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I hadn’t originally planned to do any interviews at the SC2 Community
Summit. But after a dinner where Harstem responded to casual questions with
very insightful answers, I thought it would be great to share his thoughts
with the rest of the community. We met again the next day on the Blizzard
campus to talk about region locking, the best WCS system, and the dilemmas of
being a "foreigner" in professional StarCraft 2.
*Interview has been edited for clarity.
我一开始并没有计画要在SC2的社群高峰会上做任何采访，但在一次晚餐后，Harstem用
非常具有洞见的答案回答我的随性的问题，我认为把他的想法分享给社群里的其他人是
很棒的事。我跟Harstem隔天在Blizzard园区谈了有关锁区、最好的WCS系统，还有非韩
选手在职业化SC2的困境。
为了(让访谈)清楚起见，这个访谈有编辑过。
Waxangel: You recently won HomeStory Cup. How do you feel about that?
Waxangel:你刚获得宅男杯(HSC)冠军，感觉如何?
Harstem: Hmm, pretty good. I’ve never done well at a HomeStory Cup, so
winning it was a pretty big surprise for me—I didn’t expect it at all.
Normally I always go out in the first group stage, so I was pretty happy. I
think I beat some decent players, and I think my StarCraft there was pretty
high level. I think it was the best that I played this year so far.
Harstem:恩，非常好。我在HSC表现都不出色，所以这次夺冠对我来说是个很大的惊喜，
我根本没有期待过我会拿冠军。通常我在第一阶段的小组赛就会被淘汰，所以我真的很
开心。我想我打败了一些很厉害的选手，我在赛场上所表现的SC2水准相当高。我认为
这是我今年到目前为止打得最好的比赛。
You previously mentioned that you weren’t confident before the tournament
started.
W:你之前提到你在比赛开始前并没有自信。
(译注:原文用粗体/一般区分作者/Harstem，以下我用W代表作者，用H代表Harstem)
I think everytime that I do well at a tournament—I won twice now—both times
I felt pretty bad at the start, but only in one match-up. Like, for the GPL
that I won, my PvT was really, really bad—my worst match-up by far. And I
just didn’t hit any Terrans.
At HomeStory my PvP was really, really bad, and I should have lost on the
first day to GungFuBanda. But, once I got past him, I didn’t get any more
PvPs and I won. So I guess the secret to winning tournaments is just having
two good match-ups and praying that your bracket is lucky.
H:我赢过两次大赛，两次比赛我一开始都觉得很糟，但就是一场比赛，头过身就过，
以我夺冠的GPL来说，我的PvT非常非常不好，是我那时最糟的对抗。但我刚好没碰
到T。
(译注:GPL赛程:http://goo.gl/Iq6jZo Harstem只有在小组赛碰到中国T)
在HSC，我的PvP非常非常不好，我应该第一天就要输给GungFuBanda，但当我赢了他，我
就再也没有碰到P然后就夺冠了。所以我猜夺冠的秘密大概是就打个两场好比赛，祈祷你
有个好签运。
(译注:HSC赛程:http://goo.gl/iZiE1a)
Do you think you perform better because the pressure isn’t on you? Like,
when you think you’re good, you start feeling like “I gotta show this on
stage” and so forth.
W:你认为你表现得比较好是因为没有压力?就像当你觉得你很有实力，你会开始感觉"我
应该要把我的状态表现在舞台上"诸如此类的。
I feel like… ...If you win everything in practice, you feel really dumb for
even losing a game. Because you feel like you’re not playing well, and it’s
kind of like a circle that keeps going down. At the tournament you’re like “
Oh my god I’m getting worse,” and then it’s “why is my build not working
anymore.” It can really mess with you, at least it can with me. Maybe my
mindset isn’t the best, then. I feel like whenever there’s no real pressure
on me, whenever I don’t feel good, when I don’t feel that I really need to
perform, yeah—it kinda flows well.
H:我感觉...如果在练习时都赢，在比赛时输了会非常低落，因为你会觉得是你没有打好，
然后就会陷入一个向下沉沦的循环。在比赛中你会有"我的天 我越来越糟了"这样的想法
接下来会有"为什么我的建物都没在运作"的情形，这会让人感到很混乱，至少对我来说
是这样。也许我的心态不是最好的，我感觉每当我没有压力时，当我觉得不顺时，当我
不认为我一定要好好的表现时，反而会收到好的效果。
So, a big part of why you won—well I guess Koreans declined HSC—but a big
part of why foreigners like you are winning this year is because it’s the
first season of the region lock. How do you feel about it? It’s been
treating you well, right?
