[新闻]Tesla安全声明杠上NHTSA 两边都没错

楼主: hanchueh (RaidenHC)   2019-08-11 00:55:16
富比士文章指出为何特斯拉跟美国国家公路交通安全局的双方主张都没错
原文连结:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2019/08/08/tesla-and-nhtsa-spar-ove
r-tesla-safety-claims-theyre-both-right/#51b8b4110388
原文内容:
Last October, the NHTSA, the federal agency that (among other things) does saf
ety crash tests wrote a letter to Tesla, telling them not to say things like
“Model 3 achieves the lowest probability of injury of any vehicle ever tested
by NHTSA” and “But when a crash happens in real life, these test results sh
ow that if you are driving a Tesla, you have the best chance of avoiding serio
us injury.”? Car companies who do the tests have to follow regulations about
how they express the results, and NHTSA says Tesla’s marketing breaks those r
ules, and ordered them to stop. Tesla said they won’t stop — I’ll get into
why they would be this defiant below.
When NHTSA does a test, they slam a car into walls and barriers.? They calcula
te a score based on, among other things, how the crash test dummies come out o
f it. The Tesla Model 3 did indeed get the best score ever, and this is part o
f why I bought mine.
NHTSA doesn’t want Tesla saying those claims because it declares that the num
bers can’t be compared between cars that are very different in weight.? That
even if the test did indicate that you would do better in a Tesla Model 3 than
any other car hitting a wall, this might not be true if your Tesla crashes in
to a safely designed Hummer or even an unsafely designed transport truck.
In boxing, they sometimes try to judge boxers on what they call a “pound for
pound” comparison, trying to score them independently of their weight. Mostag
ree that Sugar Ray Robinson was, pound-for-pound, a much better boxer than Mik
e Tyson. But if you had to bet on one in a fight, you would probably bet on Ty
son.
Tesla notes that the Model 3 is heavy as cars go, and it is, because of its ba
ttery pack, but it’s still not a truck.
NHTSA is not saying the Tesla isn’t the safest car ever.? Rather, they are sa
ying, because their tests can’t be used to compare cars of very different wei
ght, they don’t have the answer to that question, and Tesla should not imply
they have said this. They’re right, and probably have the legal authority
to demand this. But Tesla’s score is very impressive, and very likely means t
hat “pound for pound” it is the safest car made so far, and the safest of an
y car, regardless of weight, in a crash against a stationary object. That’s s
omething to be proud of. And while NHTSA says their scores are not approved to
be compared between weight classes, that doesn’t mean that it might be possi
ble to do so.
So why would Tesla defy NHTSA on this, and not simply come up with more subtle
ways to say their message? I have a cynical suspicion that they don’t mind a
ll the press this battle has generated; you’re reading some of that press now
. It’s a nice thing to see tons of press about the very fine points of how yo
u define “safest car ever” and who can say what, because the main thingleft
in the mind of the public is a very positive message for Tesla.
重点翻译:
NHTSA 的撞击测试是用一面墙,然后根据撞击的结果来算出一个分数。Model 3 的确拿到
了有史以来的最高分,那为什么 NHTSA 不希望特斯拉主张 Model 3 是有史以来最安全的
车呢?因为实际车祸不会只是撞一面墙,有可能撞到一台安全性也高的悍马,或是一台根
本不符合安全规定的改装货车,这都有可能让 Model 3 撞击结果不符合测试结果。
用拳击来比喻的话,可能一个轻量级的选手拥有有史以来最好的数据,但对上一个数据稍
低的重量级选手,你可能还是想赌后者赢。
NHTSA 并没有直接否认“Model 3 是有史以来最安全的车”这句话,而是说他们的分数不
能拿来比较重量差很大的不同车款,所以他们不希望特斯拉这样比较。
但是特斯拉也没错,不管是跟同重量级的车比较,或是跟不同重量的车只比撞墙,Model
3 的确就是最安全的车。
作者另外还怀疑,特斯拉刻意继续这样比较的原因是这类的报导让 Model 3 跟“有史以
来最安全”这个关键字持续曝光,当作免费的正面宣传。
心得/说明:(30字以上)
所以说 Model 3 是有史以来最安全的车并没错
但是以 NHTSA 的立场 应该要加上两个条件
1. 只跟同重量级车比
2. 跟不同级车比 只比撞墙
Model 3 如果撞上火车 当然还是火车比较安全
但是跟同级车比它的确是有史以来最安全
*转录新闻/情报,必须附上原文及网址连结及心得或意见30字(不含标点符号)*
作者: ninjahatoru (orqution)   2019-08-11 00:58:00
Smart:
作者: spirit119 (精神分裂)   2019-08-11 00:58:00
车辆相撞时,车上的人没当场死亡或昏迷的话,会有一阵子处在有意识但身体完全没办法反应的状态(类似鬼压床)
作者: DANTEINFERNO (DANTE)   2019-08-11 00:59:00
所以 应该要买火车= =
作者: NKAC   2019-08-11 01:07:00
英文里面的乱码…好多
作者: madeinheaven   2019-08-11 01:33:00
好多乱码
作者: KotoriCute (Lovelive!)   2019-08-11 01:41:00
有什么市售车撞的火车?现在有什么市售车撞的赢火车?
