Fw: [新闻] Gabe:所有人都会从与Epic的竞争中受益

楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-21 12:44:32
Gabe Newell says 'everybody benefits' from competition with Epic
https://tinyurl.com/vc2qb66
Conversations about the Epic Games Store often pivot on one central point of
contention: Is it fostering competition with Steam, or is its practice of
landing exclusive game releases "anti-consumer" because it keeps them from
being released on Steam, the platform of choice (or at least of habit) for
the majority of PC gamers? Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney believes it's the former
—and so does Valve boss Gabe Newell, it turns out.
In an interview with Edge Magazine (via GamesRadar), Newell said that
"everybody benefits" from the competition in the long run, although it can be
rough getting there.
"Competition in game stores is awesome for everybody. It keeps us honest, it
keeps everybody else honest," Newell said. "But it's ugly in the short term.
You're like, 'Argh, they're yelling, they're making us look bad.' But in the
long term, everybody benefits from the discipline and the thoughtfulness it
means you have to have about your business by having people come in and
challenge you."
Interestingly, Newell said that it's not competition that bothers Valve, but
attempts to stamp it out. Newell referenced the Apple store, but the comment
could also be seen as a quiet shot against Epic, which very carefully curates
what it allows on its store. Valve takes a completely opposite approach with
Steam, by allowing nearly unrestricted access to developers.
"We get a lot more freaked out not by competition, but by people trying to
preclude competition. If you ask us which is scarier, it's people falling in
love with Apple's model of controlling everything and having faceless
bureaucrats who get to keep your product from entering the market if they
don't want it to, or designing a store in a way that minimizes software's
value-add to experience and stuff like that."
While Newell didn't say that Epic directly spurred it to make Steam better,
2019 was a very active year for Valve. It launched the new Steam library
after years of work, Steam Remote Play and Remote Play Together, updated its
discovery tools and created Steam Labs to try out even more experimental
stuff, and did more behind-the-scenes for developers.
Competition notwithstanding, Steam continues to roll along as far and away
the big dog in the digital storefront pack: Earlier this week, with people
kept home by the Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak, it set a new record by
surpassing 20 million concurrent users, with 6.2 million of the in game.
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Steam的老板 Gabe Newell 在接受 Edge Magazine 的访谈时提到了他对Epic的看法,也
能看出他的理念。
我大概只译一下那几段,我英文不是很好,尽量......
In an interview with Edge Magazine (via GamesRadar), Newell said that
"everybody benefits" from the competition in the long run, although it can be
rough getting there.
在Edge Magazine的访谈中 (借由 GamesRadar),Newell 说长期来看在竞争之中“大家都
会受益”,尽管要达到这程度可能很艰难。
"Competition in game stores is awesome for everybody. It keeps us honest, it
keeps everybody else honest," Newell said. "But it's ugly in the short term.
You're like, 'Argh, they're yelling, they're making us look bad.' But in the
long term, everybody benefits from the discipline and the thoughtfulness it
means you have to have about your business by having people come in and
challenge you."
“游戏商店之间的竞争对每个人来说都很棒。这让我们保持诚实,也让每个人都保持诚实
。” Newell 这样说道。“但在短期来看这是丑陋的。你可能会这样看﹝阿,他们一直大
吼大叫,他们让我们看起来很坏。﹞但长期来看,每个人都将受益,从你必需让人们更加
了解和挑战你的业务时所带来的纪律和体贴中受益。”
Interestingly, Newell said that it's not competition that bothers Valve, but
attempts to stamp it out. Newell referenced the Apple store, but the comment
could also be seen as a quiet shot against Epic, which very carefully curates
what it allows on its store. Valve takes a completely opposite approach with
Steam, by allowing nearly unrestricted access to developers.
