Fw: [新闻] 被威逼?周刊爆台塑越钢辱赔161亿元内幕

楼主: cka   2016-07-06 16:21:10
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标题: Re: [新闻] 被威逼?周刊爆台塑越钢辱赔161亿元内幕
时间: Wed Jul 6 14:42:53 2016
※ 引述《chaos21 (cosmos)》之铭言:
: 1.媒体来源:
: 联合报
: 2.完整新闻标题:
: 被威逼?周刊爆台塑越钢辱赔161亿元内幕
: 3.完整新闻内文:
: 2016-07-06 09:42 联合新闻网 综合报导
: 台塑在越南的河静钢铁厂,因排放废水致鱼群大量死亡,遭越南判罚5亿美元(新台币161
: 亿元)天价罚金。而原先台塑才呼吁越南政府共组调查团查明真相,不到半个月就又通通
: 认赔,《壹周刊》报导指出,其实是台塑总裁王文渊与副总裁王瑞华前往越南洽谈点火事
: 宜时遭到威逼,王文渊为了顾全大局只能忍辱认赔。
: 关于越南毒鱼事件,越南政府要求台塑赔偿高达5亿美元的赔偿金,原先台塑在股东会上
: 呼吁要越南政府共组调查团,查明真相还清白,却不到半个月就通通认赔承认是“下包商
: 作业疏失所致”。
: 周刊报导就指出,六月中王文渊与王瑞华亲自到越南说明点火事宜,但
: 其实却是被逼迫赔偿毒鱼事件,知情台商更透露,当时越南官员放话若谈不出结果,两人
: 都不准走。此外,台塑越钢四位高阶台干还被限制出境,有台商说“这根本就是绑票,逼
: 台塑拿钱赎人。”
: 越钢可说是王文渊一手催生,也是台塑近十年来最大的海外投资。2007年台塑砸下3000亿
: 元落脚河静,原本预定在6月25日举行第一座高炉的点火竣工仪式,都因为毒鱼事件被迫
: 取消。六月底越南镇暴警察部队进驻越钢,名义上是防范人民闯入暴动,但其实是在监督
: 不准动工。
: 除了认赔5亿美元并由越南董事长陈源成上电视道歉,报导中甚至指出,越南官方要求台
: 塑签下但书,要求台塑未来不得提出任何诉愿、国际仲裁,否则越钢就别想点火。越钢副
: 总张复宁则回应,与越方签署的条件因保密条款不得透露,河静钢厂则将分两次偿还5亿
: 美元,时间点尚未确认。
: 4.完整新闻连结 (或短网址):
: http://udn.com/news/story/6/1809662
: 5.备注:
我读到的事件经过怎么都没提,下游厂商都有人死了耶
新闻来源
http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/vietnam-fish-deaths-cast-suspicion-on-formosa-steel-plant/
Vietnam Fish Deaths Cast Suspicion on Formosa Steel Plant
In central Vietnam, fish are dying on a massive scale, and locals suspect
pollution is the cause.
越南鱼只死亡事件疑似与台塑河静钢铁公司有关
在越南中部,鱼只大量死亡,当地人怀疑其为污染所致。
In addition to the off-shore conflict in the South China Sea, Vietnamese
citizens now have to face another disaster on the country’s central coast.
Unprecedented fish kills have been discovered along the beaches of four
central coastal provinces, namely Ha Tinh, Quang Tri, Quang Binh, and Hue.
Among the dead fish are not only small, shallow water fish, but also rare
species living in deep water and far offshore.
除了南海冲突外,越南民众还得面对另一项发生在他们中部海岸的灾难。沿着中部
沿海,前所未闻的鱼只死亡事件已经发生,地点包括河静省、广治省、广平省及顺
化省。死亡的鱼类种类不限于小型的浅海物种,还包括深海与离岸的种类。
Vnexpress, a Vietnamese news agency, cited the Vietnam Directorate of
Fisheries as saying that “The total loss reached 4.7 billion dong (around
$200,000) in less than one week, including 37,200 brood fish, 900,000 brood
shrimps, and 200,000 brood clams in Ha Tinh Province. Hue also lost 5,900
brood fishes.”
