4chan的人几乎都没看过社长说的不会推进主剧情的访谈
全部都是抱着期待黎2剧情有大进展的心态来看的
某个方面很像我们在闪轨2发售前的那种心态，所以批评声浪蛮猛的XD
下页开始是在对岸找到的4chan欧美玩家留言翻译
一定有雷，不想被雷的请避开
How the fuck did a pseudo S-Rank die to some random monsters? Does the Genesis just make people act retarded or something?
一个准S他妈的被几个杂兵整了，创世是不是会让人变成弱智？
God, I'm so fucking sick of Cao. He has the exact same schtick every game.
上帝，我真他妈讨厌曹，他每个游戏都做同样的事。
okay the time rewind thing was cool at the start but now its just so obvious whenever its gonna be an "everyone dies then timeloop" situation
OK，时间回溯一开始非常的酷，但是现在很显然无论任何时候都会发生“每个人死了 然后回溯了”
————It's honestly my biggest criticism of the game. It essentially becomes a game of "does the time loop happen here or not?"
老实说，这是我对这个游戏最大的批评，他在根本上变成了“时间回溯在这里发生与否”的游戏
oh you think you're so cool, why'd you die to the nerve gas, huh?
哦你觉得你很酷，但是为什么你会死于毒气？
they still can choose bad route, but the player doesn't need to experience every bad route possible, some of them are just outright silly and actually avoidable if the game let the player the choose from the start
他们仍然能够选择糟糕的路线，但玩家不需要经历所有可能的糟糕路线。如果这个游戏能够让玩家从一开始就选择，其中一些路线完全是愚蠢且可避免的
i won't complain this much if they actually made each death impactful, a bunch of them are just "AAAAAAAUUGHH" or just instadeath and reset. Towa's death was probably the best one in my opinion
如果他们真的让每一次死亡都有意义和影响，我不会抱怨，但是一些死亡只是“AAAAAAA UUGHH”，或者只是当场死亡重置，托娃的死可能是我认为最好的一次。
It's a cool idea and will lead to some high highs but the amount of stupid deaths than would never have happened if this concept wasn't the backbone of the story structure makes the minute to minute experience pretty goofy. You have to wonder how these dipshits lived through Kuro 1 at this point.
这是一个很酷的想法，并且给故事带来一些高潮，如果这个概念不是故事结构的主要枝干，那么愚蠢的死亡永远不会发生，这使得每分钟体验都很糟糕。你会想知道这些弱智如何在黎一生存的。
炸弹后的
Just be quiet and laugh at the stupid plot with us.
保持安静，和我们一起嘲笑这愚蠢的情节。
This. Kuro 2 is the biggest laughingstock game
黎二是最大的搞笑游戏
taiwanman has been laughing at the deaths for a while
台湾人（twitch主播）一直在笑这个死亡。
how are they gonna explain this to other kiseki characters in the future?
>you guys fought god? well, i died like 20 times and then fought god
他们以后将如何向其他轨迹角色解释这一点？
你们和神战斗？好吧，我们死了二十次然后再与神战斗。
It's amazing how every single one of these games has a couple of retarded reoccurring elements we can react to with these streams
很惊讶我们能在这个直播中看到以前的一些弱智元素
>CS3
That won't be necessary
闪3的没有这个必要
>CS4
Pointless fight
闪4的无意义的战斗
>Hajimari
Robot copies
创的机器人复制
>Kuro
Van knows everybody
黎一的范每个人都认识
>Kuro II
Character dies from being looked at funny
黎二角色搞笑地被看着死亡
———Don't forget CS2's "getting rescued by someone else".
不要忘记闪2的救场。
With how everyone keep getting killed this game it make me wonder how no one died in prevous games.
每个人都在游戏里被杀，我想知道为什么以前没有这种事。
>choked on food
DEAD END
>stubbed toe on a pallet and somehow the entire stack falls on top of you
DEAD END
>crossed the road and got isekai'd by truck-kun without the isekai'ng part
DEAD END
被食物噎死 死亡
被绊倒，被砸死，死亡
穿过马路被卡车撞到异世界（对isekai的一种讽刺俚语说法）没有穿越过程，死亡
I could go on and on I guess.
我觉得我都能猜到了
i hate "revisit every place and fix everything in one chapter before the last chapter" chapter, i hate it during sky's orbal shutdown, i hate it during AO, i hate it during CS 2 and 4, and i will hate this chapter too
我讨厌“在倒数第二章中重新访问每个地方并修复所有内容”，我讨厌 Sky的导力停止 ，我讨厌 AO ，我讨厌 CS 2 ，4 ，我也会讨厌这一章。
These time resets would go a lot better if they weren't so sudden. Like have Van just go through hell with his allies dying one by one and not all in one go. Maybe show us the aftermath of these dead ends, as well.
