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由乡民代表August7747 对战 海盗PSU总监jonnyGURU
原留言PO August7747
I am sorry that I wrote some incorrect massage. I should say Taiwanese brand
, not factory.
But when you say Great Wall is a tier one. Please, do not let Chinese PC DIY
player know that... they will laugh on this. I am talking about quality, not
the factory scale.
Especially Corsair ax series PSU still made by Seasonic, the company which
you said not Tier 1.
And you should watch more PSU test video on youtube and bilibili. Talk with
some PC DIY player. To know why they don't like Great wall products.
And if like what you said, Long wall is a Tier 1 company . How about this,
let the Corsair ax series PSU made by Long wall in the future. To see how the
market response .
抱歉我有些讯息传达错误。我应该说台湾品牌而非台湾工厂。
但你说长城是T1。请不要让中国PC DIY玩家知道，他们会笑你。我是讲品质而不是工厂
规模。
尤其是海盗AX系列还是海韵代工，那家妳说不是T1的海韵
你应该要在youtube和bilibili看多一点PSU测试影片。和PC DIY玩家聊聊。就会知道为什
么他们不喜欢长城产品。而且如果如你所说，长城是T1公司。那不如这样吧，让AX系列
给长城代工。看市场会如何评价。
回应
Well, as you may or may not know, I've been reviewing power supplies since
before reviewing power supplies was a thing (people were afraid to open them
up and didn't have the equipment to test them properly). I've also been to
the Great Wall factory many times and have seen much of what they do build.
Do they build cheap stuff? Yes. Do they build top of the line water cooled
Titanium server PSUs? Yes.
I HAVE seen the cheaper Great Wall stuff. I have one of their cheapest PSUs
sitting on my desk. It came out of one of those I-cafe PCs. But you know why
they made it? Because that's what the customer wanted.
All of the bigger tier one factories do the full gamut of products. Including
Delta, Chicony, etc. They have many factory lines that they have to keep
moving or they lose money. Smaller OEMs actually don't have this problem
because they're almost always building at capacity, but they can never grow
to even 1/10th the revenue of the larger companies.
Great Wall is definitely capable of building an AX product. Heck.. they could
do an AXi product. But it's not always about who CAN build what. It's about
supply chain, maintaining relationships... so much more.
And then there is the "fan boy effect". AX has always been Seasonic. Even
though HXi and AXi are better, there are people that will buy AX just because
it's made by Seasonic and has the Corsair branding. Very sad. But perception
is reality when people don't know "how the sausage is made".
ㄜ，你可能知道也可能不知道，我从PSU评测还是个东西以前就开始做PSU评测了 (当时大
家普遍不敢打开PSU，而且也没有适当的仪器) 而且我也去过长城工厂很多次，也看过很
多他们的产品。
他们有没有制造便宜货呢? 当然。他们有没有制造顶尖水冷钛金服务器PSU呢? 也有
我确实看过长城便宜货。在我的桌上有一个他们最便宜的PSU之一，那是来自网咖的一个
PSU。但你知道为什么他们要做吗?因为那是客人要的
所有大型T1工厂都提供各种等级的产品。包括台达、群光等。他们有很多必须要随时保持
运转的生产线不然的话他们就会赔钱。小型OEM普遍没有这个问题，因为他们几乎永远在
满载情况下作业，但他们的收益也永远不可能达到大型厂商的1/10。
长城绝对有能力制作AX系列的PSU。甚至AXi系列都没有问题。但并不是永远只在乎谁可以
制造。而是和供应链、保持良好关系甚至更多因素都有关
再来就是“粉丝效应”，AX一直是海运代工。即使AXi和HXi比较好，但有些购买AX的人只
是因为他是海韵代工而且有海盗船品牌就购买。很遗憾。但如果人们不知道“香肠是如何
制作”的话，那也只能靠感觉了。
乡民二号 ragnarokboy
interesting. what about considering AX series be manufactured by Great Wall,
the "Tier 1" company, instead of by Seasonic. ;)
有趣，那要不要考虑让所谓T1的长城做AX，而不是靠海韵
回应
Because AX is traditionally Seasonic. Has been since day one. But the HXi is
by far the better PSU aside from overall efficiency.
When Corsair decided to re-vamp the AX, it was based on Seasonic telling us
that they got funding from the Taiwan government to build a factory in Taiwan
to build PSUs. We got a tour of the building, the factory floor, etc. We went
a whole year designing the new AX, while the factory in Taiwan was working
out higher volume parts like the TFX PSU and some of their OEM products. By
the time we were ready to go, Seasonic decided it could not be profitable to
build in Taiwan. Corsair was already knee deep in the new AX project with
manpower, tooling costs, NRE... so they agreed to just let them build it in
China instead so we could move forward.
因为AX一直以来都是海韵代工。从第一天开始就是。但HXi除了整体效率以外都是一颗好
很多的PSU
当年海盗船打算重制AX时，是因为海韵告诉我们他们打算在台湾建PSU厂而且还得到一些台
湾政府的补助。我们到那栋建筑物参观过，厂房各楼层等...我们花了一整年的时间设计新
的AX，而那时台湾厂负责生产有更大量需求的零件像是TFX PSU还其他OEM的产品。当我们
完成AX设计的时候，海韵却说在台湾厂房生产无法赚钱。但海盗船已经在新AX上面投资太
多人力、工具花费、一次性工程费用。所以只能同意让AX在中国制造才能继续向前进
三号乡民 asdkj1740 (这看起来比较像外国人) 回应总监说台湾没工厂的事情
it is said that evga now goes for fsp instead of superflower for its
supernova series because of the trade tariff. i thought fsp had some factory
in taiwan. thanks for the info!
有人说evga Supernova 系列从全汉改成振华代工是因为关税问题。我以为全汉在台湾
有一些工厂。感谢资讯
回复
It's possible that they're assembling SKD (semi-knock-down) kits made in
China in a facility in Taiwan so they can put "made in Taiwan" on the label
to avoid tariffs. But they severed the Superflower relationship well before
tariffs came into play.
很可能是他们在台湾厂组装半散料装的东西以在最后产品贴上Made in Taiwan的标签来
躲避关税。但他们和振华的关系原在关税问题前就达成共识了
搬运工注:
乡民一号呛PSU评测这件事 战力有点薄弱 XD
后面海韵有挂有挂 我喜欢