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Chris Broussard, Danny Parkins& Kevin Wildes谈湖人 (赢尼克 但尚未赢灰狼前录的)
Kevin ： Are they better without LeBron? 没了 LeBron，湖人真的变强了吗？
Chris: They're not worse. No, look, I still feel like, and we know when the
three of them were playing together early in the season, it's a small sample
size period, early in the season they were bad, lately they had been playing
better together but it's still small sample size. I do feel like in a playoff
series they'd have a better chance with LeBron, you know, than without him
because of his experience and all of that stuff. But the numbers clearly say
they're much better without him. Here's what is going on though, because with
or without him I don't think they can make noise in the west. So I think it's
a moot point to some degree.
他们没有变差。我依然觉得，虽然我们知道季初他们三人合体时打得很糟，那是样本很小
的时期；最近合体打得好一点，但样本还是很小。我还是觉得在季后赛中，有LBJ的经验
在，胜算会比没他更高。但数据清楚显示，没他时球队打得好得多不过事实是，不管有没
有他，我都不觉得他们能在西区闹出什么名堂，所以某种程度上这是个假议题。
But what's going on is that the Lakers need LeBron to be Chris Bosh or Kevin
Love. That's what they need. And when you have a ball dominant,
over-dribbling superstar who's also your best scorer, all right, you can only
have one other big scorer. So like when LeBron was that type of player he had
D Wade who was another big scorer. Chris Bosh had to become a role player.
When he had Kyrie in Cleveland, in LeBron and Kyrie can score, Kevin Love has
to become a role player. And with the Lakers it was never an issue because
they only had Anthony Davis as kind of another scorer. Dwight Howard, Rajon
Rondo at that point were different players but they were role players.
但现在的情况是，湖人需要 LeBron 变成 Chris Bosh 或 Kevin Love。 这就是他们需要
的。当你拥有一名极度黏球、爱运球又是头号得分手的超级巨星时，你身边只能有“另外
一个”顶尖得分手。就像 LeBron 当年还是那种打法时，他身边有Wade另一个主要得分手
，所以 Bosh 必须变成绿叶。当他在骑士有 Kyrie 时，他们两人都能得分，所以 Love必
须变成绿叶。但在(以前的)湖人这从不是问题，因为他们当时只有 Anthony Davis 一
个得分手。那时的 Dwight Howard、Rajon Rondo 是完全不同类型的球员，他们就是绿叶
All right, and so now look at Luka, same type of player, you know,
over-dribbling ball dominant, but big scorer, all that. When he had just
Kyrie as his second scorer and then everybody else was a bunch of role
players, they went to the finals. All right, and now when it's just Austin
Reeves and they and no LeBron, everybody else knows their role, they can have
success. LeBron comes in and he just can't be a role player. Now he's smart
enough to know what I could do, you know, for this team, but 22 years as a
superstar, you can't be a role player. Michael Jordan could not have been a
role player, I don't believe, like once he became after a superstar. Allen
Iverson clearly could not just be a role player.
现在看看 Luka，他是同一类型的球员：爱运球、大核心、顶尖得分手。当他身边只有
Kyrie 1个得分手，其他人全是绿叶时，他们打进了总决赛。而现在，当场上只有Reaves
和 Luka、没有 LeBron 时，其他人更清楚自己的角色，他们就能成功。LeBron 进来后，
他就是没办法当绿叶。 他够聪明，知道“我可以为这支球队做什么”，但当了 22年超级
巨星，你当不了绿叶。我不相信乔丹或艾佛森在成为超星后，还能转型当绿叶。
It's hard to do not only because of your, whether it's ego or just you've
been a superstar for so long you can't adjust, but also your stature in the
league and in the history of basketball. The other Lakers outside of Luka,
because Luka is not LeBron, but you know, he's on that superstar level
all-time great himself. Everybody else is deferring to LeBron, even if it's
not physically or consciously, even if LeBron's telling you, do you man, do
your thing, they are looking for cues from him even subconsciously and
looking to see what's he doing and you know, getting permissions, you know,
with your eyes or what, like his presence on the court because of his
greatness and is what he means to basketball. Those other roles, they just
defer naturally.
这很难做到，不仅是因为自尊心，或是因为你当太久巨星而无法调整，还因为你在联盟和
篮球史上的地位。除了 Luka 以外的其他湖人球员（因为 Luka 虽然不是 LeBron，但他
也是史诗级巨星），其他人会自然而然地向 LeBron 退让。即使不是生理或意识上的，就
算 LeBron 亲口对你说“兄弟，做你自己、打你的球”，他们潜意识里还是在观察他的眼
色、寻求他的许可，因为他的存在感和历史意义太强大了。其他人会自然地退缩。
Austin Reeves defers naturally to LeBron James, even if you say, oh Austin's
shooting, he's dribbling without LeBron. No, he's still looking to LeBron for
cues and stuff. And so when LeBron's not there, you saw yesterday, like
everybody kind of fits into a role when LeBron's not there and they're
playing freer and stuff. So that's really to me what's going on in LA. Yeah.
