[外絮] B/R 最过誉球员TOP5

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Ranking the Most Overrated NBA Players
NBA最过誉球员排行榜
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JULY 27, 2023
5. DeMar DeRozan, Chicago Bulls
There aren't many players you'd trust more than DeMar DeRozan to create a good s
coring chance from a one-on-one standstill matchup. His bag is deep, his footwor
k in the mid-post impeccable and his foul-drawing craft second to none.
当你需要有人进行单打时,很少球员能得到比DDR更多的信任。他的技巧优秀、中距离的脚
步精确,吸引犯规的能力更是无与伦比。
That's why DeRozan has ranked in the 88th percentile or better in isolation scor
ing efficiency across each of the last four seasons. A six-time All-Star, he own
s a career average of 21.0 points per game.
这就是为什么DDR能在过去四个赛季里都拥有超过联盟88%或更高的单打得分效率的原因。他
是6次全明星而且生涯场均21分。
And yet, he was an easy inclusion on our list because DeRozan's individual bucke
t-getting prowess has led to precious little team success and comes with a level
of defensive ineptitude that basically cancels out (at best) the value he provi
des as a scorer. Throw in a career-long reluctance to work off the ball or shoot
threes, and DeRozan has essentially pigeonholed himself as a high-usage weapon
who limits his team's offensive ceiling and can't scale down into a supporting r
ole because he doesn't contribute enough in other areas.
但是他之所以轻松的进入这份名单是因为DDR的个人得分能力为团队成功的贡献微乎其微,
而且他糟糕的防守基本上抵销了他作为得分手提供的价值。再加上他职业生涯一直不愿意去
改善他的无球跟三分球,这限制他自己只能作为高使用率的得分手而且无法转变成辅助型角
色,因为他在其他方面的贡献不足。
In 11 of his first 12 seasons, DeRozan's teams had higher net ratings with him o
ff the floor than on. Though his Chicago Bulls have played better with him in th
e game than out over the last two years, the defensive issues have persisted, an
d the friction between him and Zach LaVine is a direct result of DeRozan's inabi
lity to help when he's not operating as a first option.
在他生涯的前12个赛季中,DDR的球队有11赛季在他没上场时有着更高的净效率值。尽管他
在公牛的过去两年间,他在场时比他离场时表现更好,但他防守的问题仍然存在,而他和La
Vine间的矛盾在于,DDR若非作为球队的头号进攻选择他就很难帮助球队
Limited in key ways and tricky to integrate into a team concept, DeRozan is an e
lite individual scorer who has yet to prove he can do enough in other areas to d
rive success.
受限于此,DDR很难融入球队的战术,他是一名优秀的个人得分手,但他尚未证明自己在其
他方面能够做出足够的贡献来推动球队取得成功。
4. Kawhi Leonard, LA Clippers
Hypothetically, if you were drafting individual players as the first pieces of a
title-chasing roster *and were guaranteed full health*, Kawhi Leonard would pro
bably come off the board somewhere in the top 10. Maybe even the top five.
假设你正在为一支追求总冠军的球队挑选球员,并且能保证他身体状况完好,可爱可能会在
名单中排名前十,甚至前五。
Unfortunately, that asterisked caveat about health doesn't exist in the real wor
ld, and we can't ignore it in evaluating Leonard.
None of this is his fault, but the two-time champ, two-time Defensive Player of
the Year and two-time Finals MVP simply cannot summon his best self over a full
season anymore. He's played 60 games or fewer every year since 2016-17 and has b
owed out of his last two postseasons early with significant knee injuries that r
equired surgery.
不幸的是,在现实世界中并不存在这种保证身体状况完好的情况,我们不能忽视这一点来评
估可爱。
这并不是他的错,但这位两次冠军得主、两次年度最佳防守球员和两次总决赛最有价值球员
已经不能在整个赛季中展现最佳状态。自2016-17赛季以来,他每年只打了60场比赛或更少
,并且在过去两个季后赛中因膝盖重伤而提前退场,需要动手术。
Now 32 and toting a health history that suggests 30-plus missed games should be
the minimum expectation, Leonard doesn't belong among the league's elite unless
you're talking on a per-minute basis.
Load management is guaranteed to limit him from October to April, and that's bou
nd to hurt his team's playoff seeding. And now that we know even the most carefu
l treatment during the year won't keep Leonard from breaking down in the playoff
s, it's hard to believe it's even possible to have him at his best when it matte
rs most.
