Re: [情报] 2015 MLB 金手套得奖名单live

楼主: abc12812   2015-11-11 11:22:26
※ 引述《kenny781558 ()》之铭言:
: 以上增加了FanGraph校正UZR进阶守备数据和该联盟排名
: 能上排名都是有到一定的防守局数
: 有些人说GG就是完全靠印象分数
: 的确也像是Hosmer明明分数超低还得奖的例子
: 但整体看下来
: 不难看出某些投票者已经开始有防守考虑进阶数据
: 虽然有许多得奖者的Def都不是第一
: 但大多数都在前五之内,甚至第一的也不在少数(尤其外野)
: Cespedes的数据就是打脸许多乡民的印象分数?
: (到底是乡民靠印象分数还是投票者靠印象分数)
: 虽然Simmons还是一样高居第一,但和Crawford的差距也没有想像中的大
: 因此当乡民继续说GG就是靠印象分数、名气来评选(虽然NP和名气多少有加分效果)
: 是否要修正一下这样的言论?
金手套奖从2013年以后的评比方式就已经变了 加入25%的进阶数据考量
还以为金手套就是完全印象派的需要更新一下资讯了
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/63344480/
The voting was slightly altered this year. Since its inception in 1957, the
Gold Glove has relied solely on votes by Major League managers and coaches to
determine the best defensive players. Managers and coaches got an assist this
year from the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR), and for the
first time, Rawlings collaborated with SABR to formally incorporate
sabermetrics as a component in determining winners.
A committee of experts in baseball analytics and defensive measurement
devised the SABR Defensive Index (SDI), which draws on and aggregates two
types of existing defensive metrics: those derived from batted balls,
location-based data and those collected from play-by-play accounts.
The three metrics representing batted-ball data include defensive runs saved
(from Baseball Info Solutions), ultimate zone rating (developed by
sabermetician Mitchel Lichtman) and runs effectively defended (created by
SABR's Chris Dial).
The two metrics included in the SDI from play-by-play data are defensive
regression analysis, created by committee member Michael Humphreys, and total
zone rating.
The plan, according to Rawlings and SABR, is to have the SDI complement the
judgment of the managers and coaches. The SABR Defensive Index will account
for 30 total votes
作者: fountainNess (秋本平吉千人将)   2015-11-11 11:23:00
推XD
作者: ChrisDavis (工业电风扇)   2015-11-11 11:51:00
应该是不会发生Palmeiro的案子XD
作者: mayfirst0501 (チン)   2015-11-11 11:56:00
Palmeiro是指当年担任DH场次超多的那次吗?
作者: kenny781558   2015-11-11 11:56:00
原来如此 感谢abc提供资讯佐证abc大
作者: todd7622 (状态显示为脑筋僵化)   2015-11-11 12:16:00
不过实际操作面又是另一回事了
作者: charlie01   2015-11-11 13:12:00
GG就是各队教练团选的 所以实际上所谓的“靠印象”之说其实就是在酸MLB的总A和教练们不懂棒球(防守)并不是乡民们最爱批斗的记者或其他乡民当然总A也许也不代表什么 但我总觉得要开酸或以印象派三个字概括前 至少应该都对这件事有清楚的认知更何况就算防守数据本身都是还没发展成熟的东西
作者: todd7622 (状态显示为脑筋僵化)   2015-11-11 13:27:00
进阶防守数据最大的盲点:无法显示出团队合作的重要性不同于投打,防守并不是把9个能力最好的防守员摆在场上就能呈现出最好的效果接传那些都还是基本配备,沟通、跑位和补位同等重要
作者: udm   2015-11-11 13:38:00
因为Jeter退休了 XD
作者: kenny781558   2015-11-11 14:08:00
延续Todd大 还有就是无显示近年的移防的效果
作者: KKyosuke (春日恭介)   2015-11-11 15:36:00
因为正常来说总A跟教练根本不太会去看别队选手的表现(尤其还是防守表现) 一年可能就碰个几次面而已所以一向被认为很吃名气分数啊...

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