如果不是那么突如其来的话，这些时间重置会好得多。就像范只是让他的队友一个接一个死去而不是一下子全死了，也许可以更好展示Be的后果。
Not even shitposting, I genuinely have an issue with how overused the timelooping is in Kuro II. Trying to find the right words here, but it's going beyond establishing multiple timelines as a concept that exists in the series and becoming more of meme on how many times they keep killing off characters and time looping for the lulz. Can't believe I'm making an /a/ comparison here, but Eden's Zero, made by the same hack who created Fairy Tail has managed to execute alternate timelines(universes in Eden's
Zero) and time-looping much more efficiently than what I'm seeing so far in Kuro II. In Eden's Zero not only is there limitations/restrictions that prevent time looping from being spammed the moment things go bad, there is also actual consequences when a major timeline jump occurs as well as major character deaths that actually stay dead and could not be brought back with time leaping. The finale in Kuro II better have a real big fucking payoff otherwise this game will end up being fucking CS2-tier for
me.
甚至不是shitposting(差不多是垃圾话），我真的对黎二中的时间Loop过度使用有所疑问。我试图在这里找到合适的词，但是这已不仅仅是把多个时间线作为这系列中存在的一个概念，而是更多地变成了一个meme，他们不断杀死角色然后循环回溯就为了找乐子（for the lulz)。不敢相信我在这里进行了 /a/ 比较，但伊甸星原，由创造妖精的尾巴的作者创作的漫画，已经成功设计了多时间线（伊甸星原中的宇宙）和时间循环，这比我在黎二里看到的要高效的多。在伊甸星原中，不仅有限制/限制可以防止时间循环在事情变糟时被being
spammed（没理解），而且当发生重大时间线跳跃时会有后果，主要角色死亡时也不会随着时间跳跃复活。 Kuro II 的结局最好有一个真正的fucking回报，否则这个游戏对我来说最终会成为 CS2 级的。
Shizuna barely says anything. She's just with the group... staring at people and things menacingly...
静奈几乎什么都没说，她只是待在队伍里，然后很凶很疯地盯着人或者事....
————I feel the same for most of the party members.
同感，队伍里的其他人也差不多。
————Like Aaron is here the whole time but barely ever do or say anything.
就像阿龙一直在这里，但也啥都没说啥都没做。
Dance time to counter curse.Here we go again.
跳舞来对抗诅咒，来了来了，又来了。
the sad truth is that falcom fucks it up every single time they do a second game
一个悲伤的事实是法老控总会搞砸他的第二款游戏
Everyone basically agrees that this game is legit CS2-levels of bad.
每个人都觉得这个游戏是CS2级别的。
I thought Xenoblade 3 would be the worst game this year had to offer, but Kuro 2 is taking the pie...
我本来觉得XB3是今年最烂的，看来黎二要接班了
Kuro 2 is amusing me at least
我觉得黎二至少有趣
Loewe must be looking on from the afterlife thanking Aidios that he died before all this bullshit started to come into play.
莱维一定是在来世感谢爱德丝女神，幸好他在这各种屁事发生前就死了。
Kuro 2 plot is actually an excuse to make a smash version of Kiseki with how everyone keep fighting each others or teaming up every 5 minutes.
黎二的情节实际上就是一个借口，用这个借口让大家每隔五分钟互相打一架或者联手，来创造一个令人轰动的轨迹。
马克西姆死后
This is just getting comical now
太滑稽了
BRUH LMAO.
It's one thing when the main cast is dying repeatedly, but when you have side chars like Maxim dying and it's a "dead end", it's the funniest shit.
主要角色不断死亡是一回事，但当有像马克西姆这样的NPC死亡，这也是一个“死亡结局”，真是最搞笑的一坨屎。
still 3 left
还剩三个（创世）
How did we go from kuro 1's high stakes story with a villain group that actually had agency in the world to a bunch of schizo melties and dollar store VN routes again
我们是如何从黎一的一个犯罪集团故事到现在一堆神经病路线的？
——Kondo explicitly was handsoff with Kuro，with him outright confirming that they were still working on the base script right after the game got announced.
近藤明确表示放弃了黎，确定在游戏宣布后他们还在写脚本。
Kuro was more kino than CS could do in 5 games，Then Kuro 2 completely destroyed all the stakes KEK. Not even CS managed to so thoroughly remove all urgency from the plot.
黎一要比闪要好，但是黎二摧毁了一切，即使是闪都没有做到消除所有的情节中的紧迫感。
they are really overusing the time travel stuff，It's not interesting
他们真的是在过度滥用时间旅行，没意思。
I get we are dealing with the septentrion of time and stuff. But you can't have us loop literally every 5 minutes because someone else died.
我知道我们在应对时之至宝，但你不能让我们每五分就死一次然后重置吧。
I love how retarded the plot has gotten. This is why I play Kiseki.
我就喜欢这种弱智情节，这是我为什么玩轨迹的理由。
>Vaan do a speech
>every party member say a one liner
>Dead end
and then repeat.
范演讲，一人一句，死亡，然后重复
Why aren't they even bothering to show the deaths of everyone now? It's just
>Cut in into enemy approaching
>DEAD END
为什么他们甚至都不展示死亡画面了，只是描写敌人过来，然后死亡结局。
有人询问了评分，接下来有一些评论。
>fun characters
>fun and dynamic story
>good ost
>combat seems to be the best it has ever been
>finally genuinely good 3d production value
>Falcom experimenting for once
>HUUUUUHH BAD
People on this side conditioned themselves into not being able to like anything anymore.