Vnexpress-越南的一家新闻媒体,引述越南渔业局的说法如下:在一星期内,损失
换算金额达47亿越南盾(换算约20万美金),包括在河静省的3万7千200条种鱼、90万
只种虾及20万只种贝。在顺平省损失了5千9百条种鱼。
Then, on April 24, a 100 kg whale was also found dead on the coast of Hue
Province. According to the coastal citizens, this is an abnormal phenomenon,
since previously discovered dead whales had been much larger and presumably
died from old age. Locals are concerned that this small whale also died from
poisoned water, along with the other fish in the mass fish kills along the
central coast this month. This raised alarm among the citizens since it
offered proof of the massive extent of the poisoned area.
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接着在四月24日,一条100公斤的鲸鱼被发现陈尸于顺平省的海岸上。这是个不寻常
的现象,在此事件前被发现的死鲸体型多数体型较大,推测死因亦多为老死。当地民
众关注这条鲸鱼,担心它跟大量鱼只都是死于有毒水污染。死鲸事件让民众警觉到被
污染的地区涵盖范围甚广。
Never in their life have local fishermen caught fish so easily and in such a
great amount, and yet felt so frustrated and desperate. No one dares to eat
the fish. Some who tried have already had to go the hospital.
当地渔民从未如此轻易就取得渔获,但同时,心理却感到非常地挫败。没有人敢吃
这些鱼,有些尝试过的人还必须就医治疗。
On April 26, five divers with the Nibelc company, a construction company
contract by Hung Nghiep Formosa Ha Tinh Steel Corp (an offshoot of the
Taiwan-based Formosa Plastics Group) had to be hospitalized suspiciously,
allegedly due to pollution dumped by Formosa industrial site into the sea
water in Ha Tinh. Previously, on April 24, Le Van Ngay, another Nibelc diver,
died after diving in the water near the Formosa project.
在4月26日,5个来自 Nibelc公司的潜水伕(Nibelc公司有与台塑河静钢铁公司签订
工程合约)疑似必须入院治疗,据传是位于河静省的台塑工业区排进海里的污染所致。
在之前的4月24日,Le Van Ngay - 一位同样来自Nibelc公司的潜水伕,在台塑工程
计画附近的水域潜水后离世。
While the government has been slow in responding and investigating the fish
deaths, the citizens and reporters of VTV, together with the Investigation
Center of Ha Tinh, conducted a public experiment with the polluted sea water.
The experiment observed two normal, living fish dying within two minutes of
swimming in the water sample. The first official conclusion from the Vietnam
Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development was that the cause of the fish
kill was not contagious disease but poisoned water. However, there have been
no announcement as to what could have tainted the water.
当政府调查在鱼只死亡事件牛步进行时,民众及VTV的记者,以及河静省的检调中心,
对被污染的海水执行了公开实验。实验观察到两只正常活鱼,在置于实验海水样本后
2分钟内死去。来自越南农业部及乡村发展部门的第一份官方报告的结论是:鱼只死亡
并不是传染性疾病造成,而是有毒污水所致。但与此同时,并未有任何声明是何种物质
造成此污染。
Local fishermen have been observing the dumping process of Formosa’s steel
plant in Ha Tinh province. The fishermen found out about the existence of an
undersea dumping pipeline two years ago, but the dumping was not noticeable.
According to their accounts, this year there was suddenly a huge amount of
discharge, visible in the form of a red water column near the pipes. After
that, the mass fish kill appeared across all four central coastal provinces.
