Re: [ 闲聊雷] 蚁人与黄蜂女的科技美术设定

楼主: YumingHuang (痴肥绝对)   2018-07-10 15:39:42
讲到蚁人的科技设定,
我妹寄了一个有趣的文章给我。
https://nyti.ms/2u14NHs
The Science (and the Scientists) Behind ‘Ant-Man’
July 6, 2018
Several months before production began on the new sequel “Ant-Man and the
Wasp,” the director Peyton Reed and a room full of writers, artists and
producers assembled in the Marvel Studios offices in Burbank, Calif., to
listen to a quantum physicist explain the science of getting really, really
small.
Recalling the meeting recently, the quantum physicist, Spyridon Michalakis of
the Institute for Quantum Information and Matter at Caltech, said that he
described the subatomic realm as “a place of infinite possibility, an
alternative universe where the laws of physics and forces of nature as we
know them haven’t crystallized.” He had suggestions about how it might be
visualized on a movie screen: “beautiful colors changing constantly to
reflect transience.”
The movie’s producer, Stephen Broussard, said, “I’m not completely sure I
have my head around it yet, but it certainly sparked some interesting ideas
for what this place could be.”
In the first “Ant-Man” movie (2015), Scott Lang, the title character played
by Paul Rudd, wields the power to shrink to the size of a Tic Tac under the
tutelage of the scientist Hank Pym (Michael Douglas) and his daughter, Hope
van Dyne (Evangeline Lilley). “When you’re small, energy’s compressed,”
Hope tells Scott. “So, you have the force of a 200-pound man behind a fist
a hundredth of an inch wide. You’re like a bullet.”
If an explanation of molecular density seems like an odd fit for a training
montage in a superhero movie, it speaks to the way that science, including
the latest developments in quantum theory, informs and inspires the “Ant-Man
” series.
In “Ant-Man and the Wasp,” due Friday, July 6, with Hope taking on the
nimble wings and identity of the similarly minuscule Wasp, one character
suffers from a (fictional) condition referred to as “molecular
disequilibrium.” Two others fuse together across a great distance, much in
the way particles do in the actual phenomenon of quantum entanglement. There’
s talk of tardigrade fields and time vortexes, and Laurence Fishburne
delivers a technically sound lecture on something called quantum decoherence.
And yes, a character does shrink so small as to be plunged into the Quantum
Realm, named after and based on scientific reality, where the laws of
classical physics break down.
“Marvel really has gone out of their way to incorporate real, interesting
science,” Dr. Michalakis said. “I think they realize that so much real
science almost feels like science-fiction.” Along with the entomologist
Steven Kutcher, who suggested ways to film live ants, Dr. Michalakis worked
as a scientific consultant on the first “Ant-Man.” He was even more closely
involved in the sequel, collaborating with Erik Sommers and Chris McKenna,
two of the writers developing the script. He also consulted on “Spider-Man:
Homecoming” (2017) and “Captain Marvel,” due in 2019.
Persuasive science has played a major role at the movies this year. The
cosmologist Stephon Alexander consulted on the sci-fi fantasy “A Wrinkle in
Time,” the geneticist Adam Rutherford advised on the multifarious mutations
in the sci-fi-horror movie “Annihilation,” and the paleontologist Jack
Horner lent his expertise to “Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom.”
What’s perhaps surprising is that superhero movies, fueled as they are by
fantastic impossibilities, are increasingly incorporating scientific detail
and authenticity. Most recently, the astronomer-physicist Adam Frank advised
on wormholes and interstellar travel for “Thor: Ragnarok,” while the
anthropologist Jim Ferguson and the aerospace engineering expert Daniel
Bodony consulted on “Black Panther.” Since its start in 2008, the National
Academy of Sciences’ Science and Entertainment Exchange, which has provided
such experts for more than 2,300 television and movie projects, has played
scientific matchmaker for several Marvel movies and television series,
including “Agent Carter,” “Luke Cage” and “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.”
Historically, Marvel comics have tended to present at least the sheen of
science, with much of the superheroics tied to characters’ skills as
scientists, inventors and engineers: Tony Stark, a.k.a. Iron Man, is an
alumnus of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, while T’Challa (Black
Panther) has a Ph.D. in physics from Oxford University.
“I can’t speak to the accuracy of the comics,” Mr. Sommers, the writer,
said, “but there’s definitely a willingness, over the decades, to latch
onto new ideas and new theories. Ant-Man in particular involves a very
specific technology that shrinks you down to an atomic and subatomic level
so, now at least, making sure the science is as accurate as possible is
especially important.”
In fact, there’s a scientific logic to the design of the Ant-Man suit in the
movies that wasn’t in the original comics: The helmet is fully contained,
with a mouthpiece that presumably allows the shrunken protagonist to
metabolize regular-sized but relatively giant air molecules.
Not that the Ant-Man movies completely unpack the science. They go into
relatively little detail about the “organic atom reduction,” apparently
reducing the distance between atoms, that makes Ant-Man shrink, or what
happens to his mass when that takes place. “That’s the least credible part,
” Dr. Michalakis said. “How does a 160-pound man ride on ants, if he hasn’
t somehow converted his mass into something else? You cannot just convert it
into energy without containing it. Otherwise you have a nuclear bomb of
unprecedented destructive power.”
Mr. Broussard, the producer, acknowledged that “the movies have to work as
movies, so we take a lot of liberties.” He added, “We have the philosophy
that the most fun idea wins. And what’s great is that we’ll get in the room
with someone like Spiros, and we’ll pitch them an idea that has no basis in
science fact, and they’ll be the first to say, that’s cool, do that. Which
usually tells us we’re on the right track.”
It helps if the scientific consultant appreciates the needs of dramatic
storytelling. It was Dr. Michalakis who mentioned the microscopic creatures
known as tardigrades as something striking that one might encounter in the
movie’s Quantum Realm. “They remind me of the massive worms from ‘Dune,’”
he said. And he approves of the movie’s particular take on quantum
entanglement, which is a stretch scientifically but narratively satisfying. “
It’s actually a good example of how real science can move the story forward.

