[外电] 洋基队考虑9月实行6人轮值

楼主: phairst (我爱短腿玲)   2014-08-23 14:45:38
Yanks eye expanded rotation for September — and maybe beyond
By Joel ShermanAugust
The Yankees have a puzzle. They have huge investments and equal-size physical
concerns in their rotation.
What to do?
Pitching coach Larry Rothschild told The Post the Yankees are strongly
considering a six-man rotation for September and that it could serve as a
precursor for doing it on a longer and larger scale in 2015.
Rothschild cautioned that you have to be able to find enough starters to make
a six-man rotation feasible and that upper management would have to buy in.
And general manager Brian Cashman said that aside from “talking about it” a
bit, the organization is not committed to the concept in the short- or
long-term. At least not yet.
However, Rothschild was passionate about trying. “Absolutely” was the word
he used to describe if he was serious about attempting this. And not just
because myopically he has to figure out how to get the best out of Masahiro
Tanaka and Michael Pineda in September and that duo plus CC Sabathia and,
perhaps, Ivan Nova next year. But because he sees the epidemic of pitching
injuries, particularly the need for Tommy John surgeries, Rothschild says, “
I think people are going to have to look at a lot of alternatives.”
Obviously, there are folks still bemoaning the move from four- to five-man
rotations. But we are where we are and we are not going back. More guys throw
harder than ever before and more guys break down. The cost in days, dollars
and playoff chances lost are large. The organizations that figure out how to
keep their starters healthy are going to be king.
Consider that 10 teams have used eight or fewer starters this year. All 10
are over .500 and five of the six division leaders have used seven or fewer
starters. The average is nine per team, with the Rockies at a major
league-high 15 and the Yanks tied for fourth at 12.
Amazingly, the Yankees have not been sunk by their rotation. However, Cashman
said, if this season were played out 100 times, the Yankees would not have
solved their starting pitching problems in a large majority of them. I am not
sure. Pitching is better. Hitting is worse. Thus, I believe you can create
some starting pitching depth more readily than in the past. But is there a
way to keep key guys healthy? Will starting 26-28 times a season and getting
extra rest be better than starting 32-34 times in a five-man rotation?
I am not sure. But I believe it is worth a try and the Yanks are in perfect
position to open this laboratory, especially once rosters expand and they
have extra relievers in September. On Sept. 2, they begin a phase of 21 games
in 20 days. They also hope that during that period they will work Tanaka back
into the rotation. His dubious elbow, Pineda’s problematic shoulder and
Hiroki Kuroda’s age give them reason to try to provide extra rest.
For next season, taking the huge assumptions Tanaka does not need Tommy John
surgery and Sabathia can return from knee surgery, the Yankees have that duo
plus Pineda, Shane Greene and, perhaps, a re-signed Brandon McCarthy. That is
five. David Phelps and Adam Warren could vie for a sixth spot, at least until
Nova returns from Tommy John surgery or Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos or
Bryan Mitchell proves ready.
Remember, in Japan most teams have off days each Monday, so starters pitch
once a week. During the All-Star festivities, Rangers ace Yu Darvish said MLB
teams should shift to six-man rotations to replicate the once-a-week style
and take stress off elbows. Subsequently, Darvish was shut down with elbow
inflammation.
Can you convince pitchers with bulldog mentalities (like Sabathia) to pitch
in a six-man rotation? Because a six-man rotation likely would mean a six-man
pen (rather than seven), a team trying this would need players with options
so that they could move relievers, primarily, on and off the roster as
needed. As with any new attempt in a game of tradition, there will be
criticism, unintended consequences and expected bumps. Still, at least for
September, the Yankees should open this lab to see what it looks like,
particularly because they have Tanaka and Sabathia signed, potentially,
through 2020 and 2017, respectively.
“No doubt, you have to see how all the pieces fit,” Rothschild said. “But
I think it is something you have to take a look at.”
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洋基投手教练Larry Rothschild强烈考虑在9月实行6人轮值,甚至当作明年实行6人
轮值的前导.但是GM Brian Cashman说至少目前尚未决定.Rothschild也说要这样做
必须要有足够的投手高层才会买帐.
