battery
deck, Oels discovered around 300 men surging toward the ladders. He screamed
at them to maintain order, but a huge explosion ripped through the crowd
killing many including Oels.
以及
27 May 1941 / 1036
Dorsetshire circled the Bismarck and launched a third torpedo from a distance
of 2,400 yards (2,200 m) hitting the port side.
如果真要照理论值.维大力其实会更好(阿对啦......不过我们都知道的.遇上了垂直....)
实战上真正效果显著的反而是那个财大气粗........
: : → supa64: 会说这句的大概就如我在糟糕岛+战史板打脸的1段话 05/28 22:46
: : → supa64: "英国海军到2战快结束才发现自己的15吋砲符合规定的只有 05/28 22:47
: : → supa64: 30-40%.剩下的几乎是火药问题的劣质品"(更不要说那常常会 05/28 22:47
: : → supa64: 射击出问题的14-16.............. 05/28 22:48
: 去k岛搜寻了一下
: 可以请教下15吋炮弹品质问题的出处报告名称吗？ 愿闻其详...
http://fenrisulfr.org/wows/pixmicat.php?res=190
可怜的军武版: "仅仅是因为他们砲弹装药的糟糕品质才从灾难中拯救了我们 (9sot/v.U
14/12/15 11:21)
可怜的军武版: 另外根据持续被使用至1944年的砲弹测试系统规定如果一批砲弹中有70%
有毛病还有一半可能被下发 (9sot/v.U 14/12/15 11:22)
可怜的军武版: 事实上，无法通过这一宽松标准的炮弹仍然有可能下发给海军
(9sot/v.U 14/12/15 11:22)
可怜的军武版: 后来英国军需处分析出会有 30－70% 的砲弹并无法通过英国海军部标准
的穿甲测试 (9sot/v.U 14/12/15 11:23)
喔对了.后面补上1各你忽略的问题.关于装甲以及砲弹落下的部分.实际上你有1点忽略了.
http://www.schlachtschiff.com/kriegsmarine/schlachtschiff_bismarck/techn
ik/panzerung.html
通常火砲射击的时候.砲弹落下的角度并不会90度垂直下来.而是有1定的倾斜角.然后再考
虑了诸多部分(大气湿度.大气压力.风向.对方相对位置等ETC)来贯穿.那么.既然主装甲带
320.有没有想过.当时接战距离2万1为何慢慢逼近?有1场关键的战斗.大概给了英国1场重
要的提醒.不妨猜看看是哪艘船的战斗给了英国不得不一定要优先打到船沉为止.