[外絮] 投票者回顾了15年FMVP投票的情形

楼主: mingonly (想要告诉你!)   2022-06-13 00:58:43
记者Howard Beck在最新的一期专题报导里,针对所有2015年总决赛的投票者进行采访,回
顾当时投票的情形。IGGY得到7票当选总决赛MVP,LeBron得到4票,Curry得到0票。
Stein: Very seriously. Those Warriors revolved around Steph and frankly they sti
ll do. But I ultimately went with Iguodala, because he changed the series when h
e became a starter. People forget he scored 25 points in the clinching Game 6 wi
n. People also forget that the Warriors were a shaky mess at 2–1, down against
a heavy underdog that won TWO games without Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving to take
a series lead. Iguodala changed the series, and that's why he got my vote.
Stein: 勇士以Curry为中心,他们现在仍然如此。 但我最终选择了IGGY,因为他成为先发
后改变了这个系列赛。 外界都忘记了他在G6中得到了25分。 人们也忘了勇士系列赛1-2落
后的烂摊子,面对没有Love和KI的实力占下风的弱队,而那样的骑士赢得了两场比赛,取得
系列赛的领先。但IGGY改变了这个系列赛,这就是为什么他得到了我的选票。
Lowe: Very seriously. If I had voted for a Warrior, I’d have voted for Curry. I
just thought what LeBron did, getting that Cavs team without Kyrie Irving and K
evin Love a 2–1 lead—and keeping them competitive in all but one of their four
losses—was pretty remarkable. Too many people focus on LeBron’s shooting perc
entages in that series, which were not great. They weren’t horrid either, and h
e was doing pretty much everything.
Lowe:如果我要投票给勇士,我会投给Curry。 我只是认为LeBron所做的,他让没有KI和Lov
e的骑士以2-1领先,并且在四场失利中保持了他们的比赛竞争力,这是非常了不起的表现。
太多人关注在LeBron在那个系列赛中的投篮命中率并不是很好。 但那个数据也不糟糕,而
他几乎做了所有的事情。
Spears: There was no other NBA Finals MVP, All-Star MVP or final season award vo
te that I have agonized over more than this one. There was not a lot of time to
think about it, either. Ultimately, the defensive impact of Iguodala on LeBron s
wayed me.
Spears:没有任何一个NBA总决赛MVP、全明星MVP或赛季末的奖项投票比这次更让我苦恼。
我也没有多少时间去思考这件事。 最终,IGGY在防守端对LeBron的影响动摇了我。
Berger: For me, LeBron was the runaway leader in the clubhouse after the first t
hree games. How could he not have been after putting up 44-8-6 in 45 minutes, 39
-16-11 in 50 minutes, and 40-12-8-4 in 46 minutes? Steph was the best player on
the Warriors through three games ... but not even close to the best player in th
e series. The series changed when Steve Kerr inserted Iguodala into the starting
lineup in Game 4. In that pivotal game, LeBron was human (20-12-8 in 40 minutes
) as the Warriors tied the series at 2–2 and avoided the dreaded 3–1 deficit.
So at that point, Curry was a distant second to LeBron in my MVP thoughts.
Berger: 对我来说,LeBron在前三场比赛后是选票的领先者。 他在45分钟内打出44分8篮板
6助攻、50分钟内打出39分16篮板11助攻、46分钟内打出40分12篮板8助攻4抄截的表现,他
怎么可能不是呢? 而Curry在前三场过后都是勇士队内最好的球员……但离系列赛最佳球员
还差得远。 当Kerr在G4将IGGY放进先发阵容后,这个系列赛发生了变化,勇士以2-2追平系
列赛,避免了可怕的1-3落后。 所以在那个时候,在我的MVP评选中,Curry是远远落后于Le
Bron。
Lloyd: If the Cavs had gotten it to a Game 7 and stretched the series as far as
it could go (as Jerry West did the year he won it in a losing effort), LeBron wo
uld’ve gotten my vote, regardless. The fact the Cavs lost in six, and three str
aight to end the series, eliminated him from my ballot. So then it became Steph
or Iggy. The fact remains the entire series swung on Iggy entering the Warriors
’ starting lineup. When Iguodala was off the court in these Finals, LeBron shot
44% and the Cavs outscored the Warriors by 30 points. When Iguodala was on the
court, he was James’s primary defender and LeBron shot 38%—and the Warriors ou
tscored the Cavs by 55. Without Iguodala, the Cavs win the series. That’s prett
y valuable to me, even if it doesn’t fit the narrative today.