以下是个人想法:
洋基今年深受SP受伤所苦,改成6人轮值让SP多休一天是否会改善这个状况?要多一个
SP代表牛棚或是野手名单就会少一个人,因为可以多休一天,提高SP的投球数由100球
到120球是可以减轻牛棚的负担,但是这就会增加失分的机率,外加上第6号SP的压制力
更差,真的有单一球队愿意这么做吗?除非有人先试验,然后发现前几号SP因为多休一
天受伤机率减小外,也表现得更勇猛,这样才会有其他球队效法吧?
其实我觉得多一个SP对联盟比赛精采性或许也有帮助,最近投手越来越强,让打击可以
多得点分又可以保护投手,似乎也不错~
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 14:46:00
果然有人把达尔的话听进去了XD五人轮值对长远发展不见得是好事情
作者: Mory36 (Mory)   2014-08-23 14:52:00
把前几号的场次分给6号投 会不会球队爆更惨XDDD
作者: mott (关怀弱势从心开始)   2014-08-23 14:55:00
这样可以让小联盟某些投手有机会出头天其实就把25人改成28人给小联盟选手机会说不定更好
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2014-08-23 14:56:00
不如跟联盟高层反应把25人名单扩编吧
作者: jojo2147 (d(_._)b)   2014-08-23 15:05:00
改登录人数满合理的,近代一直受伤
作者: anthony0323 (Anthony Chen)   2014-08-23 15:06:00
要不是田中爆炸也不会想到这些...
作者: st6012 (高町疾风)   2014-08-23 15:10:00
近代投手球速越来越快 受伤风险当然相对也提高许多
作者: cacac (就这样吧)   2014-08-23 15:11:00
25人名单是美国说改就能改的吗
作者: st6012 (高町疾风)   2014-08-23 15:11:00
只不过对球队来讲 王牌投手能上的场数就会少5~6场
作者: cacac (就这样吧)   2014-08-23 15:12:00
不过用球数可以增加
作者: st6012 (高町疾风)   2014-08-23 15:15:00
然后很多球队5号都已经是可有可无了 何况再生个6号出来
作者: secom ( )   2014-08-23 15:28:00
那如果6人轮值ACE受伤了怎么办? 维持更弱的6人轮值吗?6人轮值等于是1年要有二十几场要给最弱的先发
作者: TokyoHard (东京难)   2014-08-23 15:38:00
也没那么多吧.毕竟有时会off
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 15:38:00
我也赞成28人名单 25人实在太少
作者: TokyoHard (东京难)   2014-08-23 15:39:00
也许几十年后,讲五人轮值还会被人家笑是杀猪公,等著看
作者: st6012 (高町疾风)   2014-08-23 15:42:00
不过老实讲 这点对每支球队都一样 还是比谁战力强
作者: ClutchShot (ClutchShot)   2014-08-23 15:55:00
增加6号先发不如扩充25人名单让可用的RP增加吧 维持投一休四王牌才能更多上场 找堪用的RP也比SP简单一些或许可以让教练少烧一点手臂 用球数不用那么多
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 16:00:00
你没有六号 先发还是操阿xd六号+28人
作者: gemboy (沉默的双子小孩)   2014-08-23 16:01:00
有人长期研究追踪mlb和jpn先发模式受伤机会吗?不然也是印象派吧
作者: ClutchShot (ClutchShot)   2014-08-23 16:01:00
投一休四应该不是问题 是用球数的问题 可以用多一点RP来cover阿 5号SP都不太堪用了 30队都用6人轮值行吗
作者: gemboy (沉默的双子小孩)   2014-08-23 16:04:00
研究mlb和jpn先发模式受伤机会应该可以写成论文了
作者: Hungry (你今天饿了吗?)   2014-08-23 16:04:00
有办法证明120球投一休五跟100球投一休四的受伤机率吗?否则是以什么为前提来讨论
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2014-08-23 16:07:00
想知道120球投一休五比较不容易受伤的来源+1
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 16:09:00
你投一休四 就算场上局数少 场下也还是要练投 如果持续有在先发 还不如多休一天虽然休太久也容易受伤 但五天应该不会有休太久的问题
作者: ecs01643   2014-08-23 16:13:00
6人没什么阿 洛矶之前不是有阵子4人轮值
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 16:15:00
