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DM24Tim (carpe diem)
2014-03-28 05:37:53Rangers-ex Nolan Ryan still believes pitch counts are hurting arms
In an article published over the weekend in the New York Daily News, Nolan
Ryan was interviewed about why many of today's big-name pitchers are having
Tommy John surgery. As Texas fans would expect from watching his approach to
pitching as the Rangers president, Ryan, now with the Astros, blames stamina
for many arm problems.
“It’s because pitchers simply don’t throw as much as we did,” Ryan
replied. “That’s the real issue here. When I pitched, we pitched every
fourth day and guys would pitch 300 innings and it wasn’t considered a big
deal. If you don’t get on the mound and develop stamina, you’re risking
injury. This whole thing with the 100-pitch count limit — I have a real
problem with that. Pitchers are all different and when you put standard
limitations on them, you’re not utilizing their talent.”
Ryan's theory has support from Tommy John. The namesake of the elbow ligament
transplant surgery many star pitchers are getting, John believed that
reducing today's pitching workload isn't doing any current hurlers any favors
and is critical of those who still believe it.
“I absolutely agree with Nolan that more is better,” John said in the
article. “Years ago, I’d have gone along with the thinking that there’s
only so many bullets in your arm. But we’ve ‘dumbed down’ our thinking
today to believing that pitch counts and innings limitations are the way to
go to preserve arms. Starting in 1975 with the White Sox, when Johnny Sain
was my pitching coach, I would throw six days a week out of seven and it was
the best my arm ever felt. For the next 13 years, I never missed a start,
except once when I had the flu."
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Nolan Ryan:我们以前投一休三 一年投300局都没事
现在投手就是因为投球数限制 所以体力太差了
这根本浪费了投手的才能
Tommy John也认为保护投手反而害了他们 同意Ryan说的 投越多越好
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qlz (())
2014-03-28 05:41:00Tommy John难道希望每个投手都去接受以他为名的手术?
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secpeda (secpeda)
2014-03-28 05:50:00美国郭泰源
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EEERRIICC (大尾é¯è›‡)
2014-03-28 06:41:00天生神力的在那边说人家天分不构
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micotosai (日本语が半人前の俺様)
2014-03-28 06:44:00跟王贞治一样的思维呀,把自己投射到别人你以为超人满天飞呀?
作者: cacoi (靠邀!图咧!) 2014-03-28 07:40:00
花钱请投手受伤对双方都不好吧
作者: ps20012001 (开始想明年新计画) 2014-03-28 07:55:00
XDDDD... 这句话让他说 怎么都觉得怪怪的...
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toya123 (雷姆在我床上 闭嘴)
2014-03-28 08:25:00XDD台日思维领先全球阿
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jojo2147 (d(_._)b)
2014-03-28 08:31:00会不会以前是为了投多所以每次丢球的手臂压力都相对小一
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jojo2147 (d(_._)b)
2014-03-28 08:32:00些? 现在单次投掷强度都太强才容易受伤?
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kimania (K亚司)
2014-03-28 08:35:00楼上~如果投轻一点不会被打爆谁不想投轻一点?
