[情报] 是否该废除选秀?

楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 02:26:52
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All sports drafts are scams, more or less. No computer engineer right out of
Carnegie Mellon has to go straight to a job at Comcast for a predetermined
salary. Electronic Arts representatives aren't lurking the halls of
Northwestern with charts and craniometers. The concept is absurd on its face,
and just as absurd when applied to young athletes.
What makes Major League Baseball's draft, which takes place in two weeks,
especially ridiculous is that in addition to being clearly unjust, it's also
inefficient. Drafting is no exact science in basketball or football, but at
least in those sports the top amateur talents are both readily identified and
actually available. Eight of the top 10 finishers in this year's NBA Most
Valuable Player voting were top-five draft picks overall, for example, and
Marc Gasol and Tony Parker, who weren't, were both special cases.
Of the 28 players who placed in the top 10 in last year's baseball MVP voting
or top five in Cy Young voting, though, a little more than half were
first-round picks. Eight were originally signed as amateur free agents,
meaning they weren't subject to the draft at all. The draft isn't a lottery,
but it's closer than it should be given that its nominal purpose is to
distribute the best talent to the worst teams.
One sign of this randomness is the way expected returns flatten out through
the draft. This year, the Mets, who were lousy last year, have the 11th
overall pick, while the Yankees, who were very good, have the 26th. If the
draft worked as it's supposed to, you'd expect that the Mets' pick would be
substantially more valuable, based on historical data.
That isn't even close to being true, though. Players picked 11th overall
between 1965 and 2005 (those picked since haven't necessarily had an
opportunity to show what they can do in the majors) have been worth an
average of 2.93 "wins" over the course of their careers, according to
Baseball-Reference.com. Those picked 26th have been worth an average of 3.02.
The earlier picks were at least a bit more likely to make the majors—28 did
so, as opposed to 20 of those picked later—but they weren't any more likely
to be really useful. (Four of them were worth at least 15 wins in their
careers, while three of the later picks did.) The best player taken in either
spot, the great Detroit shortstop Alan Trammell, was a 26th overall pick, and
he was worth more by himself than the three best 11th picks combined. That
will change before long, given that Pittsburgh's Andrew McCutchen, who was
taken 11th, is just at the start of his prime, but still.
Even more striking than the distribution, though, is the absolute level of
talent. Three wins, a reasonable expectation for what this year's Mets and
Yankees first-rounders will do in their careers, is about the value a decent
and unexceptional player like Daniel Murphy will have in a good year. It's a
really nice hot streak, a misplaced stroke in a ledger. It makes you
appreciate just how rare high-end baseball talent is.
Most of the value of such draft picks comes from the fact that ballplayers
who aren't yet eligible for free agency are paid millions of dollars less
than they're actually worth, so that even a scrub can be a valuable asset.
The rest comes from the small chance that the pick will deliver a player like
McCutchen or Trammell. You could thus say that baseball's draft combines the
worst features of buying scratch-off lotto tickets and attending an
accounting seminar while restricting the ability of young men to choose where
they want to work into the bargain. It's a great deal if you own a ballclub;
for everyone else, not so much.
The final absurdity might be that if you wanted to spread the best talent
around, getting rid of the draft would be a decent way to do it. The eight
amateur free agents who were top MVP or Cy Young finishers last year
originally signed with eight different teams. Only two, Adrian Beltre and
Robinson Cano, signed with teams in rich markets. Allow players to work where
they'd like and some will go for the glamor teams, but some will go for the
ones where they have the best chance to play, or to the towns with the best
weather, or the ones closest to home.
Open markets in talent work just fine in technology, law and soccer, and
they'd work just as well for baseball if anyone would give them a chance.
1. 选秀像乐透 顺位高低和价值没啥关连
2. 业余FA反而更能平均分配天分
3. 选秀给老板压榨小球员 老板爽 其他人则不
4. FA给球员选择豪门 机会多 天气好 或离家近的诱因
5. 自由市场在其他行业运作得很好 只要有机会在棒球也一样行
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2013-05-29 02:34:00
废了Strasburg和Harper大概不是在LA就是在NY
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2013-05-29 02:35:00
顺位高低和价值没啥关连是球探要努力的吧
作者: tonyselina (叫声拔拔)   2013-05-29 02:36:00
abc每日夜钓台,我才不会咬呢!
作者: lovebulls (love46&51)   2013-05-29 03:13:00
职业运动不是自由市场 第五点就不ok了吧 @@
作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋)   2013-05-29 08:38:00
不过 3 是事实
作者: onime0704 (おにめ)   2013-05-29 08:52:00
3是事实...,看看太空人...XD。
作者: dodohotdog (嘟嘟大热狗)   2013-05-29 08:59:00
其他行业 毕业生找工作 也都 FA 没有选秀啊
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 09:48:00
他没提到一点 职业运动需要均衡各队实力
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 09:49:00
实力不均会不好看 而选秀就是维持刺激度的保障
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 09:50:00
当然不是说齐头式平等 而是要让各队有拉近实力的机会
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 09:53:00
业余FA不会平均分配, 反而是资源集中 现行FA制度就是证据
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 09:55:00
其他行业不用选秀是因为不必平衡实力 强者更强没人有意见
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 09:57:00
楼上请看第二点
作者: jet113102 (传说中的Yi)   2013-05-29 09:58:00
3是事实
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:04:00
我就是针对2 他的论点是给你高选秀权也选的乱七八糟所以不然用FA 但事实是,你在FA一样会签得乱七八糟
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:05:00
你选秀做不好 签FA一样会有问题 代表球团选人根本有问题
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:07:00
他又举一些MVP 但不是高选秀顺位的社会上也一堆大老板不是台大医科毕业阿 所以联考废掉?
