Re: [问卦] 关于王丹的报导何者为实?

楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 10:53:00
来看看从美国出境要那些文件
一、航空公司 checkin
http://bit.ly/1mS5B3p
联合航空网站上写
Departure requirements
U.S. law requires all customers, regardless of citizenship, age or
destination, to hold a secure document to depart the United States
by air (one-way or roundtrip itinerary). A secure document is a
passport, U.S. permanent resident card, Refugee or Stateless travel
document, Re-Entry Permit, NEXUS card, U.S Merchant Mariner Card,
military ID or emergency travel document issued by an embassy or
consulate.
绿卡过关。
二、TSA 安检
http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids
Acceptable IDs
Acceptable IDs for screening purposes include:
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. military ID (active duty or retired military and their dependents, and DoD civilians)
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
DHS-designated enhanced driver's license
Driver's licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent) for the sole purpose of identification
Native American tribal photo ID
HSPD-12 PIV card
Airline or airport-issued ID (if issued under a TSA-approved security plan)
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation Worker Identification Credential
Note: a weapon permit is not an acceptable form of identification.
绿卡过关。
三、海关
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizens/whti-program-background/docs-air-travel
Document Requirements for Air Travel
Lawful permanent residents must continue to present a valid
Permanent Resident Card. A passport is not required.
绿卡过关
看起来只要绿卡就可以从美国出境。
但是呢
四、美国移民局
http://1.usa.gov/1nNWpla
Benefits and Responsibilities of Asylees
Travel Documents
Asylees are subject to special rules for traveling outside the United
States. If you plan to leave the United States, you must receive prior
permission to by obtaining a refugee travel document.
For more information, see the “How Do I Get a Refugee Travel Document?
” link to the upper-right.
看起来政治庇护的人一定要拿到 refugee travel document,也就是 I-131 返美证。
才能出美国旅行。
不过没把最后的 link 按下去看就输了
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/D4en.pdf
A person with refugee or asylum status who wishes to travel
outside the United States needs a Refugee Travel Document in order
to return to the United States.
In most cases, a refugee or asylee may use the Refugee Travel
Document for travel in place of a passport. The Refugee Travel
Document is similar in appearance to a U.S. passport.
Refugee Travel Document 是用来入境美国用的,
通常的状况下,难民或受政治庇护的人可以用来代替护照。
You should file a Form I-131 for a Refugee Travel Document before
you leave the United States. We recommend that you file the form
no less than 60 days before you leave the United States.
离开美国之前要申请 I-131。建议最好出境前六十天前申请。
If you do not file for a Refugee Travel Document before you leave
the United States, a USCIS office overseas has discretion to accept
your application. You may only apply if you have been outside the
United States for less than 1 year at the time of filing. You should
not, however, assume that an overseas office will automatically
exercise this discretion, particularly if it is evident that you could
have filed your Form I-131 before you left the United States.
这一段又写如果没有申请 I-131 就离境,可以在 USCIS 海外分部申请
(出境一年内)。不过如果没有特殊理由无法在美国境内申请,不保证在海外
申请成功。
We recommend that you file Form I-131 while you are in the United
States. However it is not required for you to be present in the United
States for USCIS to approve your Form I-131 and issue a Refugee
Travel Document if your biometrics (photograph, fingerprints) have
been obtained. You can indicate on your Form I-131 that you want
USCIS to send your Refugee Travel Document to a U.S. Embassy or
consulate, or a DHS office overseas, so you can pick it up from one
of those facilities.
申请之后只要已取得申请者的生物辨视矩阵就不必留在美国境内。
可以指定将 I-131 送到大使馆、领事馆或 DHS 海外办公室。
不过 AIT 有没有这项业务就不清楚了。
结论:美国移民局的文件互有矛盾。
不拿 I-131 有无法出境的风险。
大使馆、领事馆是差在那里?
