[讨论]星际大战8 影评和影迷的分歧(雷)

楼主: bambooyu (塞鼻子)   2017-12-16 20:40:46
12/15在Den of geek的文章,作者David Crow
觉得这篇写的很好,正反意见都有说明。
原文较长,节录部分上来。
翻译有误欢迎指教,谢谢~
后半段是个人看法。
有雷
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/269725/star-wars-the-last-jedi-do
-critics-and-fans-want-different-things
缩网址:https://goo.gl/zcSbNg
The Last Jedi enjoys a 93 percent “Fresh” score on Rotten Tomatoes, and the
fan score is at a “Rotten” 58 percent. That number will inevitably change as
more people see the movie, but it will almost certainly remain drastically lo
wer than The Force Awakens and Rogue One’s respective 88 and 87 percent fan a
pproval numbers…
This is not to say that Rotten Tomatoes’ audience score is some great authori
ty on the perception of moviegoers. But at least judging by the mixed reaction
from the earliest and most eager of Star Wars fans, The Last Jedi did more fo
r critics than it did for fans. Why?
最后的绝地武士在烂番茄上得到了93%的"新鲜",而影迷评分是58%的"腐烂"。
这个数字在变动中,但几乎可以肯定会比原力觉醒的88%和侠盗一号的87%影迷评分低很多

烂番茄影迷评分并非决定性的指标,但至少从最早也期待最大的一批星战迷两极的反应来
说,最后的绝地武士赢得影评的心更甚影迷,为什么?
Likely the biggest reason critics were so enthused about The Last Jedi is the
exact same source of discord amongst the fans: it is not what we traditionally
want from a Star Wars movie.
While the general critical approach is to embrace something that can artfully
or even thrillingly subvert expectation, these are some of the exact elements
that fans are currently vocally despising on Twitter.
几乎可以说,影评最嘉许的理由,正是让影迷最分歧的原因:这和我们传统想看的星际大
战不一样。
当大部分评论者接受电影里艺术性的甚至惊人的手法,来扭转观众期待时,这些刚好是影
迷在twitter上最唾骂的特质。
Critics and cinephiles who view movies through a vast array of cinematic histo
ry tend to appreciate films, especially sequels, that can deepen, challenge, o
r completely reshape how we have previously viewed a genre or trope. This goes
double for a long-running franchise like Star Wars. But for fans, it’s the l
ong-running familiarity that is so exciting. You are going back to that world
with these characters. Again.
影评人通常从更广的角度来观赏电影,尤其对续集,他们想看到更深层,更多挑战,或彻
底摇撼旧有的框架。
这对星际大战这么长红的系列作来说是双面刃。对影迷来说,正是这份长久的熟悉感能激
励他们。你可以回到这个特别的世界,和这同一群人,再一次。
Seeing those characters deconstructed as thoroughly as Luke Skywalker means th
at even if he gets an epic and legendary sendoff wherein he really does stare
down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword, it doesn’t
mean that he hasn’t been depicted as broken or regretful. The antithesis of t
he Luke Skywalker in the much more fan service-inclined Expanded Universe wher
e Luke remained ever the irreplaceable hero. In The Last Jedi, he is literally
replaced.
看着路克天行者和其他角色被彻底解构,意味着即使他带着光剑(原文说laser sword)
睥睨第一军团,也不能改变他被描述的破碎又充满悔恨。这刚好是延伸宇宙(Expanded U
niverse)里粉丝喜爱特质的相反面。在那里他是个无人能取代的英雄。而在最后的绝地
武士,他名符其实的被取代了。
What critics look for—originality, differentiation, something new—might only
go so far with the most invested of fans. For some, the quality of the film b
ecomes a secondary concern after how characters are worlds and presented based
on preconceived notions from other media. And this is not exclusive to Star W
ars.
影评追求的,原创性,发展性,改变,或许正和某些最投入的影迷背道而驰。对有些人而
言,电影的品质是其次,次于最重要的角色,和角色所代表的意义。Star Wars也不例外

So too does The Last Jedi dare to blaspheme Luke Skywalker by making him a mer
e mortal. One who can lose faith or give in. So while he, and his film, can tr
anscend to a higher plain for critics who reward ambition, it might levitate j
ust out of bounds for those who care most.
同理可见于The Last Jedi,亵渎了路克天行者,把他变成一个普通人,一个会失去信念
和失败的人。就算路克和这部电影对欣赏新视野的影评来说是提升到更高层次,或许这做
法却失去了那些在乎最深的人。
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分隔线 以下个人想法
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原力觉醒预告反应合集
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjYjMxZJCg
黑武士侠盗一号预告反应合集
https://youtu.be/BYL97AF5Zus
六岁小男孩看路克在Ep6的反应
https://youtu.be/hdck1dC-mfY
喜欢老三部曲的不一定是当初在1977年看首映的人,其实有很多小孩也喜欢老三部曲。
黑武士预告那个影片5:55,爸爸和两个女儿看见黑武士都兴奋尖叫了。
https://i.imgur.com/H7eimIz.jpg
像这个喜欢路克天行者的小男孩。他看着路克被电的反应真的就像我看着第8集路克回归
原力的反应。扭曲的表情。
https://i.imgur.com/tr1aH0T.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5wMQhpK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Z7AFgz3.jpg
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before/after seeing The last Jedi
https://i.imgur.com/fMjrwi4.jpg
如果他们只是旧时代的产物,需要被淘汰的人,就不会一直吸引新的观众
作者: RachelMcAdam (瑞秋卖灯丝)   2017-12-16 20:50:00
一楼应该重看一次料理鼠王
作者: KingKingCold (お元気ですか?私元気です)   2017-12-16 21:05:00
说影评可笑 有没有去看RT一堆观众帐号只评过EP8的+1之前一堆电影包括EP7都没出现,EP8就第一次出现结果变成评了几百部片的影评没有参考价值,忽然冒出来评EP8的帐号忽然间就好有参考价值www
作者: lorinafamily (雨伞)   2017-12-16 21:43:00
推翻译 虽然我不认同作者的意见不是不能推路克下神坛 而是在已经有456的基础下你不能随便OOC 然后说这是大破大立啊

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