有趣的是,Newell认为对Vavle造成烦扰的不是竞争,而是试着灭绝它。Newell 提及了
苹果商店,但这些评论其实也意指了他对Epic不喜的部份。那就是钜细靡遗地整理了商
店中被允许的部份。而Valve在Steam上采取了完全相反的做法,那就是同意开发者们可
以几乎无限制的接驳。
"We get a lot more freaked out not by competition, but by people trying to
preclude competition. If you ask us which is scarier, it's people falling in
love with Apple's model of controlling everything and having faceless
bureaucrats who get to keep your product from entering the market if they
don't want it to, or designing a store in a way that minimizes software's
value-add to experience and stuff like that."
“我们感到惊讶的不是竞争本身,而是人们试着排除竞争。如果你问我们什么才是最可怕
的部份,那就是人们完全爱上了苹果的模式。即为完全控制一切,还有着不露面的官僚把
控着你的产品能不能进入巿场,又或著以最小化软件的增值部份的方式或经验上类似的东
西来设计商店。”
作者: sendicmimic (火腿哈密瓜)   2020-03-21 12:48:00
然后打死不做Half Life 3
作者: ssarc (ftb)   2020-03-21 12:51:00
人都是懒惰的点同意就可以搞定多开心
作者: kooyoo1144 (安安)   2020-03-21 13:11:00
中肯 玩家厂商都得利
作者: DendiQ (貔貅)   2020-03-21 13:47:00
epic 是不是偷塞 gabe 钱
作者: reallurker (一个好人)   2020-03-21 13:49:00
重点 G胖认为真正的敌手是App store会摧毁玩家的意识摧毁开放的产业
作者: andy0481 (想吃比叡的咖哩)   2020-03-21 13:52:00
他肯定的只有竞争的部分阿 但也反对"完全控制一切"玩法
作者: qwe78971 (小信)   2020-03-21 13:55:00
Epic 不愧被评价为2019年优秀公司之一
作者: s8573673 (Williambro)   2020-03-21 13:56:00
shut up and take my money HL3 please QQ
作者: mothertime (我超爱傅红雪这变态)   2020-03-21 14:04:00
开放式竞争跟完全控制本就互相背离
作者: sumarai (Pawn)   2020-03-21 14:11:00
开始抵制G胖,这人居然帮epic讲话
作者: zeroiori (无月散水)   2020-03-21 14:51:00
苹果的模式。即为完全控制一切,还有者不露面的官僚把控把控者你的产品能不能进入市场虽然我觉得苹果的使用者应该没有想过这些层面拉
作者: BlackCC (我是黑西西)   2020-03-21 15:25:00
G胖:我的平台用户多,爽抽几成就是几成
作者: r85270607 (DooMguy)   2020-03-21 15:25:00
这也能扯到egs加分 果然文盲是幸福的
作者: Gowther (高瑟)   2020-03-21 15:25:00
最神奇的是如果你在版上说跟G胖一样的话,你会被嘘。因为这些我就说过。啊本来就是事实。还有啊一个不用epic的人一直转epic的新闻,究竟是什么企图啊?
作者: r85270607 (DooMguy)   2020-03-21 15:29:00
疯法一直都这样好几年 你应该不只一次问过这个不过 这篇不是采访G胖吗 疯法会转很正常吧
作者: Porops (猪排)   2020-03-21 15:31:00
就算不用他的发展也会影响到整个游戏业界,关注很正常吧,还是有人觉得不碰他就都不会被影响了
作者: andy0481 (想吃比叡的咖哩)   2020-03-21 15:49:00
版上说竞争是好事 没问题啊 但是说epic是良好竞争或是说掌控厂商的商法才是棒棒之类的 被嘘不用意外好吗
作者: bbqomfg   2020-03-21 15:50:00
别跟PCGamer一样 没提到epic还一直把帽子扣上去作标题
作者: wenliao912 (Radec)   2020-03-21 16:11:00
这版就蒸粉版吼 被嘘有啥意外
作者: w3160828 (kk)   2020-03-21 16:17:00
蒸气粉结果狂酸G胖…
作者: tsairay (火の红宝石)   2020-03-21 16:31:00
g胖对于苹果还比较感冒,但对于epic的竞争没太大反感
作者: w3160828 (kk)   2020-03-21 16:40:00
竞争可以各凭本事阿,苹果就是上帝,要你死只能躺着等
作者: Korsechi (laus)   2020-03-21 16:45:00
不怕竞争 讨厌的是那些独占跟平台决定是否让你参与竞争
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-21 16:46:00
??? 我贴个Gabe访谈也不成?
