[情报] Nate Silver解释Trout是MVP的原因

楼主: abc12812   2012-11-15 09:23:06
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The argument on Trout’s behalf isn’t all that complicated: he provided the
greater overall contribution to his team. Trout was a much better defensive
player than Cabrera, and a much better base runner. And if Cabrera was the
superior hitter, it wasn’t by nearly as much as the triple crown statistics
might suggest.
很简单 Trout的跑垒和防守大胜 就算Cabrera打击比较好 也顶多只好一些而已
Over all, Trout contributed about 12 additional runs on the basepaths when
compared with an average runner. The bulky Cabrera, by contrast, cost the
Tigers about three runs on the bases.
Trout跑垒多拿12分 Cabrera跑垒少拿3分
One of these systems, Ultimate Zone Rating, estimates that Trout saved the
Angels 11 runs with his defense in the outfield. Cabrera, a clumsy defender
at third base who is more naturally suited to play first base, cost the
Tigers 10 runs with his.
Trout防守多守11分 Cabrera防守多失10分
Between his defense and his base running, therefore, Trout was about 35 runs
more valuable to the Angels than Cabrera was to the Tigers. By contrast, the
14 additional home runs that Cabrera hit (44 against Trout’s 30) were worth
about 22 extra runs for the Tigers, based on measures that convert players’
contributions to a common scale.
Trout在防守和跑垒上领先35分 Cabrera多的14轰大约只值22分
Angel Stadium is shallower in straight center field, making up for much of
the difference, but since most of Cabrera’s home runs came to the power
alleys, playing in Anaheim would likely have hurt his statistics on balance.
Trout, who hits to all fields, is less sensitive to his ballpark, and had
slightly better overall numbers than Cabrera in road games.
天使球场比老虎球场难打击很多 客场打击数据Trout比Cabrera略好
But much of the difference simply reflects the fact that Cabrera hits third
in the batting order, and had more opportunities to hit with runners on base.
His 89 R.B.I.’s with runners in scoring position came in 205 plate
appearances, a rate of 0.43 R.B.I.’s per opportunity. Trout’s 53 R.B.I.’s
came in just 135 opportunities, since he is the Angels’ leadoff hitter. That
yields a similar rate of production: 0.39 R.B.I.’s per plate appearance with
runners in scoring position.
两个人的打点有差 但修正RISP的机会后 两人的打点率大约都是0.39RBI/RISP
In fact, there are now systems, like Win Probability Added, that measure all
aspects of clutch performance in a comprehensive way. They account not just
for the number of runners on base and the number of outs, but also the game
score and the inning. A grand slam when a team trails by three runs with two
outs in the bottom of the ninth turns a near-certain loss into a win, giving
a player maximal credit by this system. A grand slam when a team already
leads 7-0 gets little credit, since the game is already in hand.
According to this measure, Trout was actually slightly more valuable than
Cabrera as an offensive player, considering the timing of his contributions.
Add in his defense and base running, and it isn’t all that close a call.
用WAP来看关键表现 其实Trout关键火力比Cabrera稍好 再加进防守和跑垒的话
胜负已经很明显了
It may seem hard to argue against a player who won the triple crown. But
Cabrera’s numbers, while worthy of an M.V.P. award in many seasons, weren’t
historically great. His batting average, R.B.I. and home run totals would
also have qualified for the American League’s triple crown in 2008. Before
that, however, you would have to go back to 1972 to find a year in which his
numbers were good enough to lead the league in all three categories.
虽说Cabrera是三冠王 但数据上并不是历史级的好
同样的数据在过去40年只会在2008和1972两年同样是三冠王
There is also the fact that Cabrera’s Tigers made the playoffs, while Trout’
s Angels did not. But the Angels won more games (89) than the Tigers (88),
missing the playoffs because they played in a harder division. Trout,
moreover, began the year in the minors; the Angels went 81-58 in games in
which he participated, equivalent to their winning 94 games over a full
season.
老虎进季后赛 但天使胜场数比较多
Trout打满整季的话天使胜场会是94胜
Still, the real progress in the statistical analysis of baseball is in the
ability to evaluate the contributions that a player makes on the field in a
more reliable and comprehensive way.
数据衡量球场表现的精确度变高很多
Perhaps 10 or 20 years ago, when evaluations of base running, defense and
clutch hitting were murkier, stat geeks would have argued that Cabrera
deserved the M.V.P. on the basis of the hard evidence.
若是在十几二十年前 计算跑垒防守还不精确的时代
数据派或许会依据手上的事实支持Cabrera
Now that some of the “intangibles” have become measurable, we know that
Trout did more of the little things to help his team win.
但现在 一些所谓的"灵性"已经可以被计算 我们知道Trout做了更多的基本功来帮助
球队赢球
It’s the traditionalists who are using statistics in a way that misses the
forest for the trees.
传统派才是用数据却见树不见林的一派
作者: WadeMiley ( )   2011-01-15 09:27:00
前段是米糕不转三垒可以赢的意思吗
作者: tmlc (置身于Asgard)   2011-01-15 10:01:00
印象派乡民进攻啊!