W:另外一个你在HSC夺冠的很重要的理由，我想是韩国选手没有来参加。第一次锁区是让
像你这样的非韩选手今年可以夺冠的很大的理由。对此你感觉如何?对你来说这样不错
吧?
(译注:其实去年就有锁区 但没有像今年这样 所有WCS积分的比赛都限制韩国选手 原则
不得参加)
I think… ...money wise, yes. Skill wise, I guess it’s very similar to 2015,
where we basically have the same players. The only difference is that I never
really get to test my skills against the top Koreans that play in Korea,
which is a bit frustrating sometimes.
H:我想...就金钱来说是的。就技术来说，我想这跟2015年很像，基本上选手名单都一
样。唯一的区别是，我没有机会跟在韩国比赛的一流韩国选手对抗来测试我的技术，
这让我有点失望。
You told me yesterday that you like the system from WCS 2014 the best, why’s
that?
W:你昨天告诉我说你最喜欢2014年的WCS系统，为什么?
I felt like we were actually improving when the players lived in Europe,
because of ladder and practice and even custom games. Like, throughout the
year they started playing more custom games with us. But even the ladder was
already a lot stronger when people like MMA, MC, HyuN, YoDa were playing...
H:我感觉当韩国选手住在欧洲时，我们确实有在进步，因为天梯、练习甚至是自订游
戏，整年下来，他们(韩国选手)会跟我们玩更多自订游戏。当时就算是天梯上也有
很多好手，像是MMA,MC,Hyun,YoDa等人。
You had an example yesterday, where MMA played you how many times?
W:你昨天有提到个例子，你跟MMA比了多少次?
I played him like 200, 300 times maybe? Like maybe more at times? YoDa I
played a LOT with, especially for the last season. I played with ForGG a lot
as well during 2014, but he already was here since before, so he doesn’t
count as a part of that particular system.
H:也许我跟他打了2、300次，也许更多，我跟YoDa也打了很多场，特别是最后一季时。
我跟ForGG在2014年也打了很多场，但他之前就已在欧洲了，所以他不算在内(来欧洲
住的韩国选手)。
I felt like the skill in Europe definitely increased. The problem was with
America, I felt. The Koreans could play from their initial Challenger match
from Korea because the ping wasn’t too bad, and the Americans weren’t
strong enough to beat them even with a little bit of ping advantage. So they
just basically… ...it felt like they were robbing the NA scene. So the
system wasn’t perfect for NA, but I think for EU, it was the best we’ve
ever been, skill wise.
我感觉欧洲SC2的技能确实有在进步，问题出在美洲。因为PING不会太高，韩国选手可
以在韩国比一开始的比赛，美洲区的选手不够强，就算有一点点PING值的优势，还是打
不过韩国人，所以他们可能觉得他们美洲区的场子被抢了。所以这个(WCS)系统可能对
美洲区并不好，但我觉得对欧洲区，就技术层面来说，是我们经历过最好的。
(译注1: 2014 WCS 各区会先进行Challenger League的比赛 胜者进Premier League 跟上
一季的种子进行分组赛 )
(译注2: 我特别查了一下 美洲区3季只有嘎姊跟HuK有进过8强各1次 欧洲区3季总共有7
人次进8强 两区每季四强都是韩国选手)
Money wise… ...I guess we weren’t making a lot of money, so I’m not sure
how good it would have been for the foreigner economy in a way. But if you
didn’t have new players coming in every year, I think that problem would
have gone away.
从钱的角度来说，我猜我们没办法赚很多钱，所以我不确定非韩选手在这样的情形下
经济上怎么过。但假如并不是每年都有新选手进入这一行，我想这个问题也会消失。
And what I mean with that is, MMA, HyuN, MC, First, YoDa, and like four more
were in Europe almost permanently, and only went back at the end of the year
to practice in Korea to up their skill level, and then brought it back to
Europe. I think, if this happened for like two, three years straight, we
would have been fine. But, if the first year it’s MC, HyuN, First, YoDa and
the boys, and the next year Zest and Maru come over, and then next year new
Koreans come over… ...I think it would have been very difficult. But if we
had the same players that only gain a lot of skill in Korea in the three
months during their holiday or whatever, I think it would have been the best
system for me.