Lloyd:如果骑士能打到第七场,把系列赛拉长(就像Jerry West当年在输球的情况下赢得总
决赛MVP那样),不管结果如何,LeBron都会得到我的选票。 事实上,骑士在六场过后失利
,并以三连败结束了系列赛,这使得他从我的选票中消失了。 然后就变成了Curry和IGGY之
间的抉择。 事实上,整轮系列赛都取决于IGGY是否进入先发阵容。 当IGGY不在场上的时候
,Lebron的命中率达到了44%,骑士比勇士多得了30分。 当IGGY在场上的时候,他是Lebron
的主要防守球员,Lebron的命中率为38%,勇士比骑士多得55分。 没有IGGY,骑士就会赢得
那轮系列赛。 这一点对我来说很有价值,即使它不符合现今的舆论导向。
Aschburner: I considered Curry as seriously as any of the players in that series
. I think I heard the Iguodala chatter, but wasn’t persuaded. My view of Curry
was that he had been good, but not GREAT, and had had plenty of help at various
points in the series. Meanwhile, LeBron had little or no help with Kyrie out aft
er one game and Kevin Love not available at all.
Aschburner:我认真的考虑过Curry。我听到了一些关于IGGY的议论,但我没被说服。 我对C
urry的看法是,他表现不错,但并不伟大,而且他在系列赛的各个阶段都得到了很多帮助。
与此同时,在KI打完G1报销之后,LeBron几乎没有得到任何帮助,而Love也完全不能上场
Simmons: I barely considered Curry, but I definitely waffled on whether I was vo
ting for the NBA Finals’ best player or most valuable player. LeBron James was
clearly the best player in the series, and Andre Iguodala was clearly the most v
aluable player to the winning team in the series. Curry was ultimately not part
of my choice, even with the understanding that he got the Warriors to a place th
at they hadn’t been for 40 years. He simply was not among the most impactful pl
ayers in that best-of-seven series, and I believe that’s what I was called to v
ote on.
Simmons:我几乎没有考虑过Curry,但我肯定是在为NBA总决赛最佳球员还是最有价值球员而
投票感到纠结。 LeBron显然是这轮系列赛中最好的球员,而在获胜的队伍里IGGY是最有价
值的球员。 Curry最终不是我选择的一部分,即使我知道是他让勇士达到了40年来从未达到
的水准。 在那轮七战四胜的赛制的系列赛中,他根本不是最有影响力的球员之一,我相信
这就是我进行投票时考虑的原因。
Amick: After three games, it just felt like LeBron was eviscerating the Warriors
; and more importantly, that Steph was getting mauled in this matchup, and he ha
d a really bad Game 2. Games 1 and 3 looked fine in the box score, but defensive
ly, he was getting picked on a bit. The thing that gets overlooked a bit is that
when (Andrew) Bogut was in there, it was inviting the Cavs to trap with Tristan
Thompson and making life really tough on Steph. So when Iguodala entered the st
arting lineup in Game 4, it wasn’t just a case of slowing LeBron a little bit,
it was also that on the offensive end, he was spacing the floor and making thing
s easier on Steph.
Amick:三场比赛之后,感觉LeBron就像是在摧毁勇士;更重要的是,Curry在这轮对位中受
到了重创,他在G2打得非常糟糕。 他在G1和G3的数据看起来不错,但在防守端,他受到了
一些批评。 有一件事被忽视了,当Bogut在场上的时候,这是在欢迎骑士利用TT上前包夹,
这让Curry变得很艰难。 所以,当IGGY在G4进入先发阵容时,这不仅仅是在防守端限制了Le
Bron,而且在进攻端,他还拉开了空间,让Curry打得更轻松。
Van Gundy: I thought it was clear cut (for James). And then the next clear-cut o
ne was, if it was from the Warriors, it was Curry. But you’re also happy for a
guy like Iguodala, who’s had a terrific career, and he played great. My second
pick would have been Curry. Sometimes when you don’t play to the level—this in
credibly high level of expectation that he’s created for himself—you get overs
crutinized. And I think that’s been him a lot in his career.
