Re: [讨论] 为何公牛老板那么急着重建?

楼主: iphone15 (JeanValjean)   2023-06-24 00:26:20
在网络上找到了一篇Jerry Krause的说法
他说明了公牛王朝解体的原因:
0.97-98赛季相较前两季,球队效率值下降。
1.Lonely、Pippen的健康状况堪忧。
2.Rodman已有年纪,而且场外状况太多,无法专注在球场上。
3.Luv Lonely跟Steve Kerr即将取得自由球员身分,在薪资帽规定下,公牛付不起他们的FA价
4.禅师很早跟球队讲明不想带重建中球队,并想在带完这年后放至少一年的假
看了克胖的说明
觉得制服组要重建球队也是必然的
Rodman自己在the last dance都说没有他公牛没办法三连霸
其他人都留但少了Rodman可能连东冠都过不
Rodman后来2年在湖人、小牛的场均篮板数还是很好
并没有如克胖所言因年龄而表现有明显下滑
但主要还是心不在球场上了
尤其都拿过三连霸了 会影响他的打球动机
而且97-98赛季就已经开始心不在焉了
98-99可能状况会更多
公牛不留小虫很合理
Pippen后来去火箭跟拓荒者成绩不能说很差
但表现不如公牛时期的他
一来是年龄到了差不多要开始走下玻的时候了
二来是健康状况让他回不去过去的巅峰状态
公牛不想付FA价留夺冠功臣元老是有点无情
但看来也是理性决策
克胖一再提及因为薪资帽规定让公牛的薪资操作缺乏空间
他虽然没明讲
但我觉得他的意思就是在要付30M以上给乔丹的情形下
在薪资帽规定下还要找齐其他夺冠班底是不可能的任务
除非乔丹自己主动提降薪
但乔丹自尊心那么强
要他拿了三连霸还降薪他肯定无法接受
之后除了典韦外也没有顶级球星肯把自己的薪水让给别人只为夺冠
公牛王朝解体现在来看是必然
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/jerry-krause-explains-why-the-bulls-dynasty-unraveled-in-his-words/361158/
In this final excerpt from Jerry Krause's unfinished and unpublished memoir, the Bulls' general manager pulls back the curtain on the end of the dynasty.
在克胖完成且未出版的回忆录的最后摘录中,公牛队总经理揭开了王朝终结的神秘面纱
“There’s Jerry Krause, the guy who broke up the championship dynasty.”
“克胖是终结公牛王朝的元凶!”
“There’s Jerry Krause, the guy with the huge ego who wanted to build a championship team without Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson, the guy who thought he was more important than the players and coaches.”
“自尊心强的克胖想打造一支没有禅师及乔丹的冠军队,他认为他比球员、教练还重要”
If I’ve heard or seen those quotes a thousand times in different publications and venues throughout America, you can be sure there were thousands of them said to which I wasn’t privy.
克胖表示这些他毫不知情的流言蜚语多到无法胜数
Up until now, as you read this, nobody outside of Jerry Reinsdorf, myself and a few select people in the Bulls organization really knows what happened in the aftermath of winning our sixth world championship in eight years.
只有克胖、大老板及少数制服组成员真正知道公牛拿到第六冠后发生了什么事
Did we break up the winning team so that we could satisfy our own egos and win without those players and coaches? Do you really think that people who worked for so many years to win and then win again and again would be dumb enough to let egos get in the way of trying to win again?
我们是否解散了获胜的球队,以便在没有那些球员和教练的情况下满足我们自己的自我并赢得胜利? 你真的认为那些为了胜利而努力了这么多年,然后一次又一次地获胜的人会愚蠢到让自尊阻碍他们再次获胜吗?
Do you think that an organization built with one single purpose, from its chairman on down through the lowest-ranking member of the front office — to win championships — would easily give up that thought?
你认为一个从主席到管理层最低级别的成员都只有一个目标的组织——赢得冠军——会轻易放弃这一想法吗?
During the last championship run in 1998, cracks in the foundation of the teams we’d built began to alarmingly show up at inopportune times. To the adoring public, the age that was showing on Dennis Rodman, the lack of movement by Luc Longley, the slowdown in efficiency after playing over 100 games per year in two of the previous three seasons, was not apparent. The lack of recovery time in the summer, where beaten-up legs could have enough time on (strength and conditioning coach) Al Vermeil’s summer
program to gain back the strength they’d lost in playing far longer than any other team in the league, never struck the fans or the media. The fact that winning titles meant drafting last each year in what at the time were poor draft crops meant nothing. We’d gotten lucky in 1990 in that most NBA people did not think that Toni Kukoc would even come to the NBA, and he’d fallen to early in the second round where we had a pick.
