Re: [外絮] Horford on Delly

楼主: jasonlin1993 (仙人掌)   2015-05-27 12:45:48
※ 引述《kart (=\)》之铭言:
: http://goo.gl/zTPGaA
: 这篇原文争议那么多却没人想碰,
: 因为两边球员本来就都会各有立场和情绪说话,
: 可是看完慢动作各个角度重播,你无法说Delly是故意去压脚
: 是绝对可以肯定的。
: Atlanta Hawks center Al Horford was ejected from Game 3 of the
: Eastern Conference finals after picking up a flagrant-2 foul on
: Matthew Dellavedova near the end of the second quarter on Sunday.
: The Hawks went on to lose 114-111 in overtime. It was a
: controversial call, as the Cleveland Cavaliers guard fell into his
: legs before Horford came down on him.
: Al因为这个球被驱逐出场,Cavs也听牌。
: 这个争议球起因于Delly跌倒在Al Horford脚上而Horford肘击了他。
: Dellavedova has had similar incidents with Atlanta sharpshooter
: Kyle Korver and Chicago Bulls big man Taj Gibson in the
: postseason, so some thought it might have been intentional.
: Regardless, Horford had to watch the remainder of the game with a
: couple of the Hawks' trainers, trying to send good vibes. H1e said
: it hurt to not be out there with his teammates.
: Delly的另两个争议球是Taj Gibson的夹脚事件和G2的KK事件。
: 有些人认为那是恶意的。
: "I did think he went at me," Horford said. "But I should've
: handled it better, shouldn't have got caught up in that. It's
: something that I'll definitely learn from.
: Horford说“在当下我的确认为他是针对我来的,但是我当时也应该
: 处理得更好,不应该被情绪所左右。这是一件我会从中学习的事。”
: Horford didn't want to call Dellavedova a dirty player and praised
: his competitiveness, but added that "there's gotta be a line at
: some point."
: Horford不愿意说Delly是个肮脏的球员,并且称赞了他的拼劲。
: 但是也说了“拼劲这事儿总是要有各界线在”
: "We're out there competing," he said. "But he's gotta learn, I
: mean he's only been in this league for a couple of years or
: whatever, but he's gotta learn that at the end of the day it's a
: big brotherhood here. Guys look out for each other and, I don't
: think that it was malicious, but he's gotta learn."
: “我们都在场上竞争,但是他必须要学习,我的意思是他在联盟只打了
: 两年或是什么的,但是他终究必须要去学习NBA是个大家庭。每个人都
: 要注意到对方,我不认为那是恶意的,但是他必须要去学习。”
: Horford added that, in the heat of the moment, he told a referee,
: "Listen, he went after my legs." He took responsibility for
: retaliating, though, repeatedly calling it a very poor decision.
: Horford说在比赛的激情中,他的确跟裁判说
: “听着,这家伙是针对我的腿来的。”
: 但是他也替自己的行为扛下责任,不断地说他自己的举动很蠢。
: "If it was on purpose or not, we don't know," Horford said. "Maybe
: it wasn't on purpose. But, you know, with just his track record, I
: just felt like it was."
: “我们无法知道他是不是故意的,也许他不是。但是你知道,
: 他的历史让我当时觉得他就是针对我的腿来的。”
: "I don't think when Al sees the play he's going to be mad about
: it," Cleveland guard Iman Shumpert said. "[Dellavedova] respects
: the game, Al respects the game, just happened."
: 香波说“我猜Al看完重播后他应该就不会生气了,Delly和Al都是尊重
: 比赛的人,这种球正好发生了。”
: All three officials were unanimous on the call, according to
: NBA.com's Steve Aschburner. Referee Ken Mauer said that Horford
: received the flagrant-2 for "contact above the shoulders, to the
: shoulder and head area of Dellavedova," while Dellavedova received
: his tech for making contact with Horford's knee area.
: 三个比赛裁判一致认为Horford的举动完全符合NBA教科书上对二级恶犯
: 的定义,因此必须要驱逐出场
: “多余不必要的非篮球动作直击对手肩膀以上的位置”
: 至于Delly的T是因为他的确有碰到Horford的膝盖位置
: (注:Delly的T已经被NBA澄清说是他当下碎嘴挑衅,而不是因为碰到膝盖)
: Atlanta head coach Mike Budenholzer said he watched the play, and
: he wasn't sure whether or not it warranted an ejection because it
: was hard to tell whether Horford hit Dellavedova's shoulder or
: head first. If he hit his shoulder first, Budenholzer said there
: should have been no ejection.
: Bud则说他认为Horford没有打到Delly的头,他认为只打到肩膀再撞到头,
: 那应该不用驱逐。
: "I really didn't see too much, but then I looked at the
: replay," Hawks swingman DeMarre Carroll said. "I just seen
: Dellavedova diving. You know, he did it to Kyle. He's one of our
: starters and he gotta have surgery, he's out 4-6 months. And he
: did it to Al. I think Al said, ‘Enough of this.' And he did what
: he did.
: 开罗说“我当下真的没看到太多,然后我看了重播,
: 我只看到Delly俯冲。你知道的,他也俯冲去撞KK。然后KK现在要开刀ㄟ!
: 然后他现在又去这样对Al,我想Al只是想说“真够了!”所以就肘击下去了。”
: (注:对KK那球可说Delly有俯冲动作,这球.....???)