我的意思是，MMA, HyuN, MC, First, YoDa，还有其他大概四个，这些几乎长期住在
欧洲，只有年底才回韩国练习的韩国人，他们会把他们提升的技术带回欧洲。我认为如
果这样持续两三年，我们会很棒。但如果第一年是MC, HyuN, First, YoDa，第二年换
成Zest跟Maru来，下一年又换其他的韩国选手来...我认为这会很难打。但是如果我们
面对的是同样的选手，他们只在韩国时的3个月休息时间获得很多技术，我认为这是对
我而言最棒的系统。
So personally, your peak as a player isn’t this year, even though you’re
winning tournaments.
W:所以就算你今年赢了不只一个冠军，但作为选手的高峰并不是今年。
2014, I think I was the best as a player. Even though my performance wasn’t
that good, I felt in practice—skill wise—I think I was the best I’ve ever
been back then.
H:我想我在2014年是作为选手最好的时期，虽然我的表现不是那么好，但在练习中，在
技术方面来说，我再也回不去了。
But you’re richer now.
W:但你现在有钱的多。
I am a lot richer now. A LOT.
H:我现在是有钱的多。多的勒。
I need to you to say that exact quote. What did you say yesterday?
W:我需要你再说一次你昨天说的精准一点的那句话。
“I make more money, but I’m worse.”
H:我赚了更多钱，但我(打得)更烂了。
(译注: Harstem近三年收入:10839镁、15337、30894)
That’s the dilemma, right?
W:这是个困境，对吧?
It is, it is. I also mentioned yesterday that right now, I don’t mind. I don
’t really care much what system they use. I think I would actually prefer
playing against Koreans, but I think in ten years I’ll be glad it was like
this. When I look at my bank account, maybe. StarCraft is quite a big
investment of time. Like I’m not studying right now, and if I don’t make
any money or don’t save any money, it won’t be a waste because it’s a lot
of life experience, but it didn’t really prepare me for the rest of my life
like money could.
H:的确是，的确是。我昨天也提到，现在我不是那么在乎他们的系统到底是怎样，我更希
望跟韩国人交手，但十年后也许当我看着我的银行户头时，我会很高兴是现在这样。SC2
在时间上是一个很大的投资，像我现在没在读书，假如我没在赚钱或没存钱，这也不能
算是损失，因为这就是个人生经历，但这个(SC2技能)不像钱一样，可以让我过下半辈
子。
(译注: Harstem1994年生)
Maybe it’s an age thing? Maybe when you’re younger you’re free to pursue
becoming good for it’s own sake, this ideal thing. But now, you’ve gotta
worry about money—you know it’s okay if you’re not being the best you can
be, that it’s okay to be kinda good and make money.
W:也许这跟年纪有关?当你还年轻的时候，你可以自由地去追求单纯就是变强这样的理
想，但现在你需要担心钱，你知道就算你做不到最好，这没有关系，因为你已经不错
了，而且赚到钱了。
Yeah, I think that’s a realization that’s come over me the past few years.
I think otherwise I would have… ...I was really debating going to Korea next
year. But it’s just such a big financial loss. The opportunity cost is
sooooo huge. It could be the difference of 30, 40k in a year, maybe even more
depending on how well you do. And in Korea, the only thing you really gain is
respect from fans, community, maybe from your fellow players.
H:是，我想这是我最近几年的体悟。我想否则我也许...我曾经认真思考明年要去韩国。
但这是一个财务上很大的损失。这个机会成本太太太太太高了。这可能是一年3，4万
镁甚至更多的差别，取决于你的成绩有多好。而且在韩国，你真正能获得的就只是粉
丝、社群、也许是同侪的尊重。
And skill.
W:还有技术。
You gain skill, but… ...it’s very difficult to justify it for yourself if
you’re not really making any money with it. And I think it’s difficult to
stay motivated, especially in an environment where there’s very little
English speaking, and you don’t have as many friends as I have at home. I
think it would be very, very tough on me,
H:你会获得技术，但...如果你无法靠这个赚到一毛钱的话，你很难说服自己。而且我想
会很难保持动力，特别是在一个很少人说英文的环境，你不会有像在家乡那样多的朋
友。我想对我而言，这会非常非常艰苦。
You could say that this current system, it’s not about making foreigners
better, it’s about keeping the foreigners alive.
