Re: [新闻] 蔡英文:氢能是非核家园战略选项之一

楼主: iebpk (梦十夜)   2016-03-06 10:39:54
氢能到底好不好,来听听钢铁人马斯克怎么说啦
https://youtu.be/YNV8qi_rJBg
结论:很笨 extremely silly
It's just very difficult to make hydrogen,
store it and use it on a car. Hydrogen is
an energy storage mechanism. It's not a
source of energy. So, you have to get the
hydrogen from somewhere.
实在很难做出氢,储存它,再用在车上. 氢是个储存
能源的方式,不是一种能源. 所以你必须从其他地方
取得氢.
If you get the hydrogen from water, so you're
splitting H20. The electrolysis is extremely
inefficient as an energy process. If you took
a solar panel and use the energy from the solar
panel to just charge a battery pack directly,
compared to trying to split water, take the
hydrogen, dump the oxygen, compress the
hydrogen to an extremely high pressure or
liquify it, and then put it in a car and run
the fuel cell, it is about half the efficiency.
It's terrible. What would you do that?
It makes no sense.
如果你把水拿来分解H20. 电解水是效率非常低的过程.
如果你把太阳能板给充电池拿来比, 跟把水分解,拿氢,
丢掉氧,要极高压压缩氢或是让它液态化,再把它放到车
上跑. 这效率差了一半. 太惨了. 为什么要那样做?
完全不合理.
And then hydrogen has very low density. It's
a pernicious molecule that likes to get all
over the place. You get metal and .... from
hydrogen. If you get hydrogen leak, it's an
invisible gas. You can't even tell that it's
leaking. And it's extremely flammable. When
it does, it has an invisible flame.
而且氢的密度很低. 是很危险的分子会到处窜....如果
氢漏出来,是隐形的,你也看不出来在漏. 又易燃,燃烧
的火也是隐形的.
If you're gonna pick an energy storage mechanism.
Hydrogen is an incredibly dumb one to pick. You
should just pick methane. That's much much easier.
Or propane.
如果你要选储存能量的方法,氢是非常愚蠢的选择.不如选
甲烷,简单多了. 或是丙烷.
The best case hydrogen fuel cell doesn't win
against the current case of batteries, so then
obviously it doesn't make sense. That will
become apparent in the next few years. There is
no reason for us to have this debate. I've said
my piece on this. It will be super obvious as
time goes by. I don't know what more to say.
最理想的氢能燃料电池赢不过现有的电池,所以这很明显不
合理. 再过几年会更明白, 我们不需要在这里辩论. 我要
说的就是这样. 过些时间事情会变得清楚. 我不晓得还有
什么能说的了.
作者: CREA (黒髪ロング最高!)   2016-03-06 10:41:00
你先把控制码学好再来吧
作者: obov (来嘘苍真)   2016-03-06 10:41:00
你一直32m是怎样 干
作者: axiz711 (埃西小七)   2016-03-06 10:41:00
你32m?!
作者: u9005205 (seastar)   2016-03-06 10:42:00
32m
作者: waa006 (卖问阮A名)   2016-03-06 10:42:00
颜色不对,你会被嘘
作者: dslite (呼呼)   2016-03-06 10:42:00
控制码不会用就不要用
作者: yonbun (永邦)   2016-03-06 10:43:00
现在不行不代表未来也是 科技进步后电解水的成本一定会降
作者: waa006 (卖问阮A名)   2016-03-06 10:43:00
obov耶
作者: Roger5566 (我难过)   2016-03-06 10:44:00
32m是啥小啦
作者: ColdM (熊王)   2016-03-06 10:45:00
会不会上色?
作者: taot917 (每天一点新鲜)   2016-03-06 10:45:00
你不懂蔡英文跟台湾人的智商就别多说
作者: LoveMakeLove (愛製造愛)   2016-03-06 10:45:00
...就是不切实际 那个发电效率大概跟叫监狱囚犯人力发电一样。
作者: sagarain (HNY 2010)   2016-03-06 10:46:00
小英说可以就可以
作者: abbei ( $曼尼最可爱$ )   2016-03-06 10:46:00
有人会问你用太阳能分解氢能有没有搞头
作者: winnerme   2016-03-06 10:46:00
小英说可以就可以
作者: Anvec (乡民)   2016-03-06 10:46:00
现在不行不代表未来也是 但是现在就是没办法拿来用政府也一直有在给经费做相关研究 国内从民国87-88年开始
作者: LoveMakeLove (愛製造愛)   2016-03-06 10:48:00
不过我对蔡英文的军事内需很有兴趣
作者: Roger5566 (我难过)   2016-03-06 10:48:00
氢气本来就不是很好的储能工具 还有别的为啥非选它
作者: Anvec (乡民)   2016-03-06 10:48:00
很多民众就会问 为什么政府不做事 为什么不用什么什么技术
作者: yonbun (永邦)   2016-03-06 10:48:00
现在没法用是因为拥核的一直在反 害研发一直做不下去
作者: LoveMakeLove (愛製造愛)   2016-03-06 10:49:00
那个五十年内都不可能实用的氢能蔡英文四年八年能干
作者: newstyle (人生不要有遗憾)   2016-03-06 10:50:00
689选她来碍台湾的
作者: LoveMakeLove (愛製造愛)   2016-03-06 10:50:00
三小朋友?脑袋正常都知道是唬烂
作者: Anvec (乡民)   2016-03-06 10:51:00
福岛核电厂 其实是因为产生了大量的氢气 造成氢爆现在想要使用这技术的人 最好找个空旷点的地方
作者: LoveMakeLove (愛製造愛)   2016-03-06 10:53:00
现在连氢气充气球都禁止了,会爆啊大姐
作者: kaletra (还没想到)   2016-03-06 10:59:00
选票都骗到了要不然要怎么样
作者: dontfly520 (好天气)   2016-03-06 11:00:00
那我也说技术突破后肥宅发电是选项之一 现阶段就不可
作者: abbei ( $曼尼最可爱$ )   2016-03-06 11:01:00
技术突破后一定是方舟反应炉发电,人人肛铁人。@@
作者: seannewlee (photoyou)   2016-03-06 11:08:00
英皇说要有氢就有氢,懂?
作者: newstyle (人生不要有遗憾)   2016-03-06 11:19:00
台湾武则天
作者: WindSucker (抽风者)   2016-03-06 11:49:00
氢气吸太多逆

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