有趣的角色，有趣而活力的故事，好的音乐，战斗似乎是有史以来最好，好的3D模，又一次法老控游戏。
这边的人习惯让自己不再喜欢任何东西
6/10, really enjoyed everything before act 3, hoping the finale saved it.
很享受第三部前的一切，希望结局能好点，拯救这个游戏。
4/10. Not impressed.
毫无印象
9/10
Kiseki/10
8/10
It seemed pretty good but Act 3 looks awful
看起来很不错但第三部太烂。
People should have sticked with Chinaman instead of going to nip niggers who skips the plot
你们应该去看中国人的流（za10087logo)而不是看那些跳剧情的尼哥。
I'm so sick of watching all the main characters rampage around like a pack of wolves ganging up against 1-2 enemies with only 4 people in the room actually doing any talking, it is such a trashy fucking look
我真的很讨厌看到所有的主要角色们像狼一样横冲直撞，然后房间里就四个人说话，真tm一坨屎。
why is towa even here? has she even done anything the whole game besides get killed?
为什么托娃还在，除了被杀，她在整场比赛还做过什么吗？
————The only reason any old characters show up, so they could put her in the Famitsu preview as an ad.
任何老角色出现的唯一原因就是，他们可以把她作为广告放在fami通预览。
————She's been cute, and that's enough.
她很可爱，这足够了
Please chinaman just skip this chapter the dragon ball search is getting boring
中国人能跳过这一部吗，我不想看搜索七龙珠了，太无聊了。
>cao is a villain for most of the game
曹在游戏里大部分时间是个反派
>switches sides last minute and is forgiven of all his crimes
然而在最后一瞬跳回来，他的罪行都被原谅
Many such cases
这种事很多
Kuro crashed and burned harder in 2 games than CS did in 5.
黎两部已经烂到跟闪五部最后一样。
We were off to an amazing start what the fuck happened
他妈的发生了什么，我们明明有一个非常好的开始
————the curse，driving around，big fat useless cast，apologize to cs4 right now
诅咒，到处开车，臃肿的阵容，现在你们都给我向CS4道歉。
It's a farce. It's a comedy. Falcom can't be serious
这是一场闹剧，一场戏剧，法老控你认真的？
————Just a total joke all around. Definitely the lowest point in the entire series.
这是一个彻头彻尾的笑话，绝对是轨迹系列最低点。
The cracks are increasing in Kuro's foundation rapider than we could ever imagine. Never have I seen so many people go against a game so hard.
Quite possibly the biggest parody to have ever graced 2022's gaming scene. None shall top it.
黎轨裂缝蔓延地比我们想像地要快，我从未见过有这么多人如此激烈地攻击这一部
这可能是2022年游戏界最大的滑稽游戏，无人可以超越。
Joke. Farce. Parody. Mockery. All words that can describe Kuro 2 to a tee.
Joke. Farce. Parody. Mockery. All words that can describe Cold Steel 1-5.
笑话，闹剧，滑稽戏，笑柄，所有能能形容黎二的词语
笑话，闹剧，滑稽戏，笑柄，所有能能形容闪轨的词语
两人杠上了。
Indeed. I'm actually laughing at how they are bringing literally every trope we hated about CS, even the curse! Which is now back because..... reasons???
的确，我实际上在嘲笑他们是如何把我们对闪讨厌的部分全都带进来，甚至是诅咒。
Even Falcord is turning against it. Literally the only good part of Kuro II was the intermission
甚至falcom discord（前面有人说只有你们在这骂，discord在夸）也在反对黎二，唯一好的部分应该是断章。
So is the time stuff septerrion related or just a powerful artifact?because if the time septerrion is wasted like this is I will be mad
那么这个这是时至宝相关还是神器？因为如果这样浪费时至宝，我会发疯的。
Na-chan was the real main character all along and everyone else are just side characters
娜酱才是真主角，其他都是配角
Can someone please delete these shitty picnic kids already?
谁能删掉这些糟糕的野餐小孩
————Go easy on them. They're likely gonna be irrelevant again after this game.
别太苛刻了，他们可能在这次游戏后又变得无关紧要。
————Picnic squad is literally the best kiseki cast
野餐队是最好的轨迹阵容
————No. Fuck off
滚你妈的
————correct
正确的
It really did. Like I said before, I knew Kuro 2 would shit the bed because I knew the Kiseki team can't come up with interesting plots or characters. That's why I'm hoping the time Ys team had to focus on their next game was to learn from Kiseki's mistakes and hopefully not make Ys 10 a cringefest.
它真的做到了，就像我之前说的一样。我知道黎二会是一坨屎，因为我知道轨迹团队想不出有意思的情节角色，这就是我为什么希望伊苏团队要专注伊苏10，同时吸取教训，不要让伊苏10重蹈覆辙。
But I shouldn't expect much from Falcom games tbqh.
但我不该对法老控游戏抱期望
Is Kuro 2 really that bad ? Kuro 1 was way better than Cold Steel though, sad if it's true :(
黎二真的那么烂吗，我觉得黎一比闪好，如果是真的，我很难过:(
————It makes CS2 and CS4 look kino. That's how bad it is.
