[专栏] 詹姆斯季后赛比乔丹遇到更艰难的竞争

楼主: kyle5241 (kyle)   2017-05-25 23:48:06
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Proof that LeBron James faced tougher playoff competition than Michael Jordan
詹姆斯季后赛面临比乔丹更艰难的竞争的证据
With the Cleveland Cavaliers one win away from locking up their 2017 NBA
Finals rematch with the Golden State Warriors, and with those Finals not
slated to start until June 1, we're going to spend a lot of time over the
next week talking about Michael Jordan.
在总冠军开打前,我们来花时间讨论一下乔丹
That's fine! We're all adults here. We can discuss how LeBron stacks up
against the Greatest of All Time like reasonable people — and that
conversation starts with their postseason competition.
我们可以讨论詹姆斯的生涯怎么很合理的跟公认史上最伟大的球员比较,首先我们
可以先比较他们季后赛遇到的强度
People have been throwing around takes on LeBron's dominance of the Eastern
Conference and Jordan's relatively easy Finals matchups lately, but we've yet
to see a year-by-year, series-by-series breakdown of each superstar's
postseason history.
人们总是说姆斯统治了东区,但乔丹的总决赛很轻松,但我们没有看见任何年对年的比较
For the sake of this exercise, we went through Jordan's last 12 playoff runs,
compared them to LeBron's 12 trips to the playoffs, year-by-year, and picked
a winner for who faced tougher playoff competition in Playoff Year One, Year
Two, and so on.
因此,我们拿乔丹最后12年的季后赛跟姆斯这12年的季后赛做比较。并选出哪队的对手
比较难搞。
For a truer comparison, we excluded Jordan's rookie season — when the Bulls
made it to the playoffs and were quickly eliminated by the Celtics — in
order to compare 12 years to 12 years, and to account for LeBron entering the
league as an 18-year-old, relative to the 21-year-old rookie Jordan.
为了公平的比较,我们把乔丹的菜鸟球季移除,因为那年被赛队惨电,而且姆斯也比
乔丹年轻三岁进入NBA
Our conclusion? While LeBron has a long way to go before he's done, he has
indeed faced a tougher road through the playoffs than Jordan did, even as
he's fought through such a weak Eastern Conference.
结论?虽然姆斯的生涯还很长,他却遇到比乔丹还要艰困的季后赛,就算他是跟比较
弱的东区对抗
季后赛第一年
Playoff year No. 1 (Jordan: 1986; James: 2006)
Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (67-15)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (42-40), Detroit Pistons (64-18)
Although Jordan was eliminated in the first round for the first three years
of his career, going up against the Celtics led by Larry Bird was undoubtedly
a tougher task than LeBron James' inaugural romp through the Wizards and
eventual playoff exit at the hands of the Pistons.
虽然乔丹连三年第一轮被淘汰,对上大鸟的赛尔迪克显然是比姆斯的巫师和活塞还要困
难的挑战
Advantage: Jordan
乔丹胜出
季后赛第二年
Playoff year No. 2 (Jordan: 1987; James: 2007)
Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (59-23)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (41-41), New Jersey Nets (41-41),
Detroit Pistons (53-29), San Antonio Spurs (58-24)
1987 was the last year the Celtics made the NBA Finals in the Larry Bird era,
with the Hick from French Lick battling problems from a 1985 back injury
suffered while shoveling his driveway.
1987年是大鸟时代最后一年到决赛,而他的大腿 Hick受了伤
So while Boston was still a formidable squad, LeBron takes Year No. 2 by
virtue of leading an overmatched Cleveland team to the NBA Finals.
所以虽然赛队还是很强,姆斯第二年就一个人带队到总冠军赛
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
季后赛第三年
Playoff year No. 3 (Jordan: 1988; James: 2008)
Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (42-40), Detroit Pistons (54-28)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (43-39), Boston Celtics (66-16)
Year No. 3 is an easy comparison between the two — a first-round defeat of a
less-talented foe, followed by a second-round defeat by a team that would
haunt each player in the early going of their careers.
这一年蛮好比的,第一轮好打,第二轮的对手挡了他们几年
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
季后赛第四年
Playoff year No. 4 (Jordan: 1989; James: 2009)
Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (57-25), New York Knicks (52-30),
Detroit Pistons (63-19)
James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (39-43), Atlanta Hawks (47-35), Orlando
Magic (59-23)
Jordan faced Patrick Ewing, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars and Bill Laimbeer, among
others, in year four of this exercise, while LeBron only had to deal with
Dwight Howard.
乔丹要跟尤英、汤姆斯、杜马斯和蓝比尔对抗,姆斯只需要对付魔兽
Advantage: Jordan
乔丹胜出
季后赛第五年
Playoff year No. 5 (Jordan: 1990; James: 2010)
Jordan's opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (44-38), Philadelphia 76ers (53-29),
Detroit Pistons (59-23)
James' opponents: Chicago Bulls (41-41), Boston Celtics (50-32)
That 2010 Bulls team was better than its record indicated, and the 2010
Celtics made the Finals, but His Airness gets a close win in Year 5 thanks to
his bouts with Charles Barkley's Sixers and his final defeat at the hands of
the Bad Boy Pistons.
