Reddit连结 : https://goo.gl/CD8cxt
C9的选手Ek0p在直播上针对队友Massan最近闹得沸沸扬扬的ViewBot事件也宣布参战啦
他还加料一些C9炉石团队以及炉石社群的挂(实况主P4wnyhof跟Archon Team league)
(虽然整件事在我看来比较像他单方的抱怨 BabyRage)
于是有好事(误) 热心的Reddit板友将他的VOD片段剪辑并整理PO了出来
十分之详细连时间轴都有 (有""的内容是截录自Ek0p发言的quotation)
Ek0p删掉VOD了 但是其他人的Oddshot连结还可以看
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Hearthstone streamer ek0p went on a rant this week and told the salty truth
about some of his colleagues and foes.
Nothing earth-shattering, just some entertaining drama and insight. Kappa
炉石实况主 Ekop在本周发难 揭发针对他的队友以及对手的一些真相
不是啥惊天动地的料 只是有趣的抓马跟内幕
(I've added reactions from ek0p, Cloud9, TidesOfTime and InormouS. Find them
at the end of this post.)
(已经在文末加上来自包括 ek0p, Cloud9, TidesOfTime 与 InormouS 对此事的回应)
Can people just start reporting Massan to Twitch already? That would be nice.
I'm sure if we all band together we can get him banned.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h10m50s
"大家可以快去跟Twitch检举Massan吗? 我相信如果大家团结起来我们可以让他被Ban"
It's not just the view botting... like there's a lot of other accusations
which are most likely true against Massan. [...] Besides, he's never been a
real teammate to me anyway. [...] He never really has done anything to help
his teammates. He only ever hosted my once I think.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h12m40s
"不只ViewBot而已 还有其他数不清对Massan的指控 而且我从没把他当作是我的队友
他从来没帮过团队成员 我记得他只host过我一次"
I just hope he gets banned soon, and kicked from Cloud9. He doesn't deserve
to be on the team. The only reason he's on the team is he has viewers on
Twitch.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h14m0s
"我只希望他赶快被Ban 然后被C9踢出 他没资格待在这里 他能加入只是因为他的观众数"
P4wnyhof is also a view botter just like Massan. This is only emphasized by
the fact that this Inormous D guy is also mod on his channel.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h18m25s
"P4wnyhof是跟Massan一样的机器人指挥官 他跟Massan共用同一个叫做Inormous D 的Mod
加强了这件事的可信度"
According to ek0p, he brought the Massan drama to Cloud9's attention and
Cloud9 "main manager" Jack told him the view botting is Twitch related so
Twitch has to resolve it. ek0p claims Cloud9 is not interested in the other
accusations regarding "cheating in tournaments, selling tournament spots and
all that stuff".
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h23m10s
根据Ek0p所述 是他让C9注意到Massan抓马的 C9的经理Jack回应他Viewbot是Twitch管的
所以让他们去处理就好 Ek0p表示C9对其他像是在比赛中作弊.贩卖比赛名次等等的指控
并不感兴趣
I'm actually... since a couple of months... I'm not not getting paid by
Cloud9 anymore. I'm not getting paid my salary. Which is also the reason why
Gnimsh left Cloud9.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h26m30s
"其实...在几个月前...C9就没再付我薪水了 这也是Gnimsh离开C9的原因"
I'm kind of blaming Massan [for not getting paid] as well because if a guy
like that is getting paid by Cloud9, that does all these shady and scummy
things, and I'm not... a guy who bust his ass streaming... not only
streaming, but also competing in tournaments, traveling to events to
represent Cloud9 there, interacting with fans and sponsors, doing all kinds
of stuff... If a guy like that does not get paid and a guy like Massan does,
then, yeah, it just frustrates me, you know.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h27m30s
"我出来不爽Massan也是因为C9还在付钱给这个做出这些肮脏勾当的家伙
我除了出来摇屁股直播之外 我还代表C9到世界各地参赛 和粉丝互动以及与赞助商接洽等
...如果我这样的人不值得C9的薪水反而像Massan这样的家伙可以时 真的让我很失望"
And the only reason I'm really still in Cloud9, why I haven't switched teams
yet, is because I'm waiting for Archon Team League to... because I basically
got a guaranteed spot there... and it's so lucrative. Like [...] in the first
Archon Team League I won more money than in all my previous tournament
performances combined.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h28m23s
"我还留在C9没转队的唯一理由是我在等著参加下一季的Archon Team League...
因为我保有种子名额...这是笔划算的投资 举例而言我在ATL第一季所获得的奖金
比我在之前所有大小比赛中所拿到的还多"
We'll see how the whole situation evolves. I'm definitely still hopeful that
Cloud9 will get their shit together and basically treat me like a valuable
asset to the team. And if that doesn't happen until after ATLC 2, then I'm
switching teams.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h30m15s
"等著看整件事的发展吧 我对C9会把这些狗屁倒灶处理好然后好好把我当作团队的一分子
仍旧保有信心 如果没有好转我会在ATLC2之后正式转队"
If you want to make a competitive Hearthstone team, the last person you
should get on that team is TidesOfTime. Not because he's a bad player or
anything, but just because of how he is, you know. Like, you've seen all the
shit he's pulled while he was on Cloud9, right?