当地渔民曾观察到台塑河静钢铁公司在河静省排放废水。渔民在两年前就已发现海中
的废水排放管线,但是排放情形并不明显。根据渔民的说法,今年突然有大量红色
水层出现在排放管线附近,在那之后鱼只大量死亡事件就发生在中部沿海四省了。
An investigation is still underway, and a Vietnamese official cautioned that
there is no proof linking Formosa to the fish deaths. However, Formosa has
drawn fire for the blunt words of Chu Xuan Pham, the director of the company’
s local external relations department. In an interview with VTC on April 25,
he said: “Before acquiring the land, we already advised local fishermen to
change their jobs. Despite our early recommendation, local fishermen kept on
fishing in this area. Many times in life, people have to make a choice:
either to catch and sell fish, or to develop the steel industry. We cannot
have both.”
调查仍然在进行中,一位越南官员警告尚未有证据显示台塑与鱼只死亡事件有关。
然而,台塑副处长朱春帆的失言点燃了火苗。在4月25日的VTC访谈中,朱春帆说:
在取得土地前,我们就已劝说当地渔民转行。虽然我们早已劝说,但当地渔民仍旧
继续于此地捕鱼。人生中有很多次必须做出选择,在捕鱼卖鱼或是发展钢铁业之间,
两者只能取其一。
What an attitude! Formosa publicly announced they had invested $45 million in
the dumping system. Based on the comment from Formosa’s representative, the
investors believe that they have already paid their money and now are free to
“develop” however they want. Chu later apologized for his comment, but the
damage was done.
真是高傲的姿态! 台塑宣称他们已经投资了4千5百万美元在废水排放系统上。根据
台塑代表的发言,投资者相信他们已投下资金,可以自由"开发"他们想要的东西。
朱春帆后来已对其发言道歉,但由此而生的伤害已经造成了。
Making things worse, it seemed like Formosa, a multi-national corporation,
had elevated itself even above the Vietnamese government. At the beginning,
state-assigned inspectors were forbidden from entering the Formosa’s land,
based on concerns about confidentiality. Only after the reporters and
citizens raised concerns did Formosa allow the inspectors to take the samples
for testing.
更糟的是,台塑这家多国企业,似乎认为本身地位凌驾于越南政府。事件初始时,
台塑不允许越南政府指派的调查员进入台塑的厂区,理由是为了保护工业机密,
而在记者与公众关心升高后,台塑才允许调查者采集样本供作检验。
Looking back at Formosa’s record on environmental issues, perhaps it’s not
surprising that 30 tons of fish have died in one week in Vietnam. In 2009,
the Formosa Plastics Group “won” the Black Planet award, a negative “award
” issued by the German foundation Ethecon to individuals and companies
engaging in environmental destruction (a fellow “winner” is Monsanto,
which, along with Dow Chemical, manufactured the infamous Agent Orange).
While making a great contribution to the industrialization and economic
development of Taiwan, Formosa Plastics Group has also earned a bad
reputation for harming the environment. In the United States, in Texas and
Louisiana, Formosa factories were found to have dumped toxins into the land
and groundwater, and even the Mississippi River. In 2009, Formosa was fined
$2.8 million dollars by the EPA to resolve environmental problems in Texas
and Louisiana.
看过台塑过去的环保纪录后,也许就不会对30吨的鱼只在一星期内死亡这种事情大惊
小怪。在2009年,台塑就已经赢得黑色地球奖- 一个由地球公民基金会颁发,给参与
环境破坏的个人及企业的殊荣(另一个获奖者是孟山都,跟陶式化学一同制造恶名昭彰的
"橙剂")。在对台湾的工业及经济发展有所贡献的同时,台塑集团对环境破坏这事也是
恶名昭彰的。在美国的德克萨斯洲及路易斯安那洲,台塑工厂就曾被发现排放有毒物质
到土地及地下水里,更甚的是密西西比河中。在2009年,台塑就前述两洲的环境问题被
当地环保署罚款280万美元。
In 1998, Formosa Plastic dumped 3,000 tons of waste (containing mercury) in
in Sihanoukville, Cambodia. When residents fell ill (five later died), it
sparked riots. Roughly 1,000 citizens fled their homes and marched on Phnom
Penh. The Cambodian government later sued Formosa for bribing the local
government with $4 million to be allowed to dump the waste; 30 local
officials were forced to resign.