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:09:00
选秀是给你机会选 talent, 你选不好是你智障
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:10:00
至于你选的talent后来发展如何,这是造化 只有神知道
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:23:00
他用MPV或赛扬奖的人大多是FA来论证根本跳tone
作者: lynked (左手不只是辅助而已)   2013-05-29 10:24:00
赌客老是压错宝,所以要怪赌场下注法不对?
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:27:00
文章是说从历史看来 11顺位价值比26顺位还低 所以选秀
作者: lynked (左手不只是辅助而已)   2013-05-29 10:27:00
至于3应该要检讨的是FA制度(缩短廉价劳工时间?)不是怪选秀
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:28:00
完全没说明星大多从FA来
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:29:00
举FA是说从业余FA来的大物 和豪门签约的只有两位
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2013-05-29 10:29:00
我是觉得取样也有偏差 为何只算11跟26顺位的?
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:30:00
并无大家想像中的豪门垄断的情况
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2013-05-29 10:30:00
真要检讨选秀是不是没补偿 应该去算每个顺位 而不是单举
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2013-05-29 10:31:00
一个11跟26顺位的例子(说服力不够)
作者: birdy590 (Birdy)   2013-05-29 10:34:00
1 根本就是胡扯 球员养成本来就难 前段难养后段只会更难
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:48:00
举MVP候选人只有两个跟豪门签约 论证FA可有效分配talent这逻辑根本让其气愤
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:49:00
第一 FA跟分配talent无关 跟球团财力有关
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:52:00
第二 豪门无法签下MVP前10名 不代表无法签下新秀前10名
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 10:53:00
8个从自由球员市场中签下来的人是因为他们本来就是IFA像King Felix或Miggy这种的 他们如果是美国人也绝对是首轮选秀- - 拿他们来说FA比较能找到talent根本胡扯
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:54:00
第三 高顺位未必高成就这是新秀养成风险跟不确定性
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:56:00
为了避免这种不确定性所以索性废掉选秀?? 最终爽到资方?
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:56:00
他是说FA能"分配" 不是说FA能"找" 肥卡布可是跟马林鱼签
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 10:57:00
那也是他们的海外球探系统好 而且愿意赌一把
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:57:00
举个例来说好了 年资到的FA会跟马林鱼签吗? 大概不太会
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:58:00
可能诱因就高于豪门
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 10:59:00
这样的球员如果出现在选秀上还是很有机会在乐透区中选
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 10:59:00
plus 肥卡布当初是超大鱼 签约金1.9M 小市场花这种钱
作者: watertip (watertip)   2013-05-29 10:59:00
但我觉得money的诱因应该高于一切 而且高不少
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 11:00:00
小市场花在选秀上也不会吝啬啊
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 11:01:00
同样是马林鱼 Yelich的签约金是1.7M 也不低了Jose Fernandez则是2M
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 11:02:00
因为业余FA所需投入资本远小于FA 所以这方面大大降低了财力面的不均衡
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-29 11:03:00
IFA要比较的对象是选秀不是自由球员的FA啊
楼主: abc12812   2013-05-29 11:04:00
我是给上面对豪门垄断有疑虑的解释
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2013-05-29 11:09:00
确实小于 但有钱的也可以多出
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2013-05-29 11:12:00
以前IFA有被NY垄断吗?
作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋)   2013-05-29 11:21:00
唬烂护航不用钱, 欧洲运动没有人在选秀的为什么还是这么好看这么多人看, 要用选秀才能无法平衡实力不就代表某些
作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋)   2013-05-29 11:22:00
老板根本不够格和其他人竞争, 非要保护才能生存
作者: nolander (自己国家自己救)   2013-05-29 11:54:00
好有趣
作者: rex73723 (柏)   2013-05-29 11:55:00
洋基给了多少,写这篇文章?
作者: maikxz (超级痛痛人)   2013-05-29 12:58:00
欧洲足坛财务出问题的其实蛮多的耶...
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2013-05-29 12:59:00
有人考虑到小联盟的roster filler吗
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2013-05-29 13:00:00
欧洲足球没有其他东西可以竞争 好呗
作者: niravaabhas (挨滴货)   2013-05-29 13:05:00
如果是举欧洲足坛要来说服这篇 我想是搞错了...
作者: niravaabhas (挨滴货)   2013-05-29 13:06:00
西甲现在根本就皇马跟巴塞在玩 英超就那些豪门抢冠军多数国家职业联盟的冠军几乎都是垄断状态= =
作者: uranusjr (←這人是超級笨蛋)   2013-05-29 14:13:00
冠军垄断又如何?其他人好像球迷也少不到哪里去啊?靠战绩球迷才能存活这种事情本来就不应该是正道吧
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2013-05-29 14:18:00
拿欧洲足球出来讲是满有趣的.....完全不同的怎么比
作者: maikxz (超级痛痛人)   2013-05-29 14:51:00
财力出问题还是被打趴啊 且会降级 收入更惨 lol
作者: TsaiTao (菜逃)   2013-05-29 18:36:00
本文论点不敢苟同,给箭头
作者: hollowland (顛倒鐘)   2013-05-29 18:43:00
不靠战绩球迷存活不然靠什么..? 救济金吗
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2013-05-29 19:27:00
只靠战绩养球迷海盗太空人早就不排除解散了
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2013-05-29 19:29:00
26顺位比11价值更高就是因为26这顺位有钱球团比例高啊
作者: zxc10969 ( )   2013-05-29 21:48:00
应该看战绩,越烂的抽越多支这样才好玩阿!!!

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