他让闪2闪4看起来很棒，你说有多烂。
斯温娜迪亚告别ACE
BRING ME BACK TO KURO 1 I DON'T WANT THIS DINDU SHIT AGAIN
带我回黎一，我不想看这种狗屎了。
I like this kind of scene, even if they do it every single arc.
我喜欢这种场景，虽然他们每一次轨迹都会这么做
I kneel to picnichads, the real winners of Kuro
野餐队我给你们跪下了，你们才是黎的真正赢家
It really is picnic's game
这真的是野餐队游戏
It's all about overuse really
Weissman's stuff is absurdly broken but it was used very sparingly
Red Gnosis was mostly a way to cause chaos or buff bad guys, only Wald becoming a boss was questionable but it was 100% on him because they went out of their way to say he wasn't mentally affected
The curse is used to explain almost everything, and Genesis is just being used as an excuse to have party members be filler bosses
怀斯曼的催眠很屌，但是用的很谨慎。红色真知主要是加强敌人的一种方式。诅咒几乎可以解释一切，创世只是让成员填充boss战的借口。
I didn't expect Swin and Nadia to be more relevant than every character besides Van
我没想到斯温和娜迪亚比除了范以外的每个角色都更与故事相关
I know the game is still not over on Taiwan's stream but I thought that Kondo said Kuro 2 would reveal some major stuff about Zemuria. All we got so far are some experiments from the dg cult, mcmaster of the revolution and picnic squad drama.
————trusting Kondo
我知道游戏在台湾的直播还没结束，我听说近藤说黎二会揭示一些关于塞姆利亚大陆的主要内容。但是目前，我只看到了dg教团，庭园之主还有野餐队。
————相信近藤
Seems weird that Rion and Celis were barely involved in the story and aren't here either
里翁和赛莉丝基本没参与这个故事也不来打最终boss，真奇怪。
No one can fucking stay dead in this series.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
在这个系列中，没人可以死，哈哈哈哈哈。
funny how you retards say how much you miss cold steel but when kuro does cold steel-tier shit you all get mad
isnt this what you want?
有趣的是，这里的人整天怀念闪轨，现在黎把闪轨的一些垃圾东西做进来了，你们反而生气了，不是你们想要的吗？
Things that happened in this game:
>Grendel Rojo incarnated as Dingo and killed some people
>Picnic stuff
>Quatre stuff mentioned
>hunt for the chaos emeralds that was retconned from the timeline
That's it
游戏中发生的事情
>红黎杀人
>野餐队
>卡特尔
>寻找时间宝石
没了
No, seriously. This feel like the first game of a arc. What the fuck is Falcom doing?
不，严肃地说。这就像一个系列的第一个游戏，法老控你他妈在干嘛
so kondo lied and made another filler game
所以近藤撒谎，又水了一作
how do i quit this shit company
我怎么才能离开这个狗屎公司
A final boss that has almost next to nothing to do with the gang or the overall plot. Gerard and Vagrants-Zion were wasted in Kuro 1
一个与我方成员和整个主线阴谋几乎毫无关系的最终BOSS，杰拉德和漂泊魔王在黎一被浪费了。
If you were expecting Sept-Terrion in this game after seeing all the pre-release material you're an actual retard, you have no idea how to pick up subtext and operate at sub 90 IQ.
如果你在看到所有的宣传物料后，还在期待着至宝，那你真的是个弱智，你不知道怎么理解潜台词，智商低于90.
The games was basically just about Swin and Nadia. 100% next game is them looking for Rufus
游戏基本上是关于斯温娜迪亚的，下一个游戏100%是他们寻找大少。
The beginning is the end
开始就是结束
so?What was the point of the time travel?
————what was the point of Kuro?
所以时间旅行的意义是什么？
————黎轨的意义是什么？
i was supportive of kuro 1 but i fucking hope this game flops and falcom dies
我支持黎一，但我希望黎二完蛋法老控死。
kuro 1 was so good
黎一真棒。
I hate to say it but Kuro 1 had a better narrative than Kuro 2 along with overall presentation.
我不想这么说，但黎一的叙事和整体都比黎二要好。
Almost TWENTY YEARS WENT BY....until the vision of S-breaking inside the S-break of the enemy became reality
Thank you Falcom.
将近二十年，敌方S我方S终于成功了（最后决战演出），谢谢你
Oh, Kondo just wanted to break Marielle's heart again
All is forgiven 10/10 Kino
哦。近藤只是想再次伤玛丽埃尔的心，我原谅你了，给你10分
Not really. Kuro 1 and Kuro 2 are the only games thus far that haven't actually advanced the overarching plot of the series that began in Sky and are mostly just stand alone stories in the grand scheme of things. It's the same issue with 3rd which is why no surprise Japan disliked it.
不是说真的，黎一黎二是迄今为止唯一没有真正推进系列总体情节的游戏，他们大多只是一些独立故事，3rd也是，日本就有人不喜欢它。
So.. the Time Travel shtick is just there? No drawback? No funny stuff involved? It just happens?