虽然2010的公牛比战绩所显示的还好,而且赛队是那年进到总冠军,乔丹靠着跟
巴克利对抗以及对坏小子活塞的首胜而勉强胜出
Advantage: Jordan
乔丹胜出
季后赛第六年
Playoff year No. 6 (Jordan: 1991; James: 2011)
Jordan's opponents: New York Knicks (39-43), Philadelphia 76ers (44-38),
Detroit Pistons (50-32), Los Angeles Lakers (58-24)
James' opponents: Philadelphia 76ers (41-41), Boston Celtics (56-26), Chicago
Bulls (62-20), Dallas Mavericks (57-25)
Ignore the fact that LeBron lost to the Mavericks in the Finals, which is
irrelevant for our purposes here. The King's first Heat team faced better
teams across the board in the 2011 playoffs than the Bulls did in 1991.
忽略姆斯总冠军输球的事实,毕竟我们比较的是对手,大帝的热火队每一轮都遇到
比公牛强很多的对手
Now, you might point to Chicago's series against the Lakers as an argument in
Jordan's favor, but that Los Angeles team featured Vlade Divac as its
third-best player.
或许你会觉乔丹的总冠军对手是湖人,那湖人那时候第三得分手是Divac
Were the Lakers better than the '11 Mavs? Probably, sure. They had Magic
Johnson, after all.
那年的湖人会赢11的小牛吗? 应该吧,毕竟他们有魔术强生
The difference isn't enough to tip year six to Jordan, though.
但比较前三轮对手能力差,找不到说乔丹的对手比较强的理由
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
季后赛第七年
Playoff year No. 7 (Jordan: 1992; James: 2012)
Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (38-44), New York Knicks (51-31), Cleveland
Cavaliers (57-25), Portland Trail Blazers (57-25)
James' opponents: New York Knicks (36-30), Indiana Pacers (42-24), Boston
Celtics (39-27), Oklahoma City Thunder (47-19)
换算成82场:尼克(45胜)、赛队(48胜)、溜马(52胜)、雷霆(58胜)
Don't let the oddly low win totals for LeBron's opponents confuse you.
Remember, this was the year of the lockout, meaning that Knicks team played
at a 45-win pace, the Pacers at 52 wins, and the Thunder would have won 58
games in an 82-game season.
不要因为封馆而误会姆斯的对手
Meanwhile, Jordan waltzed through the Eastern Conference, only needing to
vanquish Patrick Ewing to earn a leisurely championship victory over Clyde
Drexler's Blazers.
乔丹在东区只要遇到尤英,其它轮很轻松。
(姆斯总冠军赛遇到雷霆三哨、东区遇到赛队和溜马,基本上超硬)
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
季后赛第8年
Playoff year No. 8 (Jordan: 1993; James: 2013)
Jordan's opponents: Atlanta Hawks (43-39), Cleveland Cavaliers (54-28), New
York Knicks (60-22), Phoenix Suns (62-20)
James' opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (38-44), Chicago Bulls (45-37), Indiana
Pacers (49-32), San Antonio Spurs (58-24)
2013 was the year we started to feel the full force of LeBron's dominance of
the Eastern Conference. Free agents started heading west, and the playoff
field was far worse for their decisions.
2013年我们开始感受到姆斯在东区的统治力。自由球员奔走西区,季后赛战场也因为
他们的进定变得很烂
Advantage: Jordan
乔丹胜出
季后赛第九年
Playoff year No. 9 (Jordan: 1995; James: 2014)
Jordan's opponents: Charlotte Hornets (50-32), Orlando Magic (57-25)
James' opponents: Charlotte Hornets (43-39), Brooklyn Nets (44-38), Indiana
Pacers (56-26), San Antonio Spurs (62-20)
Jordan had to shake off the post-retirement rust in 1995, so he didn't get to
square off with Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets.
乔丹刚复出,能力尚未恢复,所以他连欧拉朱万的火箭都遇不到
LeBron, meanwhile, lost in the Finals to a Spurs team that played some of the
greatest basketball we've ever seen in a best-of-seven series.
姆斯在总决赛输给了马刺,这个马刺打出了季后赛最棒的篮球
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
季后赛第十年
Playoff year No. 10 (Jordan: 1996; James: 2015)
Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (42-40), New York Knicks (47-35), Orlando
Magic (60-22), Seattle Sonics (64-18)
James' opponents: Boston Celtics (40-42), Chicago Bulls (50-32), Atlanta
Hawks (60-22), Golden State Warriors (67-15)
From Alonzo Mourning to Patrick Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal, and the dynamic duo
of Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp, the '96 Bulls had to tear through a gauntlet
of mid-90s legends to cap their historic 72-10 season.
从莫宁到尤因、欧尼尔、手套和坎普,96公牛必须要击败90中的传奇来创造出他72胜的
球季
LeBron, on the other hand, didn't break a sweat until a Finals series in
which the Cavs were missing both Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.