不过遇到赛程不密集的时候 牛棚日可能就无法避免了
作者: DLCSEA (类钻之海)   2014-08-23 16:37:00
6人轮值 王牌上场场次减少 但若实验成功 总比王牌受伤也许一整年都上不了场好吧 当然这一切也都只是猜想而已
作者: asd25 (别闹了)   2014-08-23 16:39:00
没意义 会受伤就是会受伤 又没刻意去操
作者: st6012 (高町疾风)   2014-08-23 16:43:00
这问题在要不要变 和有没有人试过和实际测过而已
楼主: phairst (我爱短腿玲)   2014-08-23 16:45:00
120球休五天跟100球休四天 受伤机率的研究还未有定论吧两个联盟也没有两种轮值方式都实验过MLB和NPB就是因为这一年投手开TJ的个案有点多所以才会有要不要试试看六人轮值的声音 看会不会比较好这种case 不实际试试看也很难有什么研究可以定论
作者: pablo1126 (没有钱赚 却被叫赚哥)   2014-08-23 16:52:00
会受伤就的就是会受伤? 无意义? 神逻辑?连试都不试XD
作者: Apolina ( )   2014-08-23 16:58:00
我不认为25人名单会有6号SP占著的空间~洋基会想尝试~也只是因为9月有40人名单可以运用再加上~目前洋基并没有很明确谁是Ace,多休一天也无妨
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2014-08-23 17:02:00
有人没试过就知道结论也很厉害干脆7个投手 一次投150球好了
作者: lwifbf (耍冰小白)   2014-08-23 17:19:00
洋基居然变成实验新观念的球队 这样就不豪门了 哀哀
作者: asd25 (别闹了)   2014-08-23 17:45:00
更别说SP不好养 第五号通常是炸弹 变六人轮值不就变2个炸弹
作者: CKHzz   2014-08-23 18:00:00
会受伤就是会受伤??? 根本神逻辑
作者: sonnyissonny (sonny)   2014-08-23 18:11:00
这算达尔教信徒吗?~@@
作者: blackdevil (过了︿︿)   2014-08-23 18:12:00
多个不太能吃长局数的6号还不是让牛棚累
作者: DerekJeter02 (Captain Clutch)   2014-08-23 18:12:00
美国要改很简单吧 你当人家也是草创野球?
作者: ocean11 (深海)   2014-08-23 18:34:00
9月扩编才能这样玩吧
作者: abc06 (阿咧)   2014-08-23 18:38:00
不是不可能增加 想想上古时代是一人轮值甚至三人轮值
作者: a2156700 (斯坦福桥)   2014-08-23 18:41:00
干脆先从小联盟开始实验好了
作者: aganqq (aganqq)   2014-08-23 20:06:00
那洋基顺便把达尔也买下来吧
作者: roxiang (天空之城)   2014-08-23 20:28:00
其实达尔没入札金只算合约根本超划算超便宜的好吗....
作者: k33536 (是什么?)   2014-08-23 20:28:00
道奇队:
作者: Atropos0723 (Atropos)   2014-08-23 21:05:00
我是觉得6号让小联盟新秀轮替会不会比较好
作者: Guerrieri (Taylor)   2014-08-23 21:06:00
我觉得可以让垫底球队试试看 不合就改回来吧
作者: secom ( )   2014-08-23 21:18:00
这种东西没试个一二十年能有解答吗?
作者: rockyue (...)   2014-08-23 21:40:00
可能是为了田中
作者: epw (Epw)   2014-08-23 21:59:00
洋基牛棚都抖抖了还玩六人轮值.......认真的?
作者: koil (雞兔哥)   2014-08-24 00:18:00
真的这样田中明年25WOL
作者: c871111116 (废文死北七)   2014-08-24 00:56:00
洋基从哪边找六个人来轮值......
作者: a91003 (大便绿)   2014-08-24 01:09:00
想想看两队6号先发的对决!!!一想到这牛棚就要挫咧但了...
作者: Scape (non)   2014-08-24 10:28:00
洋基的牛棚哪里抖了。另外如果六人轮值也是现在轮值+田中以目前洋基轮值的表现,在加上一个田中,这样很差吗?尤其是McCarthy到了洋基后根本赛扬上身
作者: taiwangayu (FUCK KMT)   2014-08-24 12:30:00
六人轮值会不会造成:投手价值对比野手再次下降?
作者: super009   2014-08-24 18:27:00
近代本来就已经趋向坚守固定五人轮值 除非有必要场合已经很少因为ACE级的耐操获胜率高就刻意让他多上

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