所以。。时间旅行就这样？没有后果，没有任何有趣的地方，就这样发生了？
Imagine if we had actually gotten this in Kuro 1, and not spent an entire game for this single payoff
想像一下，如果我们在黎一中是是这个结局多好，而不是为了这个花费了一整部游戏
You niggers were screaming about it being Dingo but that farewell scene was really good
你们这些尼格说丁格不行，但是告别场面我觉得挺好的。
what a fucking nothing game this turned out to be holy fuck we got baited by the pv hard
这都是什么狗屁的空洞游戏，我们都被PV骗了
So since Kuro 2 shit the bed, how can we hope Ys X will learn from this mistake? I know they have different teams working on both series but I would hope that they pay some attention to what the other is doing so there will not be any shared bad ideas.
既然黎二已经一坨屎了，我们该怎么希望伊苏10从这个错误中吸取教训呢，我知道他们是不同的团队，但我希望他们能注意到对方在做的，这样就不会有共同的错误。
We all owe CS2 an apology, it's no longer the worst Kiseki game. Kuro 3 is going to be worse lol.
我们都应该向闪2道歉，不是最垃圾的轨迹游戏，黎三会是更烂，哈啊哈。
>All plot points from Kuro 1 will be wrapped up in Kuro 2?
So what was the point of this game?
黎一的秘密会在黎二揭晓和完成？
那么揭晓呢？
I feel like absolutely nothing happened.
我觉得什么都没发生
That was it??
就这样？
wait wat, like this?
等等，就这样？
It's... over?
结束了?
that was it,jesus fucking christ what a waste of time,im more mad than i was after cs4
就是这样，上天啊，真是浪费时间，我比闪4后还要疯。
What was the point of Kuro 2?
黎二有什么意义？
I have no idea what the fuck happened through this entire game
我不知道他妈的黎二讲了什么东西
literally nothing happened
实际上什么都没有发生
that was like the first half of a game
这就像是游戏的上半部分
THATS IT????
就这？
jesus falcom are getting even more lazy
上天啊，法老控越来越懒了。
GAME WAS FILLER AND FUCKING SINGA CREDITS THEME TO TOP IT OFF I'M SO GODDAMN ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MOST SOULLESS GAME YET!!!!!
游戏充斥着填充和搞笑，然后结束，我太愤怒了，这是迄今为止最垃圾的游戏。
I'm sure we'll get some closure in Kuro 7
我很确信我们会在黎轨7中结束
I can see alot of /fg/ quitting Falcom after this. For real this time. This has to be the biggest disaster in the entire series.
在这之后，我可以看到很多人退出法老控，这次是真的，这一定是系列最大的灾难。
plot moves nowhere and makes zero sense and full of filler
情节毫无进展，毫无意义，充满了填充。
>nothing about gramharts plan and he doesnt even do anything
>nothing about risettes backstory
>nothing about grimcatz
>nothing about the sept terrions
>time travel had no payoff at all
that pv made it look like this game was going to have so much going on
fuck you kondo
——Yeah I literally cannot believe Falcom did this. This is false advertising of the worst kind.
>对格兰哈特计划一无所知，他甚至啥都没做
>没有丽赛特的背景故事（这个其实羁绊稍微讲了点，说是14岁不能上学，别的没有了）
>没有关于幻夜之猫的故事（这个其实羁绊也稍微讲了点，说是50年前的变身器，别的也没有了）
>没有关于至宝的事
>时间旅行没有任何代价
pv让这游戏看起来有很多进展。 草拟的近藤
——是的，我不敢想像，法老控居然真的这么做了，这是最糟糕的虚假广告。
Yep. But if Ys X does not repeat the mistake of Kuro 2, I might give it a chance. Otherwise, I am literally done with Falcom games at this point.
是的，如果伊苏10不重复黎二的错误，我可能会给他一个机会，否则，法老控在我这结束了。
And with that, Kuro arc is now officially worse than CS.
也就是说，现在黎比闪还烂
I don't get what was bad about the ending
我不知道结局有什么不好的
kuro2？More like Kuro: Gaiden. People shit on 3rd for being a filler game but that actually felt like an advancement.
黎二？更像一个黎轨外传，填充起来，就像3rd一样。
Bruh like 95% of /fg/ is quitting the series right now. Kuro fell off harder in two games than CS in five.
95%的人会退出系列，黎的错误比闪五部的影响还要大。
when kuro 2 was good it was really good but i just feel like the game had no point at all and the trailers made it look like some serious shit was going to go down when it kind of... didn't
it was like a hajimari or 3rd tier plot
当黎二很好的时候真的很好，但我觉得这个游戏根本没有意义，预告片看起来像是有大的要来了，结果。。没有。像创和3rd。
What did Kuro 2 do besides waste a ton of time with dead ends?
黎二除了在死亡结局浪费了大多时间还做了什么？
I hate what Falcom has done to these series but I want to give the Ys series one last chance with X. If it's like Kuro 2, then I will wash my hands off of Falcom and sadly move on from their games altogether.
我讨厌法老控对这系列做的一切，但我会给伊苏最后一次机会，如果和黎二一样，我会悲伤地离开法老控
did they spend all their time on the animations or something
他们是把时间都放在动画上了吗？
>twelfth game in series that needs to hurry up and end already
>it's filler
Fucking unbelievable.