W:你可以说现在这个系统不是让非韩选手更好，而是让他们生活的下去。
Hmmmm… Yeah? I think that’s fair. I’m not sure… Like I think the 2014
system would work for Europe, but it would never work for NA.
It’s very difficult for me to think about exactly what would be the best
system. I think a mistake that Blizzard has made over the years is that they’
ve been very inconsistent, they’ve changed like what, every year? And they
never really gave a system a chance. So 2017… Well I guess we can’t talk
about that yet.
H:是吧?我想那是公允的(说法)。我不确定...就像我认为2014年的WCS系统可以在欧洲运
作，但在美洲不行。
对我来说，很难分辨什么系统是最好的。我想暴雪这几年犯的一个错误是，他让WCS系
统非常的不稳定，他们似乎每年都在变?他们从不真的给系统一个机会，所以2017...
我猜我们还没办法讨论。
I think we do get a little better, but I think… ...that might just be LotV
though, where we closed the gap a little. But it’s so difficult to judge
where our skill is compared to Koreans because we haven’t played against
Koreans in 6 months. The only time we did was in China, and those were not
ideal conditions because two of our players got in through a Chinese fan
vote, both of whom were Chinese; we had Toodming and iasonu. I won the day
before, so I wasn’t in optimal shape—we had a little party the day before.
I probably should have taken it a bit more seriously, but how many times had
I won before?
我想我们是有在进步，但我认为...我们缩短了一点鸿沟，这可能是换成虚空之遗版本的
关系，但因为我们跟韩国选手有6个月没有对战了，很难判断我们的技术跟他们的，到底
差距到什么程度。惟一的一次是在中国，但那不是个理想的情况，因为有两个参赛的中
国选手-Toodming跟iasonu-是由中国的观众票选的。我在前一天夺冠了，我们昨天有个
小趴踢，所以我不在最佳状态。也许我该以更认真的态度来面对，但我之前根本没拿几
次冠军?
(译注: GPL的邀请赛 http://goo.gl/kElojG)
So it’s very difficult behind those games, we weren't like the best lineup.
And everything else has been online, so there’s a ping advantage for any
player, so it’s difficult for me to say. So 2014 would have been the best
for skill.
我们的阵容并不是最好的，所以很难说那些比赛代表什么。其他的比赛都是线上赛，
所以有些选手会有PING值的优势，因此对我而言这也很难说。就技术而言，2014年应
该是最好的一年。
We can’t talk about the summit in detail, but what are your general
feelings? Positive? Negative?
W:我们没办法在峰会上讨论太细节的东西，总体而言你的感觉是正面的还是负面的?
I think I’m positive. The thing that probably shouldn’t have surprised me,
but that surprised me anyway, was with how in touch Blizzard is with concerns
that are in the community on certain topics.
H:我想我还是正面(看待)的。或许那不该让我感到惊讶，但无论如何，让我最惊讶的
事，是暴雪对社群里的特定议题还是很关心的。
Yeah, the issue isn’t that they don’t know what the problems are, it’s
more about “will they have the manpower and money to solve them?”
W:是的，我想问题不是他们不知道难题有哪些，而是"他们有人力跟金钱来解决"吗?
Okay, do you want to wrap up with a good, Korean-style outro?
W:好的，你想要用韩国式的结尾来作总结吗?
Thank you to the fans, please cheer for me. I appreciate your support. Follow
me on Twitter (@InvasionHarstem). Shoutout to the ROOT house! And thanks to
Waxangel.
H:粉丝们，谢谢你，请为我加油，我会很感激你们的支持。请跟随我的Twitter帐号，
嗨翻ROOT的房子吧。谢谢Waxangel。
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这是我第一次在板上翻译这么长的文章，但我当初看得时候，就想把Harstem有意思的，
也许有矛盾不成熟的，但是敞开内心的想法分享给大家，特别是板上比较少关心欧美，
总是战哪族IMBA。可以的话，希望下次有机会再分享TL上的文章在板上。如果这篇有哪
里翻的不好的，还请多多包涵，并请告诉我让我有修改的机会，谢谢。