[外电] 失速的R.A. Dickey

楼主: p86506 (Live Forever!)   2013-05-15 00:38:47
重点整理:
1. 蝴蝶球在物理上其实不会漂移(左右)多少,"跳舞"的蝴蝶球也许是我们自己的想像
2. 根据Nathan教授的研究,蝴蝶球的位移与速度是负相关
意思是当你有快速的蝴蝶球,例如Dickey,你的控球也许越好
3. Dickey的蝴蝶球速在今年比往年掉了2Mph以上
而他的蝴蝶球挥空率仍然保持良好的数字,
但保送率却是两倍,意味蝴蝶球的失速对他的控球造成影响
4. Dickey满身是伤,可能就是失速的主因
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/r-a-dickeys-lost-velocity/
失速的R.A. Dickey
Knuckleballers aren’t like other pitchers, or so the saying goes. Their
pitches flutter like butterflies, they pitch at less than max effort, they don
’t depend on velocity, and they can pitch into their fifties. All of these
things seem true, and yet the more we know about knuckleballers the more they
might actually be more like all the other pitchers out there. So when
38-year-old R.A. Dickey has lost some oomph on his seminal pitch, maybe it
means something, just like it usually does for other pitchers.
投蝴蝶球不同于其他球种,他们不用用尽全力丢,也不在乎速度,甚至可以丢到五十岁。
以上这些陈述看似真实,但当我们越了解蝴蝶球投手,
会发现他们和一般投手比我们想的更类似。
所以当38岁的Dickey在武器球上失去一些球速时,
也许就和其他投手一样出问题了。
First, the fluttering. That might be an optical illusion. R.A. Dickey doesn’
t agree, but scientists and physicists that have studied the path of the
knuckleball agree with Professor Alan Nathan that it behaves ‘generally’
like other pitches. The unpredictability might still be wonderful, but it’s
physically impossible for the ball to break multiple inches in each
direction. The ‘dancing’ might be our minds trying to figure it out.
Next the max effort thing. Dickey said he throws at about 75% of the effort
he spent as a traditional pitcher. So that much may be true when it comes to
rest and recovery.
首先是漂移。
也许Dickey本人不同意,但研究蝴蝶球的物理学家Alan Nathan表示
蝴蝶球的路径和其他球种其实大致上没什么差别。
球的漂移增加不确定性,这听起来很棒
但蝴蝶球在物理上是不可能在左右上飘移多少的(可能只会往下掉)
看起来在"跳舞"的蝴蝶球也许是我们自己的想像。
But it takes effort to put velocity on the ball. And we’ve seen that Dickey’
s ‘fast’ knuckleball is probably the best one in his arsenal. The pitcher
himself told me in an interview last year that he’d been getting more swings
and misses from the fast knuckler. Professor Nathan found that velocity and
movement were negatively correlated for the knuckleball, and it seems that
Dickey’s elite control for a knuckleballer might have been at least
partially due to the velocity on his most important pitch.
再来是用尽全力。
Dickey说他自己大概只用75%的力气在投球,所以手臂恢复比较快应该是真的。
但球速是依赖出力多寡的。
我们都知道Dickey是依赖他的快速蝴蝶球做为武器
他自己也跟我(作者)讲丢快速蝴蝶球可以制造更多的挥棒落空。
Nathan教授表示蝴蝶球的球速与位移是负相关的*,(球速越快位移越少)
所以看来Dickey的最大武器,至少一部份,是来自他蝴蝶球的球速。
Now Dickey’s three-year run of above-average control is in jeopardy. As you
might have guessed, it’s not from a lack of movement. Professor Nathan
plotted the movement this year and last year and found little change. But
perhaps there is still something different about his knucklers this year. His
velocity is down two miles per hour on average.
现在Dickey的RAA陷入危机,
你大概猜到了,这不是因为球的位移变少了。
Nathan教授列出他这两年球的位移,没什么差别,
但他的平均球速掉了2Mph。
*RAA:http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=RAA
Dickey throws a few knuckleballs, and the error bars on his velocity readings
are large. Let’s look at the distribution of his knuckleballs instead of a
straight average. Using three-mile-per-hour buckets, I plotted all of his
knuckleballs from four distinct periods below. The first is pre-breakout
Dickey. The second is 2010-2011 Dickey, who was great but not elite. Then you
have Cy Dickey and this year’s Dickey.
我们直接来看他历年蝴蝶球的球速分布
*图表:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/r-a-dickeys-lost-velocity/dickeyvelocity13c/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/r-a-dickeys-lost-velocity/dickeyvelo13last/
Those purple bars might have a little too much in common with the blue bars
of Dickey’s darker days in baseball. They certainly don’t fit with his Cy
Young year, and in some ways, they don’t even look like the 2010-2011
version. In 2010-2011, 34% of the knuckleballs Dickey threw went faster than
78 mph. In 2012? 47%. And this year he’s been throwing those fast knucklers
16% of the time.