系列的第十二个游戏，需要加快进度结束的系列。
居然是填充的水了一作。
真他妈难以置信。
Jesus christ its like they wanted to kill this arc. Lets half-ass the sequel and then market it like stuff was actually going to happen. An entire game to literally resolve what happened to Dingo. Vagrants-Zion? Just irrelevant I guess, Nina just appears drops that bomb then fucks off. Its legit like they saw Kuro 1's sales and just decided to cashgrab with the sequel because they decided the arc was fucked.
老天，他们好像想杀死黎轨。让我们把续作搞得一塌糊涂，然后像真的一样进行营销。一场完整的轨迹游戏，只是解决了丁格的问题。漂泊？我想这无关紧要，妮娜只是出来，就又回去了。他们是看到了黎一的销售情况，然后就决定拿续作随便应付，因为他们觉得黎轨系列已经完蛋了。
——This.... this game is just an abomination! The negativity is strong in this general and we will NOT be coming back for the next game. Falcom can kiss their fans goodbye after this!!!
这个游戏真的讨人厌，总的来说让人非常不适，我们不会在下一个游戏里回来了，法老控可以跟他的粉丝吻别了。
1's sales were admitted to be disappointing and they follow it up with this. Are they trying to go bankrupt?
黎一的销售被承认是失望的，他们还这么做，想破产吗？
What was the drawback of so much time travel?
这么多时间旅行，缺点代价在哪里？
Yeah I think Kuro 1's sales had an effect on how they handled Kuro 2. I think they're gonna try to rush this arc to it's end with the 3rd game and then move on with something else hoping to recoup the costs and losses from the Kuro games by trying to hopefully copy some popular fad with their new Kiseki arc of games.
是的，我认为黎一的销售对他们处理黎二的方式产生了影响。我认为他们将尝试在第三个游戏里直接结束，然后继续做别的事，希望能过尝试在下一个X轨系列中复制一些元素来弥补成本。
Final thoughts:
Kuro 2 was a fun ride, but overall felt pretty pointless since it answered almost nothing and didn't advance the plot in any meaningful way.
Na-chan is cute.
7/10
最后的想法：黎二是一段有趣的旅程，但是很没有意义，他几乎没有回答任何问题，也没有以任何有意义的方式推进剧情。娜迪亚很可爱 7分。
Kuro 2 just became the modern platonic ideal of a series killer. Everyone is angry. Everyone agrees Kuro 2 is the worst game in the series.
黎二刚刚成为了这个系列的杀手，每个人都很生气，大家都认可黎二是最差的轨迹
Zero>SC>3rd>Kuro>Haji>FC>Ao>>>>>>>CS1>CS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CS2>CS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kuro 2
This game just further shows how you shouldn't try to write a time travel story if you don't know how
这个游戏进一步说明了，如果你不知道怎么写，那你就别写时间旅行的故事。
i was really excited for kuro 2 after 1 and defended it against all of the /fg/ doomposting
now i feel nothing towards kuro 3
在黎一后我真的很为黎二感到兴奋，并且一直在为他说话，但是现在对于黎三我也没有任何想法
Agreed. I genuinely hope Kuro 3 is a Sonic 06-tier atrocity that finally kills this series for good.
同意，我真心希望黎三像Sonic 06一样，直接暴毙杀死这个系列。
So am I, but in the Kuro 1 it felt like more stuff was happening
I legit can't remember many things in Kuro 2 beyond Dingo and the picnic scenes
我也是，在黎一似乎发生了很多事情，但黎二除了丁格和野餐队，我想不起什么了。
The they divided the first game of the arc into two ?
他们这是把一个游戏拆成两个？
The timeloop concept was perfect for a game devoted towards the Time Sept and instead they wasted it on fucking Dingo.
时间循环非常适合放在时至宝上，但是他们却他妈的浪费在丁格上。
I did not think it possible for the main storyline to move forward so little.
我没想到主要情节推动这么少
kuro 2 doesn't advance the plot of the world at all, that's why the intermission which has important stuff of the world is intermission, because it's disconnected from this game's plot which is totally unrelated to Zemuria
黎二一点都没有推进世界的情节，这就是为什么重要内容是断章，因为它与本游戏的情节断开了联系。
NISA actually saved us by taking down ZF. It's over.
————NISA got rid of fan TL so people couldn't play Kuro 2 early and drop the series while they're still trying to milk it. Masterfully played.
————So fucking glad NISA killed ZF now dude. Now we won't have to suffer this trash next year.
NISA通过杀死了ZF(Zero Filed,之前的民间翻译，翻了黎一被NISA律师函了)救了我们，一切都结束了。
————NISA取消了粉丝翻译，因此大家都不能玩到黎二然后放弃这个垃圾系列，它太聪明了。
————真他妈搞笑NISA杀死了ZF，现在我们就不用再忍受这种垃圾了。
>hajimari sets up gramhart as the next osborne and man with a plan
>does literally nothing for kuro 1 and 2
why do i always get baited by this fucking series
>创轨让格兰哈特大总统成为下一个奥斯本和有计划的人
>黎一黎二一点关系没有
为什么我总是被这个该死的系列引诱
If this game bombs, will they change the writers, tell Kondo to fuck off? Please?
如果这个游戏暴死了，他们会换编剧，让近藤滚吗？请？
i wouldn't have been nearly as mad if the trailers didn't make it look so good
如果预告片没有那么好看，我就不会这么生气了
Kuro 2 was a Gaiden game.
