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标题: [问卦] reddit:同情台湾小孩，缺乏童年不像小孩（文长）
时间: Mon Apr 24 12:14:12 2023
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在reddit 台湾版看到
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Recently started teaching English to kill time. But damn I do feel sympathy
for Taiwanese kids.
最近开始教英文来打发时间，但该死的，我同情台湾的孩童
During a class activity, I asked them to write a dairy/journal.
They wrote things they dont believe in Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. They wrote
they prefer to play with their dog because parents dont care about them.
Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
things instead of expanding their imagination. After school they have to go
to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get a childhood?
I first started teaching cause I was bored, but now I find myself giving my
all to make it fun for them and giving chocolate for the ones who do well.
I wish Taiwanese culture could let children be children a bit more.
My opinion could be a come from a naive/arrogant view as I never lived a
harsh childhood like these kids.
Edit: I will clarify chocolate for those who do well, not as in academically
but as in a way for them to talk more instead. They get points for enjoyment
and make different takes on answers. Each participation gives a point, and
they get the candy over certain points, etc...
Edit 2: No, I am not from a family that believes in Christmas or Santa
clause. They were used as an example for kids not knowing good holidays.
Yeah, you guys and have lunar new year, but kids get loads of useless
homework over that time.
Edit 3: I know my naivete. I have a degree in aviation. I fly planes, not
here to teach. I originally came here for my gf, and yes. I am well aware I
came from a very blessed life compared to most. Thats why in my class, I try
not to discipline harshly but make them understand why they are wrong
instead. I was beaten a lot as a kid, and I would never want the same for
future children.
Edit 4: I am not oblivious that this only happens in Taiwan, but since atm my
experience is here hence the topic. it's generally linked to Asian cultures.
Edit 5: I am not white. I am of Asian descent. I understand my naivety, I am
just ranting. As in my childhood, even though moved overseas, I experienced
something similar to what many asian kids go through.
在课上，我让他们写日记
他们写下，不相信牙仙或是圣诞老人
（编辑2：我来自不相信圣诞老人的家庭，只是用这个当作例子，过年期间，孩童
有一堆作业）
他们宁可跟他们的狗玩，因为父母不在乎他们
再来是台湾的教育制度，与其让他们发挥想像力，他们得死记硬背
放学后，他们要去上补习班到9点
他们有过童年吗
我一开始开始教书，因为我很无聊，但我发现自己尽力地让孩童们觉得有趣
给表现好的人巧克力
（编辑1： 不是只给功课好的人，是希望他们多讲些话，课上参与可以得到分数）
我希望台湾的文化可以让孩童更像孩童一点
（编辑4：我知道这不只发生在台湾，但因为我现在在台湾，所以这个话题跟亚洲有关）
我的观点可能来来自一个傲慢/天真的人，因为我从来没有像那些孩童一样
经历严酷的童年
（编辑3：我知道我很天真，我有航空的学位，我开飞机，不是专职在教学
来是因为我女友的关系，我也知道跟其他人比，我来自一个比较美好的家庭
因为我以前也被打过，所以我尽量他们有爱的教育，希望不要再经历过类似的）
编辑5：我也不是白人，我有亚洲血统，我知道我的天真，我只是在抱怨
虽然我的童年在海外，却也跟亚洲孩童经历过的相似
网友回复，选4个最热门的
第1个留言
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I went through that childhood. I can understand my parents. They simply don’
t want me to be left behind. So they overcorrect, I started writing
characters in kindergarten and could read a lot of kid’s science
illustration books by then. I started learning English since 1st grade most
didn’t start until junior high or 4th grade. And they heard “everyone” was
learning piano so naturally they wanted me to take those lessons but
elementary me said firmly no (don’t know why).
I will not let my children go through that. But I also hear a lot of parents
had my sentiment but once their kids begin junior high, it becomes harder to
keep that sentiment.
I do believe though, what parents can do is not to stuff materials down kids
’ throat. I would strive to teach them good life habits that will not go out
of fashion, how to deal with emotions, how to listen and communicate, etc. I
hope I can impart enough of my experience so that they can deal with any
obstacle, have passion and enjoy life.