在 1998 年上一次夺冠期间,我们组建的球队的基础在不合时宜的时候开始出现令人担忧的裂缝。 对于崇拜球员的球迷来说,他们看不到丹尼斯·罗德曼的年龄、卢克·朗利缺乏运动能力,以及在经过两个赛季每年打超过 100 场比赛后,第三个赛季效率值的下降。
夏季缺乏恢复时间从未引起球迷或媒体的注意:受伤的双腿可以有足够的时间参加(力量和体能教练)Al Vermeil 的夏季计划,以恢复他们因比赛时间比联盟中任何其他球队长得多而失去的力量,。
事实上,赢得冠军意味着每年最后一次选秀,而当时的选秀作物歉收,这一事实毫无意义。 1990 年我们很幸运,大多数 NBA 人都没有想到托尼·库科奇会来到 NBA,而且他在我们有一个选秀权的第二轮早段就掉下来了。
But to the fans and media, we had Michael Jordan and he could overcome anything. He could play without a center and a power forward for a capped team with little or no flexibility and still win by himself. Or Scottie Pippen, with two operations in the previous two years, could rise to the occasion and win with Michael and a declining supporting cast.
但对于球迷和媒体来说,我们有迈克尔·乔丹,他可以克服任何困难。 他可以在没有中锋和大前锋的情况下为一支几乎没有薪资空间的球队打球,但仍然可以自己获胜。
或者,斯科蒂·皮蓬(Scottie Pippen)在过去两年接受了两次手术,可能会在迈克尔和日渐衰落的支持阵容的帮助下,挺身而出并赢得胜利。
We had the finest coach in the game in Phil Jackson, whom the public did not know didn’t want to coach a rebuilding team and who’d informed us before the season that he wanted to ride off to Montana and take at least a year off.
我们有比赛中最好的教练菲尔·杰克逊,公众不知道他不想执教一支重建球队,而且他在赛季前告诉我们他想骑马去蒙大拿州并至少放一年假。
I’m now going to take you to a place no Bulls outsider has ever been, a meeting in early July 1998. It was attended by Jerry Reinsdorf, myself, (assistant general manager) Jim Stack, Al Vermeil, the team doctors and surgeons, (VP of finance) Irwin Mandel and (assistant to the GM) Karen Stack. Vermeil knew more about the condition of the players’ bodies than even the medical people. He had continually tested them in and out of season during the entire championship run. We had asked then-trainer Chip
Schaefer to submit a written report on the team’s health. Phil had made his decision (to leave) eight months before the meeting.
现在我要带你们去一个公牛队局外人从来没有去过的地方,1998 年 7 月上旬的一次会议。参加会议的有杰里·雷因斯多夫(Jerry Reinsdorf)、我本人、(助理总经理)吉姆·斯塔克(Jim Stack)、(队医和外科医生)艾尔·维尔梅尔(Al Vermeil)、(财务副总裁)Irwin Mandel 和(总经理助理)Karen Stack。
队医维梅尔比医务人员更了解球员的身体状况。 在整个冠军争夺战中,他在赛季内外不断地测试球员的健康状况。
我们要求当时的教练 Chip Schaefer 提交一份关于球队健康状况的书面报告。
禅师在会议召开前八个月就做出了(离开)决定。
The first question I asked was how much did people think we could get out of Luc Longley, a free-agent-to-be who we’d had to rest periodically over the last few years because of unstable ankles. Al and the doctors thought he would break down quickly.
我问的第一个问题是,人们认为我们可以从卢克·朗利身上得到多少好处,他是一名准自由球员,过去几年我们因为脚踝不稳定而不得不定期休息。 艾尔和医生认为他很快就会崩溃。
Next question: Rodman? Each person in the room was concerned that Dennis’ off-court meanderings had caught up with him, that he was playing on fumes at the end of the season.
下一个问题:罗德曼? 房间里的每个人都担心丹尼斯在场外的胡思乱想已经影响到了他,担心他在赛季结束时表现得很糟糕。
OK. No center, no power forward, very little (cap space) to sign anybody of any quality to replace them. Who defends in the middle if Jordan and Pippen do come back? Who rebounds?
好的。 没有中锋,没有大前锋,几乎没有(薪资空间)来签下任何有能力的人来替代他们。 如果乔丹和皮蓬复出,谁来防守中路? 谁抢篮板?
We go to Pippen. He’s had two major surgeries in two years, one of them late in the summer to purposely defy our instructions to do it earlier and not miss regular-season time. He wants to rightfully be paid superstar dollars. Is he worth the risk, especially if we can’t find a center and a power forward, and he and Michael have to carry the load for a new coach? I seriously doubt it.