For the record, he does have a possible explanation for the science behind
Ant-Man’s organic atom reduction. (It involves replacing electrons with
their heavier cousins, muons, reducing each atom to two-hundredths of its
original size.) There will be plenty of time to delve deeper into the science
in future installments though. For now, he’s excited to see science play a
part in a summer popcorn movie, where it might ignite the imagination of
young audiences.
“When I think about science outreach, I can’t think of a more fun way to do
it than with superheroes.”
太长了懒得翻译 .. = v =
不过里面提到蚁人跟黄蜂女上映前,
漫威是有去找教授来跟编剧和导演解释,
在量子的世界里看起来 "可能" 会是什么样子。
里面也提到,漫威蛮多片都有跟相关的学者做讨论
﹝算是 "跨界合作" ?﹞
所以小朋友看漫威电影然后对相关科学发生兴趣,
也算一种科学推广吧 XD
※ 引述《gundriver (浅草一郎(假名))》之铭言:
: ※ 引述《glacierl (冰川)》之铭言:
: : 闲聊可能含雷,防一下。
: : 不知道大家有没有注意到,这次蚁人的电影美术设计,在科技仪器上跟其他系列作品有个
: : 很大的风格差异。
: : 因为前面看过黑豹跟复仇者,所以蚁人这次变得很显眼。
: : 相较于其他作品里,一路走来不断用一些很炫砲的表现方式,像是立体投影啊,触碰萤幕
: : 、电脑虚拟按键之类的。唯有这回皮姆博士所用的仪器却几乎都是实体按键或把手之类来
: : 表现。无论是实验室或是航天飞机,甚至连他们在定位量子领域时,头上那些面板也是以实
: : 体呈现。
: : 这不晓得只是特意要区隔作品风格?或是有什么伏笔?(因为这个差异其实大到好像在改
: : 整体设定一样。)
: 这就是我认为漫威设定世界有趣的地方,看看这10年来的电影,有用到立体投影科技的
: 大概有史特克相关科技、神盾局、瓦甘达、星际异攻队的各宇宙人,这些人不是超级有钱
: 人或是整个国家的最先进资原,就是远胜地球的技术力,很明显立体投影在地球上也算是
: 最先进的技术,一般人根本无法接触到..
: 虽说皮姆博士也是一个绝顶天才,单是他处于被通缉的情况下,各种资源管道是非常拮据
: 的,最新的蚁人与黄蜂女不就为了一个物件,而不得不找上科技黑市商人吗?
: 在这种情况下,明明可以用普通的萤幕显示的东西,哪有余力还使用立体投影。
: 另外像是彼得帕克在只有一个人的时候,所做出来的蜘蛛装非常阳春跟简陋,这才是一
: 般人的财力管道可以做成的成品吧。一直到东尼的帮助,他的蜘蛛装才算成形。
: 反观JL的闪电侠,同样也是个普通老百姓,但他做出来的闪电装根本精美到会怀疑这真的
: 不是特别找厂商订制的衣服吗?

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