我经历过类似的童年，我可以理解我的父母，他们不希望我进度落后，所以会过度矫正
幼稚园时，我开始会写字，可以读很多科学绘本，到了一年级，我开始学英文，而多数人
是到国中或四年级才开始。当他们发现“大家”都在学钢琴是他们也希望我学，但不知
为何，才国小的我坚定地拒绝了
我不会让我的小孩经历我的童年，我听说很多父母跟我有相同的想法，但一旦小孩上了
国中，越来越难保有初衷
我仍然相信，父母能做的是不要强迫孩子接受东西，我会经历教导他们不会过时的
生活习惯，如何跟情绪相处，如何倾听和沟通，我希望可以传授足够的经验，应对各种
困难，并有热情地享受生活
第2个留言
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作者有回答的问题跳过
"Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
things instead of expanding their imagination."
台湾填鸭式的教育，无法发挥想像力
Because many teachers lack either the ability or willingness (or sometimes
both) to "expand their imagination." Trust me, many of them don't even teach
children how to memorize things effectively.
大部分的老师缺少能力或是懒得（有时候两者都有），“发挥他们的想像力”
相信我，很多时候他们甚至不知如何教孩童有效率地背东西
"After school they have to go to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get
a childhood?"
参加补习班到9点，缺少童年
That would be another problem.
Many parents have to work long hours and don't have much time to take care of
them. So they send their kids to cram schools so at least someone would keep
an eye on their children for them.
And some other parents are just obsessed with the idea of some sort of
"studying hard→getting into a good high school/college→getting a good job→
become rich→wonderful life" stuff. After all, that myth has been deeply
rooted in Chinese culture for over 1400 years.
这是另一个问题
多数父母工时长，没时间照顾小孩，所以只好送他们去补习班，至少有人可以照顾他们
而其他父母很在意“努力读书 → 申请到好的高中/大学 → 找到好工作 → 变有钱
→ 有美好的人生”
毕竟这个神话已在中国的文化深根蒂固了1400年
第3个留言
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My parents made great sacrifices so that I could be educated abroad, for the
various reasons that you’ve observed.
In the days of the Joint College Entrance Examinations, how you did in the
exams determined what school and course you went to (about a 22-26%
acceptance rate, apparently), and therefore what you can achieve in life. To
get into a good college, you must therefore go to a good high school that can
best prepare you for the exam, which means you must therefore go to a good
grade school, and so on. It was an arms race for the few good white collar
jobs available on the island.
Part of it was of course financial, but part of it was also a cultural
disdain for the “black hands” (乌手 in Taiwanese, as in black with grease)
jobs in factories and repair shops. Taiwanese parents broadly believed that
education was the way out of poverty.
My understanding is that things have improved a bit with reforms since my
time, but there are still plenty of vestiges left, and lots of childhoods
robbed. The relatively lower stress once you finally made it into college
resulted in the joking transliteration 由你玩四年 (fool around for four
years) of the English word “university.”
Thanks for caring about them.
就如你所观察到的，我的父母做了很大的牺牲让我可以出国读书
在大学联考的年代，考试的成绩决定你去哪间学校/科系（差不多22%–26%的录取率）
，也定了你在人生的成就
因此，为了能上好的大学，得要去好的高中帮你准备考试，这也代表你得上好的小学
这是一场军备竞赛，目的是进入岛上少数的白领职缺
其中一部分跟收入有关，但也有一部分跟对工厂和修理厂的文化歧视有关
（台湾人口中的“黑手”，油油黑黑的），大多数的父母觉得教育是脱离贫困的道路
我的理解是，随着改革，情况有所改善，但仍然有很多残留的，多数孩童的时光被剥夺了
一旦进入大学， 低压的环境导致学生用“由你玩四年”音译 英文的 "university"
感谢关心台湾的孩童
第4个留言
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Many people in this thread miss the point. Just ask the students what their
hobbies are. At best you get some sport or playing a certain instrument. Note
the singularity of the replies. They are so busy, they have no time to know
themselves, or what they might be interested in. Best example is learning
English. I've seen pages of English terms they have to memorize, even though
the majority of them will never use these words and neither do I. At the same
time most students can't hold a conversation past "Hi, what's your name,
where do you come from, how old are you". Less volume, more depth would help
a lot. More free time to learn social skills and develop a personality would
benefit those students more than an additional x-amount of home work hours.
很多人在这个讨论串都忽略这点，只要问学生们，他们的兴趣是什么，最多只会说某种
运动或是乐器，注意回答中特别的答案
学生们很忙，没时间认识自己，或是了解自己有兴趣的，最好例子是学英文的时候，
我看过他们要背的单字，很多他们根本用不到，连我也没在用
同时，他们的英文对话仅限于，“你好，你的名字是、你来自哪、你几岁了”
少一点单字，更深的内容会很大的帮助，更多空闲时间让孩子学习社交能力，培养个性
会比 x小时的功课更有益
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