作者: hllmayday (人生海海)   2011-01-15 10:03:00
不转3B 留1B 防守贡献可能也不会多多少吧
作者: sean0000 (最爱喝化工红茶)   2011-01-15 10:05:00
见树
作者: WadeMiley ( )   2011-01-15 10:06:00
米糕1B能+3就平手 不过这种分数没什么好比 纯属前段玩笑
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 10:14:00
"同样的数据在过去40年只会在2008和1972两年同样是三冠王"
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 10:16:00
这句话有问题,因为三冠王难就难在同时都很好啊!单项超高
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 10:17:00
每年都会看到一些,就是三样都高才稀有啊!米糕今年各单项
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 10:20:00
原本就不是超越数十年拔尖数字的成绩,那段话有什么意义?
作者: pig (欢迎加入猪头党)   2011-01-15 10:20:00
如果 Trout 这季可以打324场,不知道LAA会几胜?
作者: o0991758566 (洨马力)   2011-01-15 10:33:00
Tourt已经确定拿到MVP了?哪一篇阿?
作者: NIETZCHE   2011-01-15 10:39:00
有没有一堆人中文理解能力很烂的八挂
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-15 10:59:00
推鳟鱼哥 不过MVP应该还是米糕 现在还是印象派当道
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2011-01-15 11:00:00
鳟鱼哥目前形象也比较好
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 11:13:00
普神06年的可怕成绩在过去40年能有六年制霸三冠王,但过去
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 11:16:00
十年动辄会遇到打率3成5以上或者猴儿50轰以上这恐怖的高点
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 11:18:00
以致于普神在国联时期很接近三冠但就是拿不到
作者: PTTerme (童颜巨根)   2011-01-15 11:21:00
不管如何单项称霸就是强,多项出众是超强,两人谁拿都合理
作者: JubeChocobo (啾比)   2011-01-15 11:39:00
如果三冠王WS没烙赛的话应该蛮稳的
作者: rhapsody70 (soft)   2011-01-15 11:39:00
因为禁药?
作者: CORYCHAN (CORY)   2011-01-15 11:43:00
Trout"如果"有打满整季 问题就是没打满阿..
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2011-01-15 11:46:00
MVP又不看季后赛成绩
作者: SlimeEditor (菜瓜布)   2011-01-15 12:03:00
看季后赛...鳟鱼连季后赛烙赛的机会都没有....
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2011-01-15 12:04:00
事实就是没打满 "如果"不能当饭吃XD
作者: enthusiasm (小白)   2011-01-15 12:32:00
Lahair季初鬼神状态 打下去就....
作者: a12582002 (瘋~柏)   2011-01-15 12:49:00
就没看季后赛成绩了还在讲....
作者: jagdzaku (联邦去死吉翁万岁)   2011-01-15 13:46:00
这标题讲的好像已经颁完奖了
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2011-01-15 14:19:00
出赛场数的话当年Hamilton跟Mauer也只有133跟138场
作者: prereality (大鼠买一送一)   2011-01-15 15:21:00
感觉这次MVP可以决定以后到底是数据派还是传统派取向
作者: Phater (肥特)   2011-01-15 15:24:00
Nate Silver这次总统大选估票出尽风头,讲话也大声多了
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-01-15 17:30:00
又要开始战了吗...虽然我支持鳟鱼 但感觉卡胖会得
作者: ss184 (云淡风轻)   2011-01-15 21:13:00
那妳觉得三冠王好拿吗?四十多年来只有一位 不给说不过去
作者: mightymouse (翻堕罗流大师)   2011-01-15 22:47:00
楼上才奇怪,过去多的是三冠王没拿到MVP
作者: LuisB   2011-01-16 00:18:00
为什么一直有人提三冠三冠 打棒球时好像还要防守跟跑垒耶
作者: LuisB   2011-01-16 00:19:00
更何况Trout也不是完全靠这两样 打击方面根本差距不大
作者: LuisB   2011-01-16 00:20:00
如果看三冠很稀有就投MVP 那开放球迷票选就好了
作者: onime0704 (おにめ)   2011-01-16 08:54:00
多的是三冠王没拿到MVP,要不要举几个例子出来?
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2011-01-16 09:09:00
1947 1942 Ted Williams 1934 Lou Gehrig1933 Chuck Klein 1922 Rogers Hornsby 有5次 但不算多
作者: lookers (实体店面 货到付款 宅配)   2011-01-16 10:15:00
RISP??这个数据不是被当__吗???
作者: vvvlove5566 (3V爱56)   2011-01-16 10:35:00
不是顶级成绩还得三冠王 不代表她表现不好阿
作者: vvvlove5566 (3V爱56)   2011-01-16 10:37:00
因为今年所有打者都表现没他好阿
作者: tonyselina (叫声拔拔)   2011-01-16 11:59:00
打脸 XD 有人会说是传统派胜利 lol
作者: chong527   2011-01-16 12:53:00
朝圣推
作者: Enolagay (飞来飞去)   2011-01-16 17:05:00
没有MVP如何加冕45年来首次的三冠王?
作者: yiyin330 (L*VE westwroth miller)   2011-01-16 17:09:00
发文时是确定了吗?? 今天马上打脸
作者: ss184 (云淡风轻)   2011-01-16 19:50:00
打脸了吧~~就说是米糕拿了

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