Van Gundy:我认为这很明显(投詹姆斯)。 然后下一个明确的人选是Curry。 但你也会为IG
GY这样的人感到高兴,他有一个伟大的职业生涯,他发挥得很好。 我的第二顺位应该是Cur
ry。 有时候,当你没有达到预期时——这是他为自己创造的高得难以置信的期望,你就会
被过度审查。 我认为这在他的职业生涯中反复发生。
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作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2022-06-13 01:11:00
反正就X因子理论阿 小AI让姆斯降低6%命中率所以他是FMVP 我是不信其他年守对面主将的球员就没有能降低6%以上的但是没咖哩连冠军赛都打不到吧XD所以最大的获胜原因是Kerr的调度 只是小AI刚好是这个调度的主要选手而已我还是觉得败者没道理拿票啦 毕竟输了就是输了咖哩终究是勇士核心 也是对内数据最佳的 进攻面也是一直拉怪给队友创造机会 结果0票小AI守住LBJ拿7票 LBJ表现强到输球还拿4票 这到底是投小AI的人乱投还是投LBJ的人乱投 可不可以告诉我到底有没有守住LBJ?VV拿0票1票都合理阿 但他也没拿过半阿投出一个败者FMVP也是很难看啦 虽然小AI拿也是很诡异就是了教练改调度赢球常常发生阿 就15年比较特别 改调度就变角色球员拿FMVP了15咖哩的表现也是全队最佳阿 只是X因子拿了
作者: rebuildModel (重新建构)   2022-06-13 01:39:00
A 得 70分,B得31分。 B是后来的,所以B是最佳的。这就是瞎了眼的投票啊。
作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2022-06-13 01:40:00
就投票者对咖哩的标准超级高 对小AI的标准很低而已说是守好 但对面也拿了四票 所以投票者们彼此的标准其实就矛盾了转先发就战术转变阿 所以夺冠最大功臣毫无疑问是教练 不然小AI前三场出场时间也很高啊所以评审的标准就跟历年差超多阿 谁守对面主将谁拿FMVP到底是什么标准?队内是赢小AI的阿
作者: Darlingangel (Darlingangel)   2022-06-13 01:50:00
好了啦0票弥 又来阴谋论喔
作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2022-06-13 01:51:00
那今年青赛赢给聪明哥 勇士赢给围巾 用15年标准就该这么给看看青赛东冠和总冠JT表现的差距 如果勇士赢围巾必拿FMVP OK吧?15年咖哩烙赛也不严重啊 场均26分是有多惨?跟一开始484先发就无关阿 不是该看整个系列赛?所以有没有守住对面 在替补时就没有锅喔?
作者: penolove5566 (轻划)   2022-06-13 02:01:00
投票就是这样啊,不然就看数据选囉JT又没这么强…你有看球吗 JT打得如何?
作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2022-06-13 02:05:00
所以对面主将多强该给防守他的人FMVP? 为此还把场均26分的主将搞到0票?JT东冠打很好阿 不就是被围巾限制住才那么惨?
作者: penolove5566 (轻划)   2022-06-13 02:07:00
所以说投票就是人投出来的啊,不爽就看数据用机器选一个MVP
作者: roger2623900 (whitecrow)   2022-06-13 02:09:00
后面赢球全部都是小AI先发的功劳 那前面三场小AI上场也是30几分钟 1-2他没有锅要背喔?啊所以要多强才能让防守他的球员拿7票?守到对面败者都拿四票 我还真的不能肯定防守者的防守欸 因为这本来就很矛盾你真的守很好对面到底为什么会拿到四票...其实重点就是LBJ拿不到咖哩就不能拿可爱14年也是算全队最出色的阿 只是全队贡献很平均而已 不像15最出色的是咖哩守到对面30几分 输家还拿四票本身就很扯阿 听到这个结果谁会觉得守的很好?输家还能拿四张选票在历史也是超罕见欸考验防守能力 那小AI到底是有限制好还是没限制好?如果你说LBJ打很好那为什么小AI能靠防守拿7票 如果你说小AI限制的很好 那为什么败者还能拿四票 这本身就超级矛盾欸
作者: penolove5566 (轻划)   2022-06-13 02:28:00
如果现况打到赛提赢,那FMVP应该给咖哩,除非聪明把他搞得很惨才有机会就跟15投给母狮一样但聪明根本没有像小AI一样限制咖哩
作者: LukaDoncic77 (LD77)   2022-06-13 04:18:00
当年就硬捧姆斯阿,超好笑
作者: qwerty200056 (小鸟强尼)   2022-06-13 07:54:00
因为喇叭太鬼神所以给守喇叭的人fmvp但守喇叭的人仍然让喇叭数据很鬼神(?)
作者: janjonjoseph (叶小妹)   2022-06-13 09:00:00
那年看完我跟身旁一起看的人都是投Iggy,那个影响力感受太强烈
作者: qwerty200056 (小鸟强尼)   2022-06-13 09:14:00
伊古16.3分 5.8板 4助攻 37.1mins咖 26.0分 5.2板 6.3助 42.5mins少谁绝对没机会好像很明显这标准今年就该给聪明啊数据没输主将太多又很好地限制Curry(?)
作者: doooooooooog (腊肠狗)   2022-06-13 09:46:00
除了防守老詹,小AI后三战场均20分亮眼你要知道前三轮小AI场均才8分
作者: qwerty200056 (小鸟强尼)   2022-06-13 10:03:00
那年给小AI我觉得也行没啥问题喇叭蛮明显变得不好打,就算G5.G6依旧鬼神一直以来都觉得咖没票很怪而已
作者: playerunknow (playerunknown)   2022-06-13 11:50:00
关键的人本来就不是做最多事的人,而是做到关键的事的人

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