[goes on to talk about how TidesOfTime didn't show up to tournaments]
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h33m4s
"如果你要组建一只竞技炉石队伍 你最不该找的人就是TidesOfTime
不是因为他打得烂还是怎样 而是他的作为 他根本没对C9投入任何心力"
To be honest though, guys, Cloud9 kinda went to shit Hearthstone-wise after
all the new signings... TidesOfTime and Massan.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h34m20s
"老实说C9在新成员TidesOfTime跟Massan加入之后开始倒行逆施"
The initial team that we had for Cloud9, was actually [...] made by me. I was
the main factor to decide that team.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h34m41s
"C9这个队伍一开始其实...是因我而生 我是创队的关键因子"
The shit that Kibler and Trump pulled against Lifecoach on ATLC was pretty
disgusting. It's true. But Lifecoach also kinda overreacted in my opinion.
Because after all, all they did was follow the rules. Sure - it was a little
bit scummy to not give Lifecoach the win.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h45m25s
"Kibler跟Trump在ATLC婊LifeCoach的事蛮下流 但是在我看来LifeCoach也有些反应过度
毕竟他们耍的花招也是在规则容许之下 但在那情况还死不认输是真的有点贱"
Answering the question as to when he feels like he got fucked the most "in an
e-sport sense":
1. Azubu
2. Getting scamazed by Trump
3. Not getting paid by Cloud9
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h53m2s
Ek0p回应在电竞生涯遭遇最惨的事
1. Azubu
2. 被Trump scamazed
3. Cloud9没付他薪水
I don't hate P4wnyhof [...] I liked the guy, I don't like him anymore.
Because of the whole view botting. And also, he's just not really a community
person, you know. Like he only thinks about himself. Back when P4wnyhof used
to work for the Hearthstone division of TakeTV, he had a lot of fuck-ups.
[...] [After leaving TakeTV] he never hosted anyone's stream. Ever. [...] I
hosted him so many times when he was still a very small streamer. Now that
he's a big streamer, he doesn't want to give back to the community, you know,
who helped him grow.
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h55m5s
"我并不讨厌P4wnyhof 我只是在他开始Viewbot之后不再喜欢他
另外他其实不算是炉石社群的一员 他只想到他自己 当他还在TakeTV的炉石部门工作时"
搞砸了一堆事 (离开TakeTV后) 他从没host过任何人 我在他还是没没无闻时
host他过好几次 现在他飞黄腾达了 却不愿回馈给当初帮助过他的人"
Question: Did you and Massan ever talk about view bots in his chat?
I think I asked him once about it, before he was in Cloud9. Because there
have been a lot of accusations before already regarding the view bots on his
channel. But he always denied it. I mean of course he would deny it, right?
Why would he admit to such a thing?
http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p/v/35193169?t=2h59m18s
观众问他:有没有跟Massan谈过ViewBot的事?
"我跟他谈过一次吧 是在他加入C9之前的事了 因为在这些事浮上台面前底下早就暗潮汹涌
当然他没有意外的否认了 他有什么承认的理由吗?"
REACTIONS
You can find ek0p's reaction to this post here.
当事人的回应
Jack from Cloud9 explains the situation as follows:
Ek0p has not been on contract with c9 for a year. At his request we allowed
him to stay on the team once his agreement expired because it would help him
generate money via streaming. We even paid for his travel when he requested
it.
C9的经理Jack:
Ek0p的已经没跟C9有合约关系1年了 他要求我们让他在合约过期后继续留在队上
以便帮助他透过直播赚钱 我们甚至还帮他出比赛的旅费
TidesOfTime:
[ek0p] didn't bring any value to the team. [...] Wow. I don't know. I don't
really care.
http://oddshot.tv/shot/tidesoftime-20160115154147706
http://oddshot.tv/shot/tidesoftime-2016011515421495
(via _EleGiggle_)
TidesOfTime:
Ek0p没拿到钱是因为对团队没有任何贡献
至于说我没为队伍做事...哇 我不知道耶 我不是很在乎
InormouS (the mod working for Massan [and supposedly P4wnyhof]):
Cloud9 already fired [ek0p]. [...] I think Cloud9 threatened a lawsuit. ek0p
is just stupid. [...] He tried to get himself viewers by attacking Massan but
he got carried away and attacked everybody.
http://oddshot.tv/shot/inormous-20160117123414399
(via _EleGiggle_)
InormouS (Massan的Mod 据说也是P4wnyhof的):
C9早就开除Ek0p了 我想C9会对他采取法律行动
Ek0p真是蠢 他想透过对Massan补刀来增加收视率 却弄巧成拙变成到处放炮
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注: Value Town成员 Trump跟Kibler在ATLC婊LifeCoach的始末
https://goo.gl/UiGz5V
Trump was losing vs Lifecoach and there was no card in his deck that could
win the match or bring it back. One of them got dcd, Trump decided to give
Lifecoach the win, however Kibler(on trumps team) said that according to
tournament rules its only a win if theres lethal on board. Otherwise its a
rematch. There wasnt lethal on board.
The ATLC team decided to let the players decide it and Kibler and Trump
decided on a rematch.
Lifecoach got pissed at Kibler for suggesting it and Trump for changing his
mind. Everyone was really unprofessional that day.
大意是Trump在ATLC一场对上LifeCoach的比赛中 在落入不可能翻盘的情况时有人断线
Trump原本打算认输 但队友Kibler告诉他根据规则可以要求重赛 并且说服了Trump重赛
心得:
1.感恩$camaz 赞叹$camaz
2.Ek0p好像早期观众蛮多的?(竞技场时代的样子)
这篇很有不得志文人在自怨自艾的既视感XD 大家有兴趣可以逛逛啦 不算无聊
3.真的很多人出来对Massan补刀 出于各种原因都有啦 想当初我PO Reckful揭发Massan时
还有板友愿意为他护航