现年32岁的可爱带着一份伤病史,表明他缺席30场以上的比赛是最低期望值。
在整个10月至4月的例行赛中,可爱都必须进行负荷管理,这势必会影响他所在球队的季后
赛种子排名。而且现在我们知道,即使在整个赛季中进行最谨慎的治疗,也无法阻止可爱在
季后赛中受伤,
很难相信他能在最重要的时刻达到最佳状态。
A great player for 50 games spread across several months is nothing to sneeze at
. But Leonard's unavailability is now his defining feature. Sad as that is, we n
eed to recognize he's no longer at home in the league's top superstar tier.
一个优秀的球员在几个月里只打 50 场比赛,这没什么好奇怪的。但可爱的无法出赛现在成
了他的显著特征。尽管这很可悲,但我们必须认识到,他已经不再是联盟顶级巨星的一员了

3. Jonas Valanciunas, New Orleans Pelicans
Given the rise of better stats, we should be smart enough to know that a center
averaging a double-double doesn't mean what we used to think it did. For example
, we now understand that the best big men can survive defensively in space, lowe
r the accuracy (and even attempt rates) on opponent shots around the rim and gen
erally do more than take up room in the lane.
鉴于进阶数据的兴起,我们应该聪明地知道,一名场均得分篮板双位数的中锋并不意味着像
我们以前认为的那样好。例如,我们现在明白,最好的大个子在防守时能够在对手拉开空间
时生存,降低对手在篮下的投篮准确率(甚至是出手次数),并且通常不仅仅在禁区占位置
而已。
Jonas Valanciunas looks like a star if viewed through a 1996 lens. But his 2022-
23 averages of 14.1 points and 10.2 rebounds on 54.7 percent shooting don't hold
up from a modern perspective.
假如回到1996年,大V看起来会像一个明星球员。但从现代的角度来看,他在2022-23赛季的
场均14.1分和10.2个篮板(命中率54.7%)并不称得上出色。
New Orleans seemed to value his ability to score on the block last season, and V
alanciunas wound up with the highest post-up frequency in the league. But he onl
y managed .98 points per attempt, which ranked in the 56th percentile. All those
post touches weren't fatal with Zion Williamson out of action, but any team tha
t prizes spacing (which is all of them) and clear driving lanes should never dum
p the rock into Valanciunas, which basically erases his offensive worth.
鹈鹕上赛季似乎很重视他在低位得分的能力,这让大V成为全联盟低位进攻频率最高的球员
。但他每次进攻只能得到0.98分,这只优于56%的球员。当Zion不在场时,这些低位进攻并
不致命,但任何重视空间(几乎所有球队都重视)和有明确进攻空间的球队都不应该把球传
给大V,这基本上等于削弱了他的进攻价值。
The real trouble is on the other end, where Valanciunas' immobility makes him a
target in pick-and-roll coverage. Unable to switch onto guards, he tends to drop
toward the bucket, which isn't a great alternative. When designated as the prim
ary defender, Valanciunas allowed opponents to shoot 65.3 percent inside six fee
t, the second-worst figure among players who guarded at least 450 shots at close
range.
真正的麻烦在另一面,大V的移动能力使他成为挡拆点名的目标。他无法换防到后卫,通常
会朝篮下沈退,这不是一个很好的选择。当大V作为防守者时,对手在六英尺以内投篮的命
中率达到65.3%,这是那些至少对450次近距离投篮进行防守的球员中第二差的数据。
Valanciunas is tough and he competes, but his best skills don't drive winning. A
nd his shortcomings can low-key undercut his team's chances at success.
大V是个坚韧的球员,他竞争意识很强,但他最擅长的技能并不能带来胜利。而且他的缺点
可能会悄悄削弱他所在球队的成功机会。
2. Dillon Brooks, Houston Rockets
Dillon Brooks might not have landed here if he'd signed a contract for the mid-l
evel exception or less following his unceremonious dismissal from the Memphis Gr
izzlies. But the Houston Rockets swooped in and outbid everyone in handing the d
efense-first 27-year-old a four-year deal that could be worth up to $90 million
with incentives.
如果狄龙在和灰熊不光彩地分道扬镳后,以中产或以下的价码签约,那么他可能不会出现在
这里。但火箭抢先一步和这名以防守为先的27岁球员签了一份为期四年的合约,这份合约根
据激励条款的不同可能达到9000万美元。
That's a lot of money for the player who had the lowest Box Plus/Minus of anyone
who logged at least 2,000 minutes last season.