作者: evolution862 (evolution862)   2020-03-21 17:02:00
会酸独占的脑子不知道在想什么世界各国不知道多少企业都是独占 不差Epic一家
作者: katana89 (月月火水木金金)   2020-03-21 17:04:00
大概就放马过来 恁爸等你!
作者: LordSo (Yesterday)   2020-03-21 17:07:00
我看不出贴这有啥问题就是了 不过这篇主体根本不是epic的新闻 我不太理解推文想表达啥
作者: andy0481 (想吃比叡的咖哩)   2020-03-21 17:08:00
又在一锅端了 早早投资独占没人嘴 嘴了也是被呛丢脸 明明骂的是上市前投钱逼站边跟小厂想上被逼独占才给上
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-21 17:10:00
有人独占 和 独占不好 是两回事吧!
作者: dkfs789 (我有妹妹)   2020-03-21 17:21:00
推EPIC
作者: j02850 (Blues)   2020-03-21 17:23:00
STEAM版是蒸粉版有什么问题吗? 不喜欢你去开epic个版啊
作者: abc55322 (笨鸟不唱歌)   2020-03-21 17:29:00
吼Gabe一杯嘎逼
作者: qq204 (好想放假...)   2020-03-21 17:43:00
epic一直出现在这边我还觉得碍眼 = =
作者: vandervaal (kensu)   2020-03-21 17:49:00
推G胖
作者: pekka (p.e.k.k.a)   2020-03-21 17:51:00
好像没把epic放在眼里
作者: massrelay (奇怪的大叔)   2020-03-21 19:26:00
价格可以自由让市场选择,但独占???
作者: rhox (天生反骨)   2020-03-21 19:42:00
别嘴了,好像Sony、MS、apple没有独占,双标仔
作者: aa1477888 (Mika)   2020-03-21 19:43:00
结论:G胖果黑
作者: rhox (天生反骨)   2020-03-21 19:45:00
抓到,G胖epic粉
作者: aa1477888 (Mika)   2020-03-21 19:47:00
Valve态度很清楚 竞争没问题 但市场要开放 举例来说苹果就是完全封闭的专制政府 什么能卖什么不能卖 苹果说了算 即便有规则还是会被因为一些大人的理由而下架 例如最近有个加密输入法就是这样
作者: wake01 (醒来)   2020-03-21 20:09:00
但是steam对色色游戏的标准...
作者: lpdpCossette (科赛特)   2020-03-21 20:16:00
但是除去专门代理商外, 西方公开商业游戏平台里steam已经是最多日本色色游戏的地方...
作者: mothertime (我超爱傅红雪这变态)   2020-03-21 20:32:00
最多的是日本平台吧喔没看到是说西方平台
作者: a23962787 (不擲骰子的貓)   2020-03-21 20:47:00
epic什么时候要创版啊,要竞争就不要整天蹭别人平台人气好不好
作者: articlebear (政治真的满狗屁的)   2020-03-21 22:23:00
大概EPIC版开了 里面除了限免以外也没有别的文章吧XD
作者: ZMTL (夜风/潇湘 VR板已经开板!)   2020-03-21 22:26:00
其实西方死标准就是碰到未成年(校园)的部分会有问题,这点Steam也不可能绕得过去的,但CM3D2、拿掉学园剧情的恋活、AI少女,其实要上也上了不少
作者: markhbad54 (BA)   2020-03-21 22:43:00
竞争当然是好的,但就怕竞争者是坏人
作者: playerlin (PlayerLin)   2020-03-21 22:50:00
拿Apple来讲其实也很正常啊...虽然黑化的厂商不只有apple而已...*摊手*
作者: ssarc (ftb)   2020-03-22 01:21:00
老实说,你steam审查下架一堆日本作品有啥资格好说嘴的
作者: APM99 (血统纯正台北人)   2020-03-22 02:31:00
还好是外国人谈苹果 不然被嘘爆
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 05:38:00
Steam己经是欧美平台中对色情最宽的了欧美那就对未成年很敏感 Steam可是天天被某些团体盯
作者: s8018572 (好想睡觉)   2020-03-22 06:05:00
qwe还在捧 zz独占不缺epic 但独占他妈是最恶的垄断看到那些独占平台 我都快吐了
作者: inyoureyes (inyourass)   2020-03-22 08:28:00
某q硬要捧到像反串也是很好笑
作者: nlriey (NN)   2020-03-22 10:09:00
跑到steam版说这里是蒸粉版,这是有什么问题吗...