黎二是一款外传游戏
Game ended, literally nothing happens, Kondo talked out of his ass and the only loose end from Kuro closed was Quatre's backstory.
游戏结束了，什么都没发生，近藤说了很多废话，黎一留到黎二解决的只有卡特尔的故事。
I hope you never fucking translate Kuro 2.
我希望你们永远他妈的不要翻译黎二
Crimson SiN, more like Crimson SHiT.
深红之罪？感觉像深红之屎
So Kuro 2 is basically just filler and nothing important happened
所以黎二基本上只是在水，啥事都没发生
Yeah. It was Kuro 1.5, not Kuro 2.
对啊，像是黎1.5，而不是黎2
>Kuro 1 already has too many characters and a few are pretty underdeveloped
>instead of working on them they just ignore them, remove one of them from the game, bring in Nadia and Swin and focus on their story
>黎一已经有很多角色了，他们的故事还没有完成
>然后呢，将这些角色移除，引进娜迪亚和斯温，来讲他们的故事。
Falcom really should stop putting out one game every year. They keep retreading the same plotlines over and over again. The writing department is clearly at the lowest
法老控真的应该停止每年一个游戏，他们一遍又一遍重复同样的情节错误，写作部门显然是不行。
So glad NISA fucked this asshole over. I hope Kuro 2 never gets a fan translation.
很高兴NISA把这个事搅黄了，我希望黎二不会再有粉丝翻译。
The <Year dev time really fucked Kuro 2 over. They should have taken their time, not rushed into a new adventure
法老控的年货思想真的毁灭了黎二，他们应该慢慢来，而不是急于一时，
Unless the majority of the writing team quit or moved onto Ys 10 I cannot conceive how we've gone backwards. Kuro 1 looked like they learned all the right lessons and were on the right path. How the fuck did the team that wrote that somehow get to this.
除非大多数写剧本的都退了和进伊苏团队了，否则我无法想像是如何倒退成这样，黎一似乎学到了所有的教训，走上正确的路。剧本到底是怎么做到现在这样的。
This feels like they wanted to do a Swin and Nadia game, but they decided to mix Van and co up into it as well.
这感觉就像是他们想做一款斯温娜迪亚的故事，然后决定把范加进去。
————Yup
————是的
————I struggle to understand why Swin and Nadia even exist, so all the worse for it.
我很难理解为什么斯温娜迪亚存在，一切变得更糟。
Did we really need 2/3 of a game for Dingo's copy and the literal who revolutionary?
我们真的有必要拿2/3的游戏内容来制作关于丁格拷贝人和革命相关吗？
>learned nothing about mtsc and thorndyke
>nothing about risette
>nothing about what grimcatz is
>no political intrigue
>no expansion of the world
>no sept-terrion
>even the time travel was consequence free
>gramhart continued to do nothing
和之前的差不多
what the FUCK were they thinking when they wrote this game
他们在写这个游戏的时候到底在想什么？
————it's Kuro 1.5 finishing the Genesis storyline
这是完成了创世相关故事的黎1.5
————HAHA..
哈哈
Let's hope they put a much bigger budget in Ys X
我希望他们能在伊苏10里面投入更多
It's filler because it doesn't move the plot forward on anything in the overarching story, except the Genesis thing maybe.
它是填充的，所以不会推动故事情节的发展，除了创世的故事
I think all the fakeouts are what piss me off most.
> Edith invasion fakeout
> Elaine walking into the mist (implying her dying forever)
> Towa dying fakeout (everyone called this though)
> Heiyue civil war being a nothingburger
我想虚假宣传是最让我生气的
>伊迪斯入侵是假的
>OST剑女的那个雾中镜头（暗示她会出事）假的
>托娃出事
>黑月内战无意义
I have lost all motivation to revise my Genki lessons tonight, doomposting probably exaggerating it but my hype has superdeflated
我已经失去了今晚复习日语的全部动力，当然也有可能是我反应过度了。
I'm actually fine with this game gonna kill the series for good. Falcom really learn nothing from CS criticism
事实上，我很满意这作将杀死轨迹，法老控从闪轨的批评里学不到任何东西
So in the end Kuro II was just a gaiden game and a conclusion to the plot points started in Hajimari rather than something advancing the main plotline?
所以最终黎二只是一个外传游戏，剧情类似创，而不是推进故事？
Who would have thought time travel without any consequences would be pretty boring... Oh well, someone at Falcom probably didnt...
谁会不知道没有任何后果的时间旅行非常无聊呢。。。。哦，法老控可能想不到吧。
>Other characters show up
>They don't steal the spotlight from the cold steel cast
>Kuro2
>Main characters and kuro oriinals get overfuckingshadowed
APOLOGIZE！
>其他角色出现
>但他们不会从闪轨里抢戏
>黎二
>黎轨的主要角色和故事收到了极大的影响
道歉！
Yeah. All I got was Swin and Nadia were cancerous additions to Kiseki along with the stupid Garden shit. I feel they're dragging the overall story down. But I suppose this wouldn't have happened if they hadn't written Ouroboros to be a bunch of pathetic softies after the Sora trilogy.