这对于上赛季至少上场2000分钟的球员中BPM最低的球员来说是很多钱。
Brooks' value comes entirely on defense, but his contributions on that end have
rarely negated the damage he does offensively. Of the 65 players who attempted a
t least 900 shots last season, Brooks' 49.4 true shooting percentage ranked dead
last.
狄龙的价值完全来自于防守,但他在进攻方面的伤害抵销了他防守的贡献。在上赛季里至少
出手投篮900次的65名球员中,布鲁克斯的真实命中率仅为49.4%,倒数第一名。
There's a strong case to be made that Brooks was the single most damaging offens
ive player in the league last season, and it's not like he's been much better in
the past. He's never once posted a true shooting percentage within spitting dis
tance of the league average. That level of offensive ineffectiveness is hard to
deal with at any position, but it's particularly damaging on the wing, where mos
t clubs expect to get relatively efficient scoring.
可以明确地说,狄龙上赛季可能是全联盟进攻最伤害球队的球员,但这不是说他以前的表现
很好。他从未一次在真实命中率上接近联盟平均水平。这种程度的进攻效率不论在任何位置
上都是灾难,但在侧翼球员身上尤其有害,大多数球队都希望侧翼能相对高效的得分。
Add in all the counterproductive bluster and bear-poking that backfired so often
over the last several years, and the Rockets are giving quality-starter money t
o a player who—statistically and according to the Grizzlies' handling of his fr
ee agency—does more harm than good.
综合以上,再过去几年中经常适得其反的虚张声势和激怒对手的行为,火箭给了这位球员优
质先发级的薪水,但根据数据和灰熊处理他的方式来看,这很明显是弊大于利。
1. Domantas Sabonis, Sacramento Kings
How is it possible for a three-time All-Star center who just finished a season w
ith averages of 19.1 points, a league-leading 12.3 rebounds and 7.3 assists to b
e overrated?
一名得过三次全明星的中锋,上赛季场均得到19.1分,联盟最高的12.3个篮板和7.3次助攻
,怎么可能被高估呢?
Well, start with the fact that he was essentially outplayed by Kevon Looney in t
he Sacramento Kings' first-round loss to the Golden State Warriors. That series
swung in part on Sabonis' inability to shoot from the perimeter, put the ball on
the floor in space or defend the rim. Those three shortcomings mattered far les
s during the regular season, when opponents didn't study up and force the Kings
center out of his comfort zone.
首先,他在国王对勇士的系列赛败仗中被鲁尼打得几乎毫无还手之力。这个系列赛的天秤倒
向勇士的原因之一就是小沙无法投外线、自行持球进攻或护框。在例行赛季时这三个缺陷的
影响要小得多,因为对手并没有研究并迫使小沙离开他的舒适区。
Sabonis is an immensely gifted offensive player, but he's also limited. For a Ki
ngs team that is now concerned with succeeding in the playoffs, those limitation
s are meaningful. If he can't shore up his specific and obviously exploitable we
aknesses, Sabonis will struggle to be a factor in the postseason games Sacrament
o wants to win. The Warriors provided the book on how to marginalize Sabonis, an
d future playoff opponents will have read it carefully.
小沙在进攻端有着极高的天赋,但限制也很多。对于一支如今关注在季后赛中取得成功的国
王队来说,这些限制是很关键的。如果小沙无法弥补自己明显易被利用的弱点,他将很难在
国王希望赢得的季后赛中发挥作用。勇士队提供了如何将小沙边缘化的书籍,未来的季后赛
对手也会仔细阅读。
Compounding matters, the Kings handed Sabonis a contract extension that'll pay h
im $217 million over the next five years. That's max-level cash for a player who
se postseason minutes against Golden State coincided with a minus-9.5 net rating
.
An effective regular-season weapon who had a great deal to do with the Kings' 20
22-23 leap, Sabonis comes with too many conspicuous failings to warrant his star
reputation and salary.
