[讨论] Reddit 棒球版讨论 '05 洋基队阵容

楼主: SkyPlus (Sky)   2024-01-02 15:37:53
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/18rsjrs
原标题: The 2005 Yankees roster was insane and loaded with personality.
2005 洋基球员名单有够狂而且充满个性突出球员
The Big Unit leading that rotation at 41 years old
41岁的巨怪还可以在这当投手王牌
Absolutely insane. Came back to AZ two years later and had a 3.81 ERA at
43yrs old and a 3.91 ERA at 44.
One of the few bright spots in the dark pit of despair that is
Arizona sports.
而且两年后回到响尾蛇,分别在43与44岁投出 3.81 与 3.91 ERA
在AZ运动黑暗时期的少数亮点
One of the more amusing aspects of this roster full of vets on the
downslope chasing rings is that former Yankee and fellow
downslope vet El Duque won a ring that year when he helped the Sox
absolutely truck everyone in the postseason.
有意思的是洋基想靠这群走下坡的老球员拿冠军,但因为太老而没续约的
Orlando Hernández 却带着白袜夺冠。
Imagine telling your fans you have Johnson, Brown and Mussina but
then telling them it’s 2005 haha
想像一下对粉丝公布队上有RJ, Kevin Brown, Mussina。但已经是2005了。
This team has the 2nd most career WAR of any team ever - only the
1928 A's have more. That team blended new stars Lefty Grove, Al
Simmons, Jimmie Foxx and Mickey Cochrane with cameo appearances
from aging veterans Eddie Collins, Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb.
Both of these teams, if everyone were in their primes, would be
projected to easily break the seasonal wins record.
这支球队拥有有史以来第二多的生涯WAR——只有1928年的运动家拥有更多。
当时队上有 Lefty Grove, Al Simmons, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Cochrane,
Eddie Collins, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb
如果每个人都处于巅峰,这两支球队预计将轻松打破单季胜场记录。
Probably behind the 2024 dodgers
但都不会比2024道奇强
These names bring a special youthful nostalgic driven rage to my chest.
Edit: except for Mark Bellhorn, you legend, you.
红袜迷:
看到这些人就让我怀念年轻时的愤青心情
(但不包含英雄 Mark Bellhorn)
I’m 30. This roster and a couple years prior is why everyone I
knew were Yankees fans. As a kid they were a blast
我30岁了,这名单就是当时我朋友都支持洋基的原因。
Honestly I might even prefer the 2006 Yankees lineup. Playoffs
they had Giambi DHing, Sheffield at 1B, Damon in CF, and Bobby Abreu in RF
我比较喜欢2006洋基季后赛阵容: DH Giambi, 1B Sheffield, CF Damon,
RF Bobby Abreu
I think the 2006 lineup was jokingly called "murderers row, plus Cano."
我都开玩笑说那是 "无差别屠杀打线,包含 Cano"
More like loaded with old men
只是一群老人罢了
Yankees led the league both in batter age, at 32.4, and pitcher age, at 34.2.
Their games also lasted the longest, at an average time of 3:02.
打者和投手平均年纪都是当时最大,比赛时间也最长。
Might have been loaded with old men, but even more surprisingly,
those old men could still fucking bang
虽然都是老人,但他们还是很好用
From 2002 to 2007 Yankees were 1st or 2nd in runs per game every
season except 2003, where they were third. The strategy of
buying/trading for a bunch of old all-star hitters absolutely
worked, it was the strategy of doing the same with pitchers that
didn't.
除了03外,02~07洋基平均每场得分都在联盟第一或第二。
他们的打者签约哲学很有用,但可惜老投手不管用。
DRS rates the 2005 Yankees as the worst defensive team from
2003-present at -120 DRS, though the 04/06 teams it thinks are
merely regular bad.
洋基的 2005 DRS 防守数据是2003以来所有球队最烂的,04,06则是一般烂。
Robinson Cano was playing in the majors in 2005?? Damn, I'm old ☠
Cano 05年上大联盟,原来我已经老了
Even with Cano...he was never that hot of a prospect but got off
to a torrid start in AAA and got a shot and ran with it.
Cano 都不被视为顶尖新秀,当时在3A打出成绩才有机会上来。
(got a shot 打禁药双关XD)
I have fond memories of Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright.
我对 Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright 有美好回忆
Because they stayed at IL(DL at that time) for a long time,
Chien-Ming Wang got a rotation spot to prove his stuff.
因为他们在DL躺了一长串时间,王建民才有机会发光。
Miss ChienMing Wang
想念王建民
Never letting pitchers run the bases ever again
永远别再让投手跑垒了
I was there, Gandalf, I was there 5000 years ago.
When the strength of Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon faded.
(I was there meme)
那段 Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon 威力消散的时光...
It was loaded on something.
充满著...?
Manny and Big Papi say Hi
Manny 和老爹在对你们说 Hi
That was the year when Yankees were stacked with stars but it was Aaron
Small who sold his soul to devils for half a season to save the Yankees
season.
虽然是全明星阵容,却需要靠出卖灵魂的 Aaron Small 拯救洋基。
It’s so funny because in real time, RJ was crapped on for being “
awful” and not being able to handle NEW YORK CITY (in my best
Pace picante voice). And now, with perspective we see the dude put
up 4.1 and 3.2 fWAR at ages 41 & 42, respectively. And won 17
games each year. I guess when you put up 9.6 fWAR at 40 it changes
our expectations lol. And poor guy wasn’t getting much help in
that starting rotation. That lineup though…
I still think Gary Sheffield is under appreciated.