姆斯在到总冠前没有流什么汗,虽然爱和厄文都不见了
Advantage: Jordan
乔丹胜出
季后赛第11年
Playoff year No. 11 (Jordan: 1997; James: 2016)
Jordan's opponents: Washington Bullets (44-30), Atlanta Hawks (56-26), Miami
Heat (61-21), Utah Jazz (64-18)
James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (44-38), Atlanta Hawks (48-34), Toronto
Raptors (56-26), Golden State Warriors (73-19)
Year 11 offered weak competition for both LeBron and Jordan prior to the
Finals, with Jordan holding a slight edge in the second and third rounds. Yet
as good as the Jazz were in the late-90s, taking on the best regular-season
team in NBA history means this year goes to LeBron.
姆斯和乔丹在东区都蛮轻松的,乔丹的东区对手稍强,但姆斯总决赛的对手是nba例行赛
史上最强球队
As for those 73-19 Warriors? We'll touch on how they impact this discussion
in our conclusion.
Advantage: LeBron
姆斯胜出
季后赛第十二年
Playoff year No. 12 (Jordan: 1998; James: 2017)
Jordan's opponents: New Jersey Nets (43-39), Charlotte Hornets (51-31),
Indiana Pacers (58-24), Utah Jazz (62-20)
James' opponents: Indiana Pacers (42-40), Toronto Raptors (51-31), Boston
Celtics (53-29), Golden State Warriors (67-15)
Neither Jordan nor LeBron faced particularly tough competition in the Eastern
Conference in Year 12, with The King claiming this one on the strength of the
Warriors team he's one game away from facing in the NBA Finals.
前三轮双方的挑战都差不多,但是姆斯总冠军的对手强了爵士不只一个等级
Advantage: James
姆斯胜出
结果
The bottom line
Here's the final tally: Jordan had the harder road through the postseason
five times (Years 1, 4, 5, 8, and 10), while LeBron faced tougher competition
(Years 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, 11, and 12) in seven postseasons.
乔丹5:7姆斯
The fact that these two are neck-and-neck is fitting — and offers a
reasonable, nuanced answer to the question of whether LeBron or Jordan faced
tougher playoff competition in their careers:
Jordan consistently had a tougher time through the first three rounds of the
playoffs, which makes sense. There were fewer teams in the NBA during his
time, so all of the talent in the Association was more tightly distributed
than it is in 2017.
乔丹强三轮的竞争比较激烈,毕竟以前的NBA球队比较少(像中职一样)
But LeBron undoubtedly went up against better opponents in the Finals because
he plays in the age of player movement and superteams.
但是姆斯毫无疑问的在总冠军面对更强的对手,因为他是在球员抱腿以及超级球队的时代
Although His Airness had fewer cakewalks before the Finals, his hardest work
was over by the time he was playing for a ring each year — while LeBron was
just getting started.
虽然总冠前他都在吃蛋糕,但他最困难的工作刚从总冠赛开始
Indeed, if you stack up all 13 teams these two faced in the NBA Finals, six
of the top eight would be LeBron opponents, including the top four (the 2017
Warriors, 2016 Warriors, 2014 Spurs, and 2012 Thunder).
确实,如果比较这两只球队在总决所遇到全部13只的队伍,前8名有6队是姆斯的敌人,
包含了前四名(2017勇士、2016勇士、2014马刺、2012雷霆)
Only the 1993 Suns and 1996 Sonics can hold a candle to any of LeBron's foes
— and those are the two series that gave Jordan the most trouble in his
career.
只有93的太阳和96的超音速勉强可和姆斯遇到的对手一拼。而这两个队伍偏偏在总冠
也给乔丹造成最大的麻烦
So even if you want to give MJ the edge in a couple of those close postseason
comparisons, or even if you believe he faced tougher superstars, this
argument boils down to the level of competition in the Finals, where LeBron
wins.
所以就算你说乔丹的前三轮比较累,只比总冠军的对手强度,乔丹完全比不上姆斯
心得:
说姆斯得要连拿三个冠军才能追上乔丹还蛮好笑的
毕竟乔丹如果对上姆斯14年以来的对手
可能根本连一年都拿不到冠军
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwoAjQ5yas
看一下公牛对上弱化版curry怎么守挡拆的
这种防守连今年的拓荒者都打不赢
当然不可否认结果以前的公牛到现今可以学会新的防守观念
缺少三分武器的公牛到现在基本上是难在跟现在的超级球队对抗了
作者: DuncanRhoads (RR)   2017-05-26 00:02:00
乔丹有无耻去找同梯组团?84梯组团 MJ+欧拉+巴克利 不知MJ戒指会多几个?
作者: gogobala5566 (金刚战士5566)   2017-05-26 08:13:00
乔丹真的都打一堆杂鱼…
作者: gameking5036 (请勿拍打喂食)   2017-05-26 10:53:00
爵士双老没有勇士强??
作者: a31416701614   2017-05-26 11:51:00
中肯阿 总冠军机运成分也是很大 论数据 LBJ就是史上第一

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