嗯嗯,看出一些差别了吧
看看12年赛杨年的球速,再看看今年的
Dickey’s still getting whiffs this year. His 9.9% whiff rate puts him in the
top 30 among qualified pitchers. But after three years spent walking less
than six percent of the batters he saw, his walk rate is in the double digits
this year. Maybe he has a little lost velocity to blame, since the pitch
should have the least movement and was his go-to pitch in hitter’s counts
last year. And, considering his back and neck problems this year, and his
abdominal and hip and plantar fasciitis issues last year, it may be fair to
ask if his body is robbing him of this velocity.
Dickey还是有很棒的挥空率,今年9.9%可以排在全联盟前30。
但他以往的保送率是6%,今年却暴增到两倍。
也许这不能怪到失速,
因为去年在3坏球时球应该要有最少的位移。(因去年球速快,蝴蝶球位移少)
但在考量他的背伤及颈伤、腹部、髋关节和足底筋膜炎的问题
我们可以合理怀疑他的失速是因为他的健康问题。
Is that too conventional a question to ask of a knuckleballer?
何如?
对蝴蝶球投手够不传统的观点吧?
作者: immortalqq (大牛)   2013-05-15 00:51:00
Dickey投的蝴蝶球类型跟之前老魏那种似乎不太一样
楼主: p86506 (Live Forever!)   2013-05-15 00:52:00
所以我的意思是这篇严重挑战我们原本对蝴蝶球的认知
作者: p09171989 (Panda)   2013-05-15 00:57:00
Dickey的蝴蝶不是可以投到7XMPH
作者: jackmou (哞)   2013-05-15 01:02:00
期待明早的塞杨对决!!
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:33:00
第三段错有点大。蝴蝶球球速跟位移是负相关(球越快
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:34:00
移越少)所以dicky的控球能力部份来自他球够快(跑得少)
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:39:00
你应该有点错读这篇文章
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:48:00
他其实跟Wakefiled讲得没冲突,Dicky跟一般蝴蝶投手不同
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:49:00
是他控球比较好,比较好是因为他球速比较快,现在他BB多X这篇文章的论点是因为他球速慢了
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:50:00
第二段的意思是说蝴蝶球也只会往一个方向掉,虽然不固定
作者: nickyang (肌腱炎者少打字)   2013-05-15 01:51:00
哪个方向,但不会同一个pitch一下左一下右
作者: tswperfect (tsw)   2013-05-15 03:31:00
nathan表示:
作者: dotZu (良牙)   2013-05-15 07:10:00
Dickey 的愤怒蝴蝶球可以投到 80+ 但最近都只有77左右
作者: fluorine (^^)   2013-05-15 09:14:00
Dickey 可怜的地方是 会投蝴蝶球的人不多 所以有问题恐怕
作者: fluorine (^^)   2013-05-15 09:15:00
会修的人也不多
作者: aaron70221 (Freshman)   2013-05-15 09:25:00
找咩居克去修?
作者: jackmou (哞)   2013-05-15 09:28:00
今天6局掉2分 送出10K,似乎也还OK?
作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2013-05-15 09:31:00
Dickey现在最需要的应该是休息吧(养伤)
作者: maikxz (超级痛痛人)   2013-05-15 10:54:00
听起来好像是不管那类型投手 球速只要一掉 成绩也跟着出问题
作者: pejahuang (Peja)   2013-05-15 11:00:00
麦狗阿XD~球速变慢后一样强!
作者: catsondbs (猫仔)   2013-05-15 11:26:00
老磨牙: 球速? 那是什么?
作者: conan805 (^皿^)   2013-05-15 12:00:00
山本昌:球速是啥
作者: o0991758566 (洨马力)   2013-05-15 12:03:00
Joe Nathan?
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-15 12:25:00
麦狗球速变慢后还是变弱啊...............
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2013-05-15 12:26:00
山本昌现在的球速搞不好还比年轻时快
作者: lorence810 (老板我要无糖去冰!)   2013-05-15 13:18:00
Dickey整身是伤QAQ
作者: weed222 (孤单不寂寞)   2013-05-15 14:06:00
梅子的灵气加持.....
作者: danny789 (这其中一定有什么误会)   2013-05-15 15:39:00
今年球速掉2MPH是因为面对的是一位一直接不到球的补手
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   2013-05-15 21:43:00
生田表示:
作者: peanuti (花生)   2013-05-24 15:04:00
有翻译有推 用心~

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