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sulaIX (国(ㄧㄥˊ)球=假球)
2014-03-28 09:17:00肩膀会痛是血路不通,多投几球就通了
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mrkey (è·é›¢å¤ªé æ€å¿µå¤ªè¿‘)
2014-03-28 09:17:00不过先别说 Ryan, 其实过去的确是比较多 200 innings pitche
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mrkey (è·é›¢å¤ªé æ€å¿µå¤ªè¿‘)
2014-03-28 09:18:00去年 200+ IP 只有36, 前年 31. 但是70年代, 这个数字是
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corlos (ナニソレ、イミワカンナ)
2014-03-28 09:19:00美国郭泰源
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mrkey (è·é›¢å¤ªé æ€å¿µå¤ªè¿‘)
2014-03-28 09:19:00"平均" 60+
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mrkey (è·é›¢å¤ªé æ€å¿µå¤ªè¿‘)
2014-03-28 09:20:00Ryan这样放声的确有点不知他脑筋在想啥
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mrkey (è·é›¢å¤ªé æ€å¿µå¤ªè¿‘)
2014-03-28 09:21:00但这几年200+ inn. hurler 像 Buehrle 这种咖
Pud Galvin 1883-84连续两年丢了几乎一千三百局
唔 认真的说还是和每个时代的演进有关啦70s是投手年代 那时候一队轮值也只有四人
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imgay5566 (★中国第一乐队★五毛天)
2014-03-28 09:55:00美国郭泰源 中职领先业界20年
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Fezico (尬广跟上)
2014-03-28 10:23:00我记得当初SALE也有讨论这个问题。
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Fezico (尬广跟上)
2014-03-28 10:24:00不过关皮也讲过投手哪时候会炸掉谁也不知道
作者: hippobear (河马熊) 2014-03-28 10:39:00
近代打者也变强了 投手每球所花的体力也增加
作者: phrita ( ) 2014-03-28 10:57:00
越投越殆尽
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lukehong (有æ¤ä¸€èªª)
2014-03-28 12:03:00他们当GM真的敢只排4个SP全部拼完投?
作者: kkk123 (kkk) 2014-03-28 12:12:00
简单啊 这又没硬性规定 以后游骑兵的投手一年就三百局
作者: purplebfly (紫翔) 2014-03-28 12:18:00
有投球限制后,还不是一堆名投也爆掉
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Carmelo3 ( 六甲おろし)
2014-03-28 12:40:00要投到连疼痛都怕你
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ccl007 (.......)
2014-03-28 13:32:00很简单 去找MLB球队来实验看看 拿冠军就是你的理论获胜
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vg175 (éžå…¸åž‹å»¢è¨€)
2014-03-28 13:55:00Ryan已经离开条子了 太空人的投手要自求多福 Rodon挫咧蛋
作者: r90009 (3345678) 2014-03-28 14:06:00
CPBL > MLB
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borriss (松)
2014-03-28 15:22:00现在重选球跟上垒率后 100球换的局数是不是有变短啊?
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JackSmith (梦对我来说是陌生的名词)
2014-03-28 16:05:00现在的环境跟以前不一样了,以前都重视打击率,但现在除了打击,也很重视上垒率,所以投手要耗的球数就更多
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lmja 2014-03-28 17:27:00原来米国也有还没上太空而在继续杀猪公的
观念本来就一定会有不同派别 投球数是随着时间发展比较
客观容易的评估方式了 受伤原因百百种 好的教练本就不该只懂得计算投球数 投球机制 休息日的训练菜单 很多东
西的细节都可以去深入探讨 但现代棒球真的跟以前不同
投不到300局不是因为怕受伤吧 还没投到就被打爆啦 = =
作者: MessiWang 2014-03-28 18:39:00
因为薪资越来越高 老板越来越宝阿
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borriss (松)
2014-03-28 19:43:00之前爱砲这的morris也是 第9局/9月 反而更威
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burdette (å°ç†Šä»Šå¹´å¾—å† è»)
2014-03-29 01:55:00郭泰源表示:想当年我单日投17局 中间只休30分钟
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burdette (å°ç†Šä»Šå¹´å¾—å† è»)
2014-03-29 01:56:00太远的不说 今年刚入名人堂的那两位也都很耐操
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burdette (å°ç†Šä»Šå¹´å¾—å† è»)
2014-03-29 01:57:00Maddux年轻时有连续四年超过260局 后来因为罢工而中止
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krajicek (回忆比真实精彩)
2014-03-29 09:43:00连Ryan也这样讲,跟郭总一样的思维耶
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zunino (纯情张飞俏典韦)
2014-03-29 10:47:00德州特快车喔~喔喔~喔喔
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kuyung (无敌暴龙)
2014-03-29 13:46:00媒体去访问那些因为局数太多被操坏的 看看他们怎么说阿访问耐操的当然这么说...
作者: lordi (Semper Fidelis) 2014-03-29 18:31:00
美国郭泰源