是啊，斯温娜迪亚，还有弱智的庭园狗屎，我认为这拖累了整个故事。如果他们没有在空轨三部曲后把结社写成一堆可怜的软蛋，这就不会发生。
I just want one of these jap journos to corner Kondo and ask him, as politely as possible, why the series has such retards plots? The curse, free time-travel, fucking Dingo. Can someone just try to get him to admit this shit just ruins the story?
我只想让日本记者把近藤逼到角落里，尽可能礼貌问他，为什么这个游戏有这么多弱智情节？诅咒，肆意的时间旅行，丁格拷贝人。有人能让他承认这毁了故事吗？
I was on chapter 5 in Kuro 1,planning to finish it this weekend. Now I don't know if I want to continue anymore after seeing this game. Van from being cautious man turned into a retard charging through everything with nonsense rewind plot armor
我正在黎一的第五章，计划本周完成，看完这个后我不知道要不要继续玩了，范恩亚克莱德在黎一是一个小心翼翼的人，黎二里变成了一个弱智，用无止境的回溯解决问题。
Why not just make one good game instead of 2 shitty game? When will they stop milking this series
我们为什么不做一个好游戏而不是做两个垃圾游戏呢？他们什么时候可以停止这种行为。
I'm surprised that no one cares that Elaine, Celis, and Rion were almost completely irrelevant even though they were advertised pretty heavily (especially Elaine). I feel like Elaine had more going on when she was a side character than when she was a main
我感到惊讶，没有人注意到剑女，塞莉丝，里翁，几乎和游戏毫无关系，尽管他们广告营销非常多（尤其是剑女）。我觉得剑女在黎一当配角的时候更有魅力。
Kinda sucks now knowing that everyone being more lethal and the resets were just a plot contrivance to pad the game.
现在知道了每个人都更具有攻击性还有重置只是为了填充游戏，这太糟糕了。
Bros we're so fucked
真他妈的
So given the picnic kids ruined another game, how will Kuro 3 recover from this?
所以，考虑到野餐队小孩们毁灭了游戏吗，黎三怎么办呢？
I blame Lloyd for this trainwreck. He should have listened to Rean's advice in Hajimari.
我把这次事故归于罗伊德，他应该在创听取黎恩的建议。
What about marchen garten being relevant to the story? Did the reviewer lie?
童话庭园跟这个故事有关吗？评论员撒谎了吗？
I think Agnes and Elaine both lost since they were both irrelevant
我想学妹和剑女都输得透彻，故事跟她们都不相关
So as I understand Kuro II is basically
>Prologue, first two chapters good
>Intermission 10/10 brap kino
>Chapter III and finale utter dogshit beside some reveal
据我所知，黎二属于，序章前两章很好，断章10分，后两章除了一些信息揭露都是狗屎。
Kuro 2 must be fucking awful to make CS2 look good in comparison, damn
与闪2相比，黎2简直太糟糕了，该死。
The intermission is not as good as you're making it out to be. It's just a bunch of disjointed plots that are thrown at you at the same time so it feels epic in scale,
But at the end of the day, most of the things that happen are unrelated to each other and have close to zero setup, and most of those threads ended there to boot.
间章根本没你想像的那么好，只是一堆杂乱无章的剧情，同时向你抛出东西，让你觉得规模很大很牛逼。但归根到底，这些事彼此都没有什么关联。
this is why falcom spent so much on marketing they knew they had a dud
这就是为什么法老控宣发这么劲，因为他们也知道这是个哑炮。
Game might be enjoyable, just not worthy spending your bucks on it, should have been an expansion to Kuro 1 or something
游戏可能很有趣，但是不值得你花那么多钱，应该是作为黎一的DLC或者别的什么。
Remember when deaths meant something in this series, now there's a possibiility that everyone who has died can come back via le data
记住死亡在这个系列的意义，任何一个死亡的人都可以变成数据回来。
Swin and Nadia hacjaked the game and were given more screentime than the fucking main party
————yes the picnic autists ruined the game. it's a damn shame the most of the main kuro party had to be sidelined for it.
斯温娜迪亚在游戏中大放异彩，获得了他妈的比主角团还要多的剧情
————是的，他们摧毁了比赛，这真是太遗憾了，大多数的黎轨角色都被边缘化了。
Chinaman said he feels nothing, although the game seemingly has a lot of content. Pacing feels pretty weird, and he start laughing. Pretty tired / bored, especially during act 3. Praise the system and gameplay. Also saying game development is not an easy thing to do, hoping YS X will be good.
Looks like its over bros... Even chinaman was pretty dissapointed
————Yeah if even chinaman is not very thrilled about this game, then you know something isn't right. Well atleast he complimented the gameplay. But like him, I will simply just wait for Ys X and give Falcom one last chance to keep me invested in their products.
中国人（za10087logo)说他什么都感觉不到，尽管游戏有很多内容，但很奇怪，他开始大笑。很累/很无聊，尤其是第三部。他赞扬了系统和游戏性，还说了游戏开发不容易，希望伊苏10会更好。
————是的，如果中国人都对这个游戏不太兴奋，那么你就会知道这里面绝对有问题。不过至少他称赞了游戏的玩法。和他一样，我会等待伊苏10，给法老控最后一次机会让我继续投资和支持他们的作品。