: "I think [Dellavedova] is just competitive, man," Carroll
: continued. "Sometimes when you compete so hard, you can take it
: overboard. So there's gotta be a fine line between competing and
: being crazy. You know, Al just did what he thought was necessary
: to protect our team and make a stand. And he got threw out."
: 开罗接下来说“我认为Delly只是打的有竞争性,但是有时候你竞争过头
: 你就可能造成伤害。竞争和打到起笑应该是有界线在的。你知道的,
: Al只是想要保护我们的球队并且站出来。然后她被丢出场。”
: Carroll added that, while going after a loose ball is OK, "when
: you dive at people's feet, nothing but bad things are going to
: happen."
: 开罗接下来说,去抢loose ball当然可以,“但是如果你往别人脚下冲,
: 总是会有坏事发生的。”
: The incident might have decided Atlanta's season, but none of the
: players wanted to use it as an excuse. The Hawks were able to
: force overtime without Horford, Korver and Thabo Sefolosha, but
: they just couldn't quite come away with the victory.
: Unfortunately, this was a must-win, and now they're facing
: elimination.
: 这件事情可能让老鹰的球季结束。没有球队可以从0-3逆转过。
: Kent说
: “裁判们大概看了十分钟吧,直到他们认为判决正确为止。所以我们
: 无法对这个二级恶犯说啥。但是你必须要看看Delly的历史。这可是有很多
: 可以着墨的空间。当然比赛结束后这些都不重要了,我们少了Al而我们
: 当时还有比赛要打。”
: ===========================
: 补充刚刚看到LBJ和Delly的赛后记者会,关于这个play的部分
: (确定大意正确,不过等有人有transcript了可以帮忙补充原文)
: 记者问说开罗说往别人脚边冲(diving to others feet)是很糟糕的举动
: LBJ本来想替Delly回答,但是Delly坚持自己回答:
: “在G2的时候那球,球在我的肚子这边,我只想保护球并且赶快传出去,
: 今天这球,我的左手臂一直被Al跩著向外拖,我试图挣脱但是没办法,
: 然后我就跌倒了,我并没有去往别人脚边冲”
: LBJ补充
: “人们想把Delly安上一个肮脏的罪名,而我认为这是不正确也不对的,
: Delly不是这样的人,不只因为他是我的队友我这样说,他就是打球很认真
: 用尽全力。有时候你们就放大这些play,G2我在空中的时候被人家用两手
: 推下来,但是我们不会去放大这一个play然后想说什么故事出来,但是你
: 知道的,笑”
: ============================
: 心得:
: Delly整个突然红起来....不过平心而论季后赛这三个争议球,
: 两个球他算是被扁的一边 = =,至于KK那球连犯规都算不上,
: 却因为这样被老鹰球员说的恶名昭彰(输球边,可理解)
: 有些人说Delly是小贝型的,但是说实在话,以这三球来看可能也还不到吧?
: 夹Taj的脚我是不知道是什么原因,可能他被一直推一直推很不爽的诡异反击?
: 但是Taj把脚拔开以后又往前踹他不是自找的F2吗?= =
: KK那球让KK报销可能当下没人会料到吧,
: 因为看起来也是个满常见的play,甚至常常看到自己人压到自己人的时候
: 最重要的是联盟也没有因为这球补吹犯规或是T什么鬼的,
: (注:别忘了当时很多人护航的Olynyk之后可是被认证的F2)
: 表示这球是正常的一个篮球范畴的play
: 今天这球就更明显了,Delly是被Al拉到跌倒的,跌倒的时候他碰到了Al
: 的膝盖,但是他马上也用右手撑直了身体,如果肮脏,不是应该顺势
: 往后倒力压也是可以装个无辜?反正是被你Al拉倒的嘛?
: 结果他刚坐直就被Al来个肘击重压击倒,而且重播看起来其实很危险,
: 因为他左手当下完全是一个不自然的姿势被Al整个身体压,他反应快
: 赶快翻身否则搞不好骑士又多一个脱臼的~
: 所以Al这球被判F2的确是有原因的。
: 另外老鹰今天也很多针对Delly的小动作,Delly本来在这系列造成了老鹰
: 一些小麻烦,他黏TT型的防守给了老鹰后卫很大的麻烦。
: 上一场老鹰后对被Delly守时命中率是3/18,其他人守时是8/12。
: 所以老鹰肯定讨厌Delly,Delly能这么黏也是每天练习要防守KI练出来的不意外
: 但是因为他黏就说他脏,还是因为这三个play说他脏,
: 我是认为要有更多证据才能说他是个“有历史”的脏球员。
https://www.facebook.com/whateversport/videos/936376756427375/
来看看专业的球评怎么说吧
Delly或许本身没有恶意,但他打球的习惯十分粗鲁
一般打球强硬归强硬,难免会有争抢,但多多少少会有保护自己跟对手的动作
Delly的争抢动作却往往是给对方两种选择
1.你闪开就没事
2.你不闪开,就要冒着受伤的风险
LBJ虽然常常被粗暴的犯规,但防守方并不会特意去攻击他的腰部以下
Delly自己本身习惯不好,一个季后赛又连续有两三个球员因为你而受伤或是产生纠纷
这已经不是防守黏就可以简单带过去的。
影片很长,但值得花时间一看
作者: jeffery20223 (阿哲)   2015-05-27 12:51:00
同意,打33有时也会遇到
作者: sasakihiroto (白狗)   2015-05-27 13:15:00
希望你打球不要被拉然后被肘击 再被骂脏

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