Re: [讨论] VC 雷声大雨点小

楼主: colinh (ColinH)   2014-06-20 14:50:15
虽然Bill Simmons很不喜欢Vince Carter
不过Grantland上面有一篇Zach Lowe在2012帮Vince Carter辩护的文章
尽管他知道VC过去有许多风风雨雨, 但是他还是认为VC将来应该进入名人堂
他的理由:NBA当时(2012,12月)只有13个球员拿到23000分, 5000篮板, 4000助攻,
其中11个进了名人堂, 另外两个还没进的叫KG和Kobe,
而VC,Ray Allen,Paul Pierce应该会是14-16个 (现在都超过了 LBJ也达到了),
不出意外的话,VC以外几位应该都会进名人堂
另外, 如果喜欢正负分的算法, VC在场上的时候通常球队的进攻更有效率,
而且球队防守端他在场上和在板凳上都维持在相同的等级
http://ppt.cc/2NgV (以Win Shares排序VC是17个里面第二低的就是了)
如果是限定22000分, 5000篮板, 4000助攻以上的球员还会加上滑翔机Clyde Drexler
另外, VC那届第一轮选秀以及他后面两届的第一轮, 总共87名球员,
2012年底时只有21名还在打NBA, 而VC在小牛板凳还是持续可以打出令人吃惊的表现
即使在小牛第一年(2011-12)还是有13.57的PER值, 41.1%命中率,
而且竟然可以看到他团队防守做的不错
(之后这两年PER是17.93, 15.99, 命中率43.5%, 40.7%)
In Defense of Vince Carter
http://ppt.cc/a9Zj
节录
Is all of it — the Toronto disgrace, the postseason flops, etc. — enough to
keep him out of the Hall of Fame? It looked like it a year or so ago, when
Carter appeared on his way out with career numbers that were very nice, but
that did not quite confer Springfield lock status upon him. But he’s
averaging 13 per game now, shooting 42 percent from deep, and playing
legitimately solid defense. He’ll at least approach 22,000 career points
this season, and with a guaranteed deal for next season, he has a shot to
reach 23,000 if he stays healthy. Only 13 players in NBA/ABA history have
eclipsed 22,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, and 4,000 assists; Carter, Ray Allen,
and Paul Pierce will make it 16 shortly, and a few others — Clyde Drexler,
Gary Payton, Larry Bird — barely missed. Eleven of those 13 players are in
the Hall of Fame, and the other two are Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant. There
is obviously some major cherry-picking involved in selecting those numbers;
Carter will barely make the rebound and assist totals, while several players,
including Dirk Nowitzki, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Patrick Ewing, have blown away
the 22,000/5,000 feat by a wide margin while falling short on the dimes.
Still, the numbers are impressive, and if you like plus/minus stuff, Carter’
s teams have usually scored much more efficiently with him on the floor —
and defended at about the same level with him on the floor as on the bench.
Numbers aren’t everything; that’s why Antawn Jamison, a horrid defender for
much of his career, is unlikely to get in. Carter has long had the counting
stats and regular-season numbers. It was the other stuff that had fans,
players, and media members justifiably holding their noses when it came to
Carter’s Hall candidacy.
And that’s fair. Carter has earned that skepticism. But that shouldn’t
blind us to a fun little late-career evolution happening in Dallas — the
kind of evolution a lot of players never figure out. Only 21 of the 87
first-rounders in Carter’s draft class and the subsequent two are even
active in the league. Carter is still surprising us.
作者: RodrigueZ810 (装小维)   2014-06-20 14:57:00
印象中PER值定义15是联盟平均等级的球员..

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