作者: uhmeiouramu (优文老祖)   2014-07-28 10:53:00
一个住大使 一个住领事
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 10:57:00
biometrics应该叫生理量测资讯(指纹大头照)
作者: hsuehhm   2014-07-28 10:57:00
可出境但入境需要旅行文件,还有旅行文件等同护照。
作者: NaaL (Skyline)   2014-07-28 10:58:00
对呀~所以在离美前拿到I-131会比较保险,而I-131的申办是在美
作者: yuhung (MimiBao)   2014-07-28 10:58:00
所以简单来说就是:出去容易近来难?!
作者: Liat (Liat)   2014-07-28 10:59:00
一般都是出去容易进来难啊!
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:00:00
丹丹现在还是Asylee吗?这更值得玩味了
楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 11:02:00
专有名词就用 google 翻一下,不要太计较啦(擦汗)。
作者: legendmtg (CLANNAD)   2014-07-28 11:02:00
是啊 他又没拿到任何国家的身份
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:03:00
应该改为Refugee
作者: ahiru (地狱野鸭)   2014-07-28 11:03:00
问题在于他现在的身份不是难民,他在拿到绿卡的状况下,应该已经调整身份成永久居民,那他到底需不需要I-131还有疑问
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:04:00
(翻译)法律规定以Refugee身份进入美国一年后,必须申请绿卡,也就是Refugee身份只有头一年请参阅USCIS网站
楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 11:05:00
旅行文件等同护照,我们移民署要求有I-131 也算合理。
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:05:00
丹丹现在的只是单纯的I-131,不是Refugee Travel DocumeDocument
作者: legendmtg (CLANNAD)   2014-07-28 11:06:00
如果不是难民 更不需要I-131才能出境了完全就只有台湾移民署要看他什么证件才放行的问题而已
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:07:00
他没离美一年,应该不用办I-131如果搞到最后只是自己吓自己,救好笑了
作者: ahiru (地狱野鸭)   2014-07-28 11:10:00
我是觉得他的确是自己吓自己,不过正常啦,VISA版也是一堆啊,道听途说是很正常的,所以这时官方的判断就很重要了
作者: hsuehhm   2014-07-28 11:12:00
这是美国政府的规定,是台湾政府因应他无护照要求以旅行
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:12:00
现在他只需要厘清到底台移民署看不看回美证?直接联络官方不是比较快,在脸书讲也没用
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:13:00
问台湾官方,美国政府不管你出境的只要航空公司给你登机证,安检后就上飞机
作者: hsuehhm   2014-07-28 11:16:00
王丹不是第一次入境台湾,应该知道移民署的规定
楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 11:16:00
难民和永久居民身分有互斥吗?
作者: ahiru (地狱野鸭)   2014-07-28 11:16:00
本来他最初的问题就是问能否不看回美证入境~只是他先发在FB问而已
作者: shukevin (被毁容的武大郎)   2014-07-28 11:17:00
健保费还你,20万美金还台湾,两不相欠好吗?
作者: ahiru (地狱野鸭)   2014-07-28 11:17:00
要拿到绿卡,其中一项程序就是“调整身份”,照移民法的讲法
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:17:00
以往他两样都有啊,所以没多想搞不好只要准备一样(入台证)就够了
作者: ahiru (地狱野鸭)   2014-07-28 11:18:00
就是将你从其他身份转为永久居民身份,包括难民身份,所以他现在不是难民身份,而是永久居民,虽然他一开始是难民
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:19:00
美国移民法规定难民身份进入美国后一年要转绿卡,刚刚网站看的,美国很多官方资讯都放网络很透明http://ppt.cc/Ot9a 自己看吧
楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 11:22:00
调整身份后缴的税不一样,这样也有道理。
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:22:00
如果他是Asylee,法律就不强制转绿卡,但是建议转不管哪个,他现在就是绿卡身份了
楼主: oversky0 (oversky0)   2014-07-28 11:25:00
感谢 krishuang 补充说明。
作者: krishuang (五柳先生)   2014-07-28 11:26:00
:) 钻下去有很多好玩的地方,不过我先中离啦

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