虽然 RJ 在当时被媒体嫌到臭头,但是 41 岁和 42 岁可以投出
4.1, 3.2 fwar 与 17 胜还不够吗?只可惜他得不到队友支援拿下冠军。
另外当时的 Gary Sheffield 也被低估了。
Sidenote: Randy Johnson threw 4 complete games that year, no
shutouts while Mussina threw 2 CGSOs that year.
So i retract my initial judgment: insane is a good word for that
roster
RJ完投4场, Mussina 两次完投完封。这阵容的确很狂。
What’s the story on Aaron Small? I’ve never heard of him, but he
went 10-0, so I figured he must be pretty good. I looked up his
stats and this season was a major outlier. He didn’t do much the
rest of his career.
有谁能介绍一下 Aaron Small 吗? 我没听过他,但是那一季他 10-0 代表他很强?
但好像没有很完整的生涯。
He was a junkballer righty who came up after a lot of time in the
minors and went on a run at the right time. It wasn’t all luck
and a great offense behind him - he was locating well and gutsy.
But dude’s stuff was really fringy for MLB.
他原本只被期待上来吃垃圾时间,但他不单纯只是靠球队打很多分的好运投手。
当时他的球也很会跑而且很准。但可惜没有足够的 stuff。
Damn Chien Ming Wang, definitely wish he was healthy enough during the CC
Sabathia days. That injury was the most unnecessary one for a pitcher to have
王建民可惜了。我超希望看他和 CC 一起奋战的日子。
因为跑垒让投手受伤实在是太糟糕了。
My favorite Mike Mussina quote, when discussing salary with
Cashman and Mussina's agent,
"Let's get one thing straight. You are NOT paying me less than
Carl Pavano."
我最爱的 Mussina 金句(在他和 Cashman 谈薪时):
"我直说了,你不会想让我的薪水比 Carl Pavano 低吧?"
It's interesting that Chacon and Wang (and kind of Wright but not really)
were the only pitchers in their 20s to get significant innings that year.
That team was old. Like really old.
只有 Wang 和 Chacon 两个 20 多岁投手有能力做出贡献 (还有那个不想提的 Wright)
真是有够老的球队。
作者: lb01833364 (Limpid)   2024-01-02 15:40:00
王建民跑垒 永远的痛……
作者: dd1115dd1115 (jeff lou)   2024-01-02 15:43:00
一辈子的痛qq
作者: chen92105 (ansonchen)   2024-01-02 15:44:00
哭啊
作者: dw1012 (赞曰:寡言 )   2024-01-02 15:44:00
2005 怎么可以忘了 Tony Womack
作者: strayfrog (蛙)   2024-01-02 15:47:00
想起老王还跑去跟RJ要菸草吃
楼主: SkyPlus (Sky)   2024-01-02 15:47:00
原文有 Womack, 不过感觉没什么特别内容就没翻了XD
作者: Notif520 (小鸽子)   2024-01-02 15:54:00
老王跟巨怪更经典应该还是被罚跑步然后拉巨怪一起跑
作者: k33536 (是什么?)   2024-01-02 15:55:00
老穆的经典应该还有 you stay there!
作者: alex2426chen   2024-01-02 15:55:00
Small生涯很普通 那年就突然来个10-0 然后就现型
作者: pclemens (爱心哥三段)   2024-01-02 15:56:00
Aaron Small神奇的一季 好怀念XD
作者: alex2426chen   2024-01-02 15:58:00
那年也是老王跟乌鱼子 才让NYY重新重视农场新秀
作者: strayfrog (蛙)   2024-01-02 16:01:00
Aaron Small当年真的让人觉得他跟魔鬼做交易XD
作者: MarchelKaton (KatonKaton)   2024-01-02 16:08:00
03-05年的美联东区真的好看红袜有神右、席林、威尔斯和蝴蝶老魏
作者: ohya111326 (0.0)   2024-01-02 16:20:00
有王100分
作者: jones520520 (多多)   2024-01-02 16:21:00
24道奇有比09洋基强吗
作者: lookers (实体店面 货到付款 宅配)   2024-01-02 16:23:00
aaron small那季跟brady anderson50轰哪个fluke大
作者: TRosenthal (DavidFreese)   2024-01-02 16:39:00
当然是Anderson,你可以运气很好而10-0但可不能运气很好而50轰
作者: jkhcc (老师)   2024-01-02 16:45:00
讲打线然后没人提到松井秀喜???
楼主: SkyPlus (Sky)   2024-01-02 16:47:00
有人提到松井,但没有引发讨论
作者: pf775101 (哈哈哈)   2024-01-02 17:14:00
王如果不受伤也许真能百胜 真干的跑垒
作者: ellisteng145 (Ellis)   2024-01-02 17:18:00
王感觉刚要进巅峰的
作者: tom92186 (Dr.Koto)   2024-01-02 18:20:00
EA MVP2005也是那年很夯的啊
作者: shuo1010 (凉风有讯)   2024-01-02 19:24:00
王那年开季很顺就那该死的跑垒
作者: Johnwalk426 (Johnwalk0426)   2024-01-02 20:01:00
08年开季投的觉得比前两季都来的好
作者: dlcro   2024-01-02 20:17:00
看来不是只有Ptt都老人 嘻嘻
作者: lyk191947 (kuan)   2024-01-02 23:48:00
唉 那年的跑垒太痛了
作者: dw1012 (赞曰:寡言 )   2024-01-03 01:43:00
Womack贡献就是烂到让洋基忍不住立刻拉Cano上来
作者: salkuo   2024-01-03 02:29:00
真的很怀念的一年Xd
作者: lakres51204 (LPC)   2024-01-03 12:34:00
MVPbaseball2005 永远的神

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