作者: Chrkamp (脾气古怪无人疼爱)   2019-08-11 01:50:00
按照钢铁人的个性,大概下一秒会每台车买来对撞一次,看看是不是比较安全
楼主: hanchueh (RaidenHC)   2019-08-11 02:13:00
依他个性应该是说 因为重量考量 可能X还是更安全
作者: evermpeg2 (小E)   2019-08-11 02:18:00
这样讲的话NHTSA不是自打脸?都知道马路上千变万化了,用墙测试的意义在哪?
作者: cospergod (cospergod)   2019-08-11 02:19:00
这样比永远比不完阿
作者: ninjahatoru (orqution)   2019-08-11 02:20:00
用墙就是自己撞自己啊 但重的车在现实有优势
作者: Barolo (Barolo)   2019-08-11 02:51:00
说穿了就是用字遣词的问题 类似的案例就AutoPilot
作者: KengC (KengC)   2019-08-11 05:45:00
基本上就是特斯拉考了98分 然后 NHTSA 说九十分以上都是 A特斯拉不能说最高分只能说你拿到 A
作者: aal (生态小尖兵)   2019-08-11 06:16:00
这点一堆人都没注意到 以为小车高分会跟大车高分结果一样
作者: Stone5566 (石头56)   2019-08-11 08:10:00
NHTSA这样要求有点过份,实验室数据本来就是要量化,都跟撞墙比,合理,但要跟千万种现实状况比,怎么比,要大家开坦克吗?如果撞墙不够现实,那就改变实验条件,让实验更符合现实,而不是做了实验,又说不一定是这样。
作者: bluemkevin (WHO WHO)   2019-08-11 08:31:00
就是不能完全用测试模拟街道各种变化,NHTSA才不愿意Tesla就因此说他们是有史以来最安全
作者: polypress (polypress)   2019-08-11 08:35:00
火车那段在讲什么...逻辑要不要重修
作者: s87269x (面筋)   2019-08-11 08:47:00
你测出来的数据,给人家夸大的理由,啊现在又不说你不要这么自大,我数据归数据而已,真的话都给你说耶。
作者: iamspy (宁)   2019-08-11 08:57:00
本来就不能只看撞击成绩就下定论,但大家就是爱比分数啊
作者: appledick (Android粪)   2019-08-11 09:39:00
简单讲就是安全啦
作者: bluemkevin (WHO WHO)   2019-08-11 09:40:00
NHTSA没说撞墙成绩最高就是最安全的吧
作者: yytseng (yytseng)   2019-08-11 10:14:00
谁说小车不安全 https://youtu.be/lh1qqWoUDKo 25秒开始
作者: b92310051 (蛤利)   2019-08-11 12:19:00
eBay上卖的坦克车应该可以撞赢火车吧
作者: streit (浅紫彩云)   2019-08-11 13:29:00
不行。坦克的吨数还是差火车一大截。顶多坦克变形不严重,但乘员不保证生存。
作者: lfk (吼~~)   2019-08-11 15:02:00
就跟前几年特斯拉一直强调自动驾驶的情况一样啊
作者: INNBUG (最纯洁的杰)   2019-08-11 16:06:00
总统座车都换成tesla最安全

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