我们来看皮蓬。 他在两年内接受了两次大手术,其中一次是在夏末,目的是故意违抗我们提前进行手术的指示,以免错过常规赛时间。 他希望得到应有的巨星报酬。
我们值得为皮朋冒这个风险吗,特别是如果我们找不到中锋和大前锋,而靠皮朋迈克尔必须为新教头carry整只球队?我严重怀疑这一点。
Can Michael continue his greatness without a center, power forward and possibly Pippen? Could Bill Russell, the greatest team player ever, have won without great players around him? No. Michael has said publicly that he will not play for a coach other than Phil. Phil has told us he’s gone. What does Michael do?
在没有中锋、大前锋甚至皮蓬的情况下,乔丹能否继续他的伟大? 比尔·拉塞尔,有史以来最伟大的团队球员,如果周围没有伟大的球员,他还能获胜吗? 不会。迈克尔曾公开表示,他不会为菲尔以外的教练效力。 菲尔告诉我们他走定了。乔丹会做什么?
The important role players like Steve Kerr and Jud Buechler are free agents who can get more money from other teams than we can give them under the cap rules.
像史蒂夫·科尔和贾德·布什勒这样的重要角色球员都是自由球员,他们可以从其他球队那里得到更多钱,相较于在薪资帽限制下公牛能出的钱。
Could we get Phil to coach without a proven center, power forward, probably Pippen, a basically new bench and crazy expectations that “in Michael we trust” can win without help? Not a chance.
我们能期待禅师去执教一只没有经过验证的中锋、大前锋(可能是皮蓬)、一个全新的板凳球员的球队以及“相信乔丹”的疯狂期待而继续赢球?想得美?
Put yourself in our shoes as we walk out of that room. What would you do? Did we break up a dynasty or was the dynasty breaking up of age, natural attrition of NBA players with little time to recuperate and the salary-cap rules that govern the game?
当我们走出那个房间时,请设身处地为我们着想。 你会怎么办? 是我们分裂了一个王朝,还是王朝因年龄、NBA球员缺乏恢复时间的自然损耗以及管理比赛的工资帽规则而分裂?
One thing we did do was make sure no information got out of that meeting that could hurt any player’s chances of getting a quality contract. Phoenix gave Longley lifetime security in the form of a five-year deal at huge dollars. Three years later, having been dumped by Phoenix on an unsuspecting Knicks team, Longley was retired in his native country.
我们所做的一件事是确保从这次会议中得到的信息不会损害任何球员获得优质合同的机会。 太阳队以五年巨额合同的形式给予朗利终身保障。 三年后,朗利被太阳队抛弃并被毫无戒心的尼克斯队抛弃,他最终在他的祖国退役。
Rodman played 35 more games, never able to regain his previous form.
As the summer wore on and players were locked out of the training facilities by the league — that would mean the NBA season would not start until late January — things got even worse. Michael sliced a finger on a cigar cutter that would’ve prevented him from playing an entire season. To his credit, he could have stiffed us and signed a huge contract. But he was honest and we were well informed what the condition of the hand was. He didn’t want to play on a rebuilding team, and he stuck to his word.
罗德曼又打了35场比赛,再也没有恢复到以前的状态。
随着夏天的过去,球员们被联盟禁止进入训练设施——这意味着 NBA 赛季要到一月下旬才会开始——情况变得更糟。 迈克尔被雪茄刀割伤了手指,这让他无法参加整个赛季的比赛。 值得赞扬的是,他本可以逼迫我们并签署一份巨额合同。 但他很诚实,我们很清楚这只手的状况。 他不想在重建球队中打球,但他遵守了自己的诺言。
In January, when the league was about to resume and free agents could be signed, Pippen’s agents asked us to do Scottie a favor. By doing a sign-and-trade with Houston, Scottie could get more than $20 million more than he could by just signing a straight-out contract. Jerry and I gave him his going-away present. I called Steve and Jud and told them the situation and to take the first good contract they could because we were not going to bid for them. They deserved it.
There you have it, the truth.
一月份,当联盟即将恢复并且可以签下自由球员时,皮蓬的经纪人请我们帮斯科蒂一个忙。 通过与休斯顿火箭队的先签后换,斯科蒂可以获得比直接签下合同多超过 2000 万美元的收入。 这是大老板和我送给他临别礼物。 我打电话给史蒂夫和贾德,告诉他们情况,并告诉他们可以接受第一份好的合同,因为我们不打算竞标他们。 他们应得的。
这就是真相。
作者: mikechang829 (Back,Perspired)   2023-06-24 02:17:00
小时候都觉得克胖拆球队很可恶... 长大后反而觉得这些球员很机掰 XD
作者: onegaisimasu (Onegaisimasu)   2023-06-24 07:27:00
有点道理
作者: babyface1977 (风小呆)   2023-06-24 08:14:00
机掰的是薪资帽吧?
作者: Utopiasphere   2023-06-25 02:30:00
没薪资帽的话你会看到快艇老板组出比KD勇更扯的阵容

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