在1998年,台塑在柬埔寨的施亚努市倾倒3000吨含汞废弃物,当地人因此感到不适
(其中5人死亡),抗议因此发生,约千名民众远离家乡前去金边游行抗议。柬埔寨
政府后来起诉台塑,因其以4百万美元贿赂当地政府以取得排放污水许可:30名地方
官员因此去职。
A similar situation seems to be repeating in Vietnam. It has been almost one
month since the first fish deaths, but the government has been slow to react
and there seem to be no signs of an effective solution.
相似的情况似乎在越南又再度上演,在鱼只死亡事件后已经过一个月,但越南政府
就此事反应迟缓,同时似乎没有任何有效解决问题的方案的迹象。
作者: lariat (幸福 自由 富足)   2015-07-06 14:46:00
朱春帆就台湾过太爽的惯老板啊...
作者: rabbit83035 (远野妖怪前线)   2015-07-06 14:46:00
作者: Whitening (whitening)   2015-07-06 14:48:00
这篇是比较深入的报导
作者: cdmlin (cdmlin)   2015-07-06 14:48:00
好奇哪种废水能造成近200浬海域鱼死亡? 此废水可做化武了
作者: nnsc (nnsc)   2015-07-06 14:53:00
这次竟然会给钱,他们家族不是死都要钱吗
作者: dreamnook (亚龙)   2015-07-06 14:55:00
会怕子弹
作者: f124 (....)   2015-07-06 15:02:00
不能这么说 要鱼要工厂你只能选一个老板最怕人关了 押他护照不让他出境就付钱了 颗颗
楼主: cka   2015-07-06 15:26:00
云林麦寮早该也检查一下啊...
作者: fku5566 (法克尤五六)   2015-07-06 15:29:00
全球前列的黑心公司呵呵 惯老板活该被共产政府整
作者: infantry3900 (vesal)   2015-07-06 15:44:00
麦寮的排水沟都马有人在钓鱼
作者: seagina (BURNNING!)   2015-07-06 16:08:00
王董关在里面 面对坦克能不妥协吗
作者: william7713 (..)   2016-07-06 16:51:00
哪有什么 他们最后就迁回来 还不是继续做 台湾政府只会重罚两万
作者: tonyd (天生平凡)   2016-07-06 17:19:00
鱼放到污染海里2分钟就死亡??...妈呀 根本就剧毒阿...这不被赶走 根本就已经很仁慈了好吗 这要花多久时间恢复阿
作者: gn01657736 (gn01657736)   2016-07-06 18:01:00
台湾老板真的过很爽
作者: littleaoc (独领风骚)   2016-07-06 18:09:00
金鸡母放回来就太蠢了
作者: swatch3484 (白熊)   2016-07-06 18:11:00
不排放污染不就没事,还有新闻怪越南政府土匪。我看是鬼岛法律让这些老板过太爽。
作者: snthasin (宅男一号..冏rz.....)   2016-07-06 18:21:00
炼钢制程有哪些化学品这么毒?量这么大?蛮怀疑的
作者: YJM1106 (YM)   2016-07-06 18:25:00
这内文根本农场写法呀XD
作者: pudin2008 (布丁)   2016-07-06 18:33:00
台塑不易外
作者: teardropbox (只想一个人静一静)   2016-07-06 18:55:00
赔得好 最好整厂赔光光 这保护费只是头款而已
作者: jlu (憔悴江南倦客)   2016-07-06 18:57:00
如果是氰化物,就一点都不奇怪了
作者: vincewe (蒐哩蒐哩)   2016-07-06 18:57:00
炼钢有这么毒?那中钢早就GG了,报导真实性真的很可疑
作者: ptta (ptta)   2016-07-06 19:05:00
这不是越南的问题,换成在台湾排污水有人可以接受吗?