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 10:36:00
这让我想到曾在政黑看到有人笔战到骂别人可以不要那么热衷政治吗?
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 10:37:00
使用者不尽然是粉啊...
作者: kaj1983   2020-03-22 10:38:00
反正你骂我我骂你,这在游戏版已经常态了
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 10:43:00
所以并没有"steam版本来就应该是蒸粉版"这种事
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:06:00
你这调点和偶像个人板的用户不一定都喜欢那偶像一样论点
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:13:00
拿偶像来比...到底是哪里搞错了...而且steam版也不是steam个人版,早就可以讨论各种商城了甚至还有曾经有人贴家机独占游戏的新闻咧XD
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:16:00
没搞错呀 搞错的是你 可以讨论别的东西和这本就是Steam专板是两回事好嘛人家的专板骂板上都是人家的粉丝? 不觉得很怪吗?
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:19:00
专版是以前的事吧,现在只是名字没改
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:20:00
以前的事? 你是不是没看过板规..去看第一条
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:20:00
什么商城都能讨论,实际上现在还是专版吗...
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:21:00
所以你有没有去看第一条写啥....
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:22:00
而且平台专版跟偶像个版到底有什么可以拉在一起比的...有几个偶像个版会写"基于(略)所以其他各种偶像也(略
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:23:00
那换个说法 你这和去政黑骂板友太热衷政治一样又或著说 去C洽骂大家都动漫迷一样
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:25:00
这样子比喻更...回到起点,使用者都会是粉吗?
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:26:00
举了三个例子你还不懂哦.....
作者: kaj1983   2020-03-22 11:28:00
他想说的是这里挂了steam招牌就别白目找steam的麻烦不管你是不是steam使用者还是粉,总之找steam麻烦就不对总之这里要讨论什么都可以,就是不能说steam坏话
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:34:00
也不到不能说坏话的程度 而是说一些纯挑衅的话
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:39:00
steam是一个商城平台,来到这个版讨论的人可以是只对某几个游戏有热爱而他是在steam上面买而已,他对steam本身没有感情,这样也要被列为蒸粉吗...
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:42:00
哈囉 不要陷入自己的妄想 你看看上面在说啥
作者: ksng1092 (ron)   2020-03-22 11:43:00
用了某个平台某家服务就是粉也太离谱了
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:43:00
上面说的是 跑来steam板骂别人都蒸粉是有啥毛病
楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2020-03-22 11:46:00
明明是在说 去人家专板骂板上都粉丝是有啥毛病你在那扯的确不是人人都粉丝??这还不够莫名其妙呀!
作者: colenken (呵呵)   2020-03-22 23:53:00
之前一堆蒸粉在那里辩epic对玩家没帮助 g胖打脸笑死
作者: vinc81 (纵欲)   2020-03-23 13:29:00
Epic和Steam的价格竞争对玩家有帮助,但是Epic平台除了卖游戏之外的增值服务目前都比不上Steam也是事实,像是收藏库分类、讨论区、工作坊、游戏评分等方面。
作者: Dante6 (Joker)   2020-03-24 10:38:00
epic仔又在气pupu了,怎么不快点再去连署epic版阿?这么不爽steam还来这

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