Re: [情报] Cruise L4自驾配备人类驾驶

楼主: chandler0227 (钱德勒)   2024-05-14 18:20:24
[自驾]
1. 两套以上独立的自驾系统(备援、冗余)
2. 承1,两套系统可以互相检视比对,一旦发生失效,系统会自行侦测到失效
3. 失效后在人不介入(接管)的条件下仍能保持安全
4. 重新恢复运作需要靠人接管
[辅助]
1. 系统单一
2. 当系统做了错误判断,没有另一套机制,所以系统压根不知道产生错误
3. 系统无法自行侦测失效
4. 全仰赖在驾驶座的驾驶人注意和随时接管
像Waymo这类自驾车
驾驶方式很笨拙,在限定区域的开放道路运行仍有一堆bug问题(卡住、逆向)
这些bug失效无法预期哪时出现,但发生当下系统
1. 能侦测到失效
2. 在人尚未接管下保持安全性
简单讲就是满足失效安全
直到人类接管并恢复运作
Criuse则是辗死前车撞飞的人,即便车能停下但无法确保安全性,被要求需要安全驾驶
FSD会在绝大多数(99.9%)的条件下驾驶方式更接近人类
但机器学习、AI不可能训练到完美(可能喂越多数据反而造成某些场景应对退步)
所以当今天遇到那极低的0.1%情况
系统出错但系统并不认为失效(也没法侦测到失效)
就得全靠驾驶人判断是否要立即介入接管
像是ISO 26262功能安全、ISO 21448预期功能安全(SOTIF)、FIT(Failures In Time)
这些都是政府核准自驾牌照的依据,之前也都提过了
※ 引述《LimYoHwan (gosu mage)》之铭言:
: https://tinyurl.com/bvkhn237
: 简易翻译:
: Cruise公司表示,他们将恢复采用有安全驾驶员监督的自动驾驶模式。这是因为他们去年
: 发生的一起无人驾驶事故后,暂时停止了无人驾驶服务,并进行了全面的安全评估。
: 经过评估后,Cruise决定先恢复自动驾驶,但仍然会有安全驾驶员在车内监督。这可以在提
: 供自动驾驶功能的同时保证乘客安全。
: https://i.imgur.com/WVhDrCF.jpeg
: Cruise表示,这种监督式自动驾驶模式只是过渡阶段,他们最终的目标仍然是实现完全无人
: 驾驶。此次事故显示,即使是先进的自动驾驶技术,在实际运营中仍需要更谨慎的安全措施
: 。
: 齁,cruise配备这么多感知设备,一堆光达,也有备援系统,且通过政府法规认证可以运
: 行无人出租车,啊 怎么车上又放人了,那我可以认为“人”才是备援吗?那些光达根本
: 没屁用…..
: 自驾的瓶颈是AI问题还是光达、硬件问题?
: 车版大师表示?
: Starting this week, Cruise AVs will begin supervised autonomous driving in Pho
: enix as Cruise takes further steps towards returning to its driverless mission
: .
: For the past several weeks Cruise has been mapping and collecting road informa
: tion in Phoenix. Now, we will validate our AV’s end-to-end behaviors against
: our rigorous safety and AV performance requirements. During this phase, the Cr
: uise vehicles will drive autonomously with a safety driver present behind the
: wheel to monitor and take over if needed.
: Supervised autonomous driving is a critical validation phase prior to driverle
: ss deployment and builds on our extensive work in simulation, closed-course dr
: iving and more than 5 million driverless miles previously driven by our fleet
: to ensure safe performance on real-world roads and driving scenarios. Safety d
: rivers play an important role in testing the AV’s performance and the continu
: ous improvement of our technology. We’ll begin supervised autonomous driving
: in the city of Phoenix and will gradually expand to Scottsdale, Paradise Valle
: y, Tempe, Mesa, Gilbert and Chandler measured against predetermined safety ben
: chmarks.
: Safety is the defining principle for everything we do and continues to guide o
: ur progress towards resuming driverless operations. From comprehensive vehicle
: management before our AVs depart the garage to continuous driver monitoring a
: nd roadworthiness of the vehicle, we deploy rigorous safety procedures, protoc
: ols and performance requirements to ensure supervised autonomous operations ar
: e safe for operation on public roads.
: Our safety measures and procedures are multifaceted and can be grouped into th
: ree pillars:
: Product Safety: Cruise AVs are fully-integrated autonomous vehicles derived fr
: om the Chevy Bolt EV platform, manufactured by General Motors, and tested to v
: alidate that the vehicles meet all motor vehicle safety requirements after th
: e addition and installation of Cruise AV hardware (sensors, etc.). We have pro
: cedures in place to ensure our AVs are appropriately maintained and that new s
: oftware is thoroughly tested and validated through a measured release process
: prior to deploying to the fleet.
: Operational Safety: We have documented procedures and protocols in place to en
: sure the safety of our fleet operations for those in our vehicles and those we
: share the road with, including driver training, ongoing performance managemen
: t processes, and responsible scaling of operations.
: Enterprise Safety: Safe operations start with a safety-focused culture, and ev
: ery worker at Cruise is empowered and responsible for the safety of our produ
: ct and operations. We enable safety culture through appropriate governance, po
: licies, reporting mechanisms, and regular safety training.
: We are committed to partnering with the communities we serve, so whether human
: -driven or autonomous, we encourage any community member to report driving con
: cerns to our Community Feedback portal. When a concern is submitted, we will i
: nvestigate the claim and, as needed, take appropriate action. Our feedback for
: m: getcruise.com/support-center
: As we continue through this journey, we look forward to working with local com
: munities to jointly achieve our shared mission of making transportation safer
: for all.
作者: pippen2002 ((EJ1547))   2024-05-14 18:23:00
结论: 不太好?
作者: XXXXBANG (XXXXBANG)   2024-05-14 18:27:00
FSD会越来越烂 其他厂牌的只会越来越进步
作者: alaokj (这么多自以为是的人)   2024-05-14 19:04:00
钱大文也是先推再看了啦~
作者: LimYoHwan (gosu mage)   2024-05-14 19:34:00
好像不是你说呢捏https://i.imgur.com/H4ChvKf.jpeg
作者: bmw530li ( )   2024-05-14 20:01:00
算法就算聪明,但Sensor只有一套时,误判就会车祸(算法完全信了),所以才一直要求要备援机制自我验证,而不是很相信自己的破摄影机就辗过去(躺着的货柜车表示:其他厂商自知还不成熟,所以没人敢明目张胆的大吹特吹更没人敢躲在Lv2放消费者去帮忙测试
作者: arabeske (arabeske)   2024-05-14 20:36:00
类神经网络到底从训练中学习得什么真的不好验证。AI算图1个frame 出错人眼没看到就算了,但自驾可会出人命
作者: LimYoHwan (gosu mage)   2024-05-14 20:36:00
撞货柜就是两套camera+radar 这特黑有够不专业的 而且多久以前 还是ap 不是fsd 笑死你那边还来得及all in nVDA算法要两套 你大脑是不是也要两个
作者: StarburyX   2024-05-14 20:57:00
其实无论你用哪种方案 都逃不了AI掌握算力 就掌握AI 就掌握自驾现在不走端到端AI 基本就是死路Waymo cruise都一摊死水Mobile eye 没声音 专注在卖车厂基本方案对岸华为 还有一战之力解决自驾 最重要的就是算力
作者: bmw530li ( )   2024-05-15 00:34:00
自己做不好就全世界都不准做好XDDD737MAX的case应该可以说明

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