作者: FESTUM (邪影)   2016-07-06 19:08:00
这真的假的?! 如果真的话台塑被抄家活该 但他好歹大厂真的敢玩得这么绝、这么蠢....
作者: mailismine (心的方向)   2016-07-06 19:24:00
在台湾过太爽,以为别人都跟中华民国政府一样是白痴
作者: jasonkey123 (jasonkey123)   2016-07-06 19:25:00
越南也学中国那套,缺钱就收台湾公司保护费几年前可成也被这样玩过.
作者: s3f4e9g6aa7 (香肠男孩)   2016-07-06 19:50:00
讲这么委屈,不爽不要去设厂,不要偷排废水阿
作者: kitune (狐)   2016-07-06 20:19:00
炼钢就是这么毒 不用怀疑
作者: josula (The devil wears adidas)   2016-07-06 21:11:00
台湾政府也学学越南好吗
作者: digital1130 (Facetoface)   2016-07-06 21:35:00
钢板用碱液洗 没有稀释直接排放确实会死很多鱼
作者: Laotoe (老头)   2016-07-06 22:08:00
停工、罚钜款都算了,我还是觉得应该要公布调查结果欸........
作者: Csir (张胖胖)   2016-07-06 22:20:00
台湾越南住毒水附近居民都不敢武力私刑报复!
作者: atpx (秋雨的心情)   2016-07-06 22:35:00
老王个性不意外, 能抠则抠. 环保? 能吃吗
作者: q11010 (耳朵)   2016-07-06 22:52:00
几乎所有重工业都很毒 就看有没有良心先自己处理好..
作者: marktony (What's next)   2016-07-06 23:41:00
干,中钢参股四分之一,这种报导你也信?完全没证据就办了,怎么台湾的觉醒青年这时候不跳出来讲话?
作者: Kingyyeeoo (金歪歪)   2016-07-06 23:56:00
在台xx油都合法
作者: wdv999 (呆呆)   2016-07-07 00:03:00
颗颗重点是赔的钱是从员工的奖金扣吧!惯老板继续爽~
作者: elittle (已经净空完毕 )   2016-07-07 00:10:00
麦寮那个一定有毒阿 我同事麦寮人 他健检血液里面有重金属污染
作者: comicreader (燃烧的狐狸)   2016-07-07 01:26:00
补一下废水所含成分相关新闻http://www.civilmedia.tw/archives/50211
作者: joh (30分灭一国的匈奴)   2016-07-07 01:36:00
这篇文章乱写的成分居多...
作者: comicreader (燃烧的狐狸)   2016-07-07 01:50:00
外电报导 看看红色海水长怎样 http://goo.gl/Gg92JW
作者: kinght0250 (maomao)   2016-07-07 03:17:00
跟觉醒青年有什么屁关系?
作者: nick0506 (nick)   2016-07-07 06:38:00
台朔是台湾之耻
作者: cobrasgo (人鱼线变成鲔鱼线,超帅)   2016-07-07 08:19:00
2分钟就死?这可信度很低的报导
作者: rexn (中间)   2016-07-07 08:20:00
新闻制造业
作者: ginnyhuang (ginnyhuang)   2016-07-07 11:00:00
2分钟死亡...非常怀疑,那要量多到什么程度才能在大海的稀释下还有这么强的毒性?所以整个事件还在“疑似”、“怀疑”就判赔了?
作者: pilot1982 (173-72却觉得瘦好多)   2016-07-07 16:24:00
中国大陆的事情就没人信,越南政府就能信?都忘了它们也是独裁共产国家了?台塑有他的可恶之处,不代表他们有蠢到光明正大的干。日本人好歹也占5%,以为龟毛的日本人都不会参与?这件事本身就是个阴谋吧。
作者: LiLiLaLa7 (我爱马英九)   2016-07-08 00:32:00
可以改做生化武器,没点火可以毒200里太厉害了

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