Austin Reaves 看到 LeBron 就会自然地退让。即使你说“喔，Austin 在 LeBron 不在
时会投篮、会运球”，但他其实还是在找 LeBron 的讯号。所以当 LeBron 不在场时，就
像你们昨天看到的，每个人都各司其职，打得更自由、更奔放。对我来说，这就是洛杉矶
现在的情况。
Danny: And there's no way that even if he wanted to, that at this stage of
his career with his skillset that he could like play like Chris Bosh. I love
LeBron. Yeah.
而且即便老詹想这样做，在他职业生涯的这个阶段、以他的球技，他也没办法打得像
Chris Bosh。我爱 LeBron，但是...
Chris: And I don't so much mean Chris playing style, but I know the role
play. Yeah. But he could, he could, he could say, I'm, I will post
up. I will, I can set the screen for Luka and roll to the basket or pop.
Like he could go into that role, but I just don't think
我指的不是 Bosh 的打法，而是“角色”。他其实做得到，他可以说“我会去低位、我会
帮 Luka 挡拆后下滑或拉开空间”，他技术上做得到，但我就是不认为他会想这么做。
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Kevin: he just has so much gravity on the court 他在场上的牵制力实在太强了
Danny: Listen, I'm not, if the Lakers are better without LeBron, to me, that
is an indictment on the Lakers. Like it's an indictment on how they've put
the team together because you knew what you had coming into the year. You
knew it was year 23 from LeBron. You knew Luka's defensive limitations. You
knew Austin Reeves is defensive limitations. And you're right. I dug into it,
like just to take a look. And the sample size is really not overwhelming.
Cause 9 of the 11 games that they missed were in back in October and November
when they were trying to figure it out. But this is the Lakers this season
with Reeves and Luka and no LeBron. Yes, they're nine and two, but are they
actually good or are they just beating the bad teams? Like have the win just
beat a good team. And the, but the Knicks shot 24% from three. They normally
are 37, 38% three. They had an awful day shooting. Their wins are against the
Wolves, Grizzlies, Heat, Hornets, Pelicans, Bucks, Pelicans, Pacers, and then
the Knicks just yesterday. Because if you just look at, take, take Reeves and
Luka out of it, this is LeBron. Yes, LeBron. No. The numbers are pretty
similar. Like I'm just, I'm just not convinced that because they're nine and
two without LeBron, it means LeBron is the problem. It could just be that of
course those three guys don't fit together. So any combination of the two
with more role players, more defensive guys.
听着，如果湖人真的在没有 LeBron 的情况下比较好，那在我看来，这其实是在打脸湖人
自己。 这是在说他们的阵容配置本来就有问题。 因为你开季前就知道你手上有什么牌。
你知道这是 LeBron 第 23 年了。你知道 Luka 的防守限制。你也知道Austin的防守限制
。 而且你说得对，我也有特地去看了一下数据，这个样本其实没有那么有说服力。因为
他们缺阵的 11 场里，有 9 场是发生在 10 月跟 11 月，那时候球队本来就在磨合。
这是本季湖人在 Reaves 跟 Luka 上场、LeBron 不打 的情况下的表现。
对，他们是 9 胜 2 败，但他们真的有那么强吗？还是只是刚好都在打烂队？
他们有真的赢过几支强队吗？而且那场打尼克，尼克三分球命中率只有 24%，但他们平常
可是有 37%、38% 的水准，那天根本就是外线大当机。
他们赢的对手有灰狼、灰熊、热火、黄蜂、鹈鹕、公鹿、鹈鹕、溜马，然后就是昨天的尼
克。如果你把 Reaves 跟 Luka 先拿掉，单看 LeBron 在／不在 的数据，其实差不多。
所以我真的不相信，因为他们 9 胜 2 败没有 LeBron，就代表 LeBron 是问题。
更有可能只是这三个人本来就不适合一起搭。所以任何“两人组合 + 更多角色球员 +
更多防守型球员”的配置，都可能打得更顺
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Kevin: Where's the, I mean, I think to Bruce's point, I know you were joking
around like they're not worse. Is that a fair takeaway from this graphic?
针对 Chris 说的“他们没有变差”，看这张数据图表，这个结论是合理的吗？
Danny: Yeah, I think, I think that's fine. But would they be, would
they be worse without Austin Reeves without like
对，我觉得结论没错。但如果没了 Austin Reaves，他们会变差吗？
Chris: well, I mean, the numbers show that Luka and LeBron are having been as
successful as Luka and Reeves.
嗯... 数据显示 Luka 和 LeBron 的搭档表现，确实不如 Luka 和 Reaves。
Danny: And I think at this stage of his career with where he is with him
being a clear number two with how similar Luka and LeBron's games are, I
think that that makes total sense. But LeBron's averaging what 21 points, six
rebounds, seven assists on decent efficiency. Now his shooting is a little
bit lower the three ball than he would like. Like LeBron is still a good
player. Of course he should. It's all about fit. That's what I'm saying. So
the roster construction with any of the, any machination of these puzzle
pieces that JJ Reddick can put together, you're not going to get a great team.
我觉得在老詹职涯的这个阶段、且身为明确的二号位，加上他和 Luka 打法如此相似，这
完全合理。但老詹现在场均还是 21 分、6 篮板、7 助攻，效率也不错（虽然三分球比他
预想的低一点）。LeBron 依旧是个好球员，这完全是适配性的问题。
无论 JJ Redick 怎么排列组合这些拼图，这套阵容都不可能成为一支伟大的球队。
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