更糟糕的是,国王队给了小沙一份5年2.17亿美元的续约合同,也就是给予季后赛对阵勇士
队时净效率场均为负 9.5 分的球员一份顶薪合约,小沙在例行赛能帮助球队很多,他在国
王队的2022-23赛季的进步中有很大功劳,但他的明显缺点太多,无法证明他值得明星级球
员的声誉和薪水。
心得:DDR跟可爱一起上榜,不过我翻这篇最主要是因为我很认同大V过誉这点,之前看到有
个台湾YT狂吹他…但他真的很难用,之前板上也不少人吹他,但数据冷冰冰,尤其他跟Zion
超级无敌不搭,鹈鹕绝对需要送走其中一人
作者: derekchang56 (Derekchangpwpw)   2023-07-30 15:03:00
他在国王对勇士的系列赛败仗中被鲁尼'打'得几乎毫无
作者: tony09100920 (祐子)   2023-07-30 15:03:00
就算是这五个人,小沙应该也是第五吧
作者: jackylin1999 (送头王)   2023-07-30 15:05:00
超可悲 ddr扛着公牛那几个麻瓜往前也要过誉喔怎么不看看lavine武切长什么样子啊 更不用说球还受伤爆炸了而且今年可爱不就差点带着快艇把太阳掀掉..?而且今年还是因为pg 又又又 不然我阳还真的不一定过
作者: derekchang56 (Derekchangpwpw)   2023-07-30 15:10:00
这篇就金州那队球迷写的 自己家最过誉的射手没排上来 其他明星球员有他的待遇至少场均50+10 三围200
作者: TooGodLa1616 (太神啦)   2023-07-30 15:10:00
看到小沙、可爱跟DDR就知道这个榜单的参考价值了LOL
作者: jackylin1999 (送头王)   2023-07-30 15:12:00
而且狄龙是因为薪水上榜的 靠邀大V不就双标他才领多少 怎么不说老脸季后赛打那什么鬼小沙季后赛不是带着伤打完的吗
作者: sustainer123 (caster)   2023-07-30 15:19:00
brooks进攻伤害抵消防守贡献 没啥问题吧
作者: hansvonboltz (hanslion)   2023-07-30 15:26:00
狄龙哈哈
作者: sustainer123 (caster)   2023-07-30 15:43:00
差超多吧 聪明进攻效率屌虐brooks我完全不能理解为啥他的USG%有21 去年还28
作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2023-07-30 15:51:00
这篇真的没意义 如果受伤就过誉那胖虎更扯欸
作者: TimmyWendell (流浪提米)   2023-07-30 15:53:00
超好笑,说可爱上不了场过誉,结果西门跟Zion都不过誉XD
作者: LEBR0NJAMES6   2023-07-30 16:03:00
篮球YT说书仔全都没料好吗…
作者: BSpringsteen (Bruce Springsteen)   2023-07-30 16:38:00
鸡蛋里挑骨头 没拿总冠军都算过誉
作者: yowhatsupsli (卖火柴的小女孩)   2023-07-30 17:14:00
沙包没被打死已经是大胜利了还过誉
作者: Giovinazzi99 (alpharomeo)   2023-07-30 17:26:00
只有DDR这咖完全过誉 其他根本没有
作者: z87556600000 (Feng)   2023-07-30 17:43:00
没小沙 国王早走远了
作者: GordnHayward (GordonHayward)   2023-07-30 18:06:00
可爱这种哪算阿 他巅峰真实实力就是2FMVP
作者: answermangtr (你今天抓了嘛)   2023-07-30 18:24:00
沙包我觉得还好 其他人讲的还算中肯
作者: GordnHayward (GordonHayward)   2023-07-30 18:46:00
2FMVP就是摆在那 还在那边闹
作者: GordonRamsay (Fxck off)   2023-07-30 18:56:00
作者: ZIbrahimovic (Zlatan Ibrahimovic)   2023-07-30 19:11:00
虽说人有言论自由 但这篇文也烂到冲破下限了吧
作者: cherrycookie (cookiesme)   2023-07-30 21:19:00
这超烂,小沙过誉???
作者: Aequanimitas (Paranoia)   2023-07-30 23:01:00
没Embiid就知道不用看了
作者: RisingTackle (拉西吹狗)   2023-07-31 01:01:00
Overrated指的球员帐面数据漂亮 怎么可能会有西门?
作者: evilraistlin (神蝶)   2023-07-31 07:41:00
西门就没有誉是要怎么过...
作者: breakingduck (破碎的鸭子)   2023-07-31 13:15:00
第一名小沙?国王战绩直上的核心被说过誉?而且嘴可爱受伤,那怎么不排胖虎
作者: zaq1xsw21212 (aaaa)   2023-08-01 13:08:00
实在看不懂火箭在签三小 沙包过誉第一也太扯了吧

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