[外电] B.J. Upton Now Differently Confounding

楼主: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2012-09-12 10:51:16
B.J. Upton Now Differently Confounding
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by Jeff Sullivan - September 10, 2012
Things to know before we proceed with this article about B.J. Upton:
关于B.J Upton 有些事情在阅读下列文章前要了解:
(1) B.J. Upton is set to become a free agent after the end of this season,
and he is newly 28 years old.
(1)B.J今年球季结束后将成为FA 他今年28岁
(2) Yesterday, in the last game of a series between the Rays and the Rangers,
B.J. Upton slugged three home runs. They were his 19th, 20th, and 21st home
runs of the year.
(2) 在光芒跟条子系列赛的最后一场 B.J 单场击出三响炮(19,20,21)
I was tricking you before — this article about B.J. Upton began with the
word "Things". Now let us move on to the rest of it!
Upton is no stranger to transaction talk, and it's something of a minor
miracle that he's still with the Rays considering how often he's been in
the middle of trade rumors. Now people get to talk about him as a potential
free-agent acquisition, and as a potential free-agent acquisition, Upton is
as confusing as he's ever been. I mean, on the one hand, I guess he isn't
confusing at all. He remains an everyday center fielder who is more than
capable of handling the position. Here are Upton's wRC+ figures for the last
three seasons:
B.J转队的消息一直没有少过 但是都没有被光芒交易出去
看看近三年的wRC+
2010: 113 wRC+
2011: 115
2012: 113
[注]wRC+是根据wOBA来算出 再加上调整球场等 联盟平均是100
I bet I can guess how projection systems are going to view Upton going
forward. But remember that Upton was the second overall pick in 2002, and
remember that he's always seemed capable of more than he's done. Upton,
like his brother, is blessed with more tools than you can keep in one shed,
but he only very seldom puts them all to proper use. Additionally, below the
surface, there have been changes, and it's those changes that I'm here to
talk about.
我打赌我大概可以猜出预测系统对于B.J未来的表现 但请记得他是2002选秀探花
而且他似乎可以做出超过他目前所能做到的表现
B.J就像他的弟弟(Justin)拥有一身非常好的天份 但B.J目前却没完全展露出来
他目前有些改变 而这些改变将是我接下来谈的
I think the easiest way to lay this out is like so: five years ago, Upton
finished with 93 unintentional walks and 134 strikeouts. That's a whole lot
of patience, from a very young player. So far this season, Upton has 39
unintentional walks and 144 strikeouts. Forget about the different sample
sizes and just focus on the ratios. Clearly, B.J. Upton has changed as a
hitter. And the evidence suggests that he isn't done changing.
我觉得最简单去了解的方法是看过去
五年前 Upton球季成绩是 93BB(未含IBB) 134K 在年轻选手中 他是非常有耐心的
今年他只有39BB(未含IBB) 但是有144K
忘记那不同的样本大小 我们来看看比率
明显的Upton改变了 而且就目前观察还再持续改变
Here is a very terrible graphic I whipped up to compare B.J. Upton to Bobby
Abreu. I selected Upton because this article is about Upton. I selected Abreu
because he was the first guy who came to mind when I thought about a
consistent veteran. I put part of Abreu's name in parentheses because he
seems old enough to just go by Bob now. We look at three different
plate-discipline statistics:
下列是个满可怕的图表 是用Upton跟Abreu来相比
会用Abreu是因为他是位非常稳定的老经验打者
我们来看看三种不同的数据(本垒板纪律XD)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/uptonabreu.png
I warned you before that this was terrible. Upton's overall swing rate is on
the rise, his first-pitch swing rate is on the rise, and his contact rate is
going down. Bobby Abreu has been Bobby Abreu. The once selective Upton has
become more and more aggressive, and still it continues.
嗯 看起来相当可怕
Upton的挥棒率持续升高 挥第一球的比率也升高 然后contact持续下降
Abreu看起来还是Abreu 看起来Upton的攻击欲望持续攀高 而且好像还没有停喔
Through August 10 of this season, Upton owned a .676 OPS. The
free-agent-to-be wasn't doing anything to boost his value, and then on
August 11, Upton hit two home runs. Upton hit three home runs yesterday, on
September 10. FanGraphs leaderboards have a very handy “Last 30 Days”
option in the pull-down menu for splits, and the last 30 days capture both
August 11 and September 10. Upton has been streaking. Over the last 30 days,
Upton has posted the fourth-highest wRC+ in baseball, at 193. He's right in
between Adrian Beltre and Miguel Cabrera, and that tends to be good company
as offensive statistics are concerned. Yet at the same time, over the last 30
days, Upton has posted the very lowest contact rate in baseball, at 57
percent. The next-lowest belongs to Chris Carter, at 63 percent. Upton's
hottest stretch at the plate by one statistic coincides with his coldest
stretch at the plate by another. Not that contact rate is even close to being
as important as wRC+, but this is weird. Upton has hit the crap out of the
ball. At the same time he's posted a lower contact rate than Aroldis Chapman
has allowed.
在8/10以前 Upton只有.676的OPS 这对即将成为FA争取下份合约的他 毫无帮助
然后8/11 他单场扛出两发HR 接着9/10单场三响炮
在FanGraphs leaderboards的最近30天里(8/11-9/10) Upton成绩狂奔
近30天 他的wRC+是193 就在Adrian Beltre跟Miguel Cabrera之间
但在这30天 Upton的Contact下降到57% 在这之上的是Chris Carter的63%
contact跟wRC+的关系算是密切 但这么低的Contact却有这么高的wRC+ 满奇特的
As the Rays have scrambled back into the playoff race, Upton has done a lot
to boost his value as a free agent, but even his value boost carries a major
red flag. He's hit, and he's hit for power, but how much of that can
continue if he keeps on swinging and missing? What is the story behind all of
the swings and misses?
正当光芒在进军季后赛的路程中 Upton的火力让他的价值暴升(尤其是FA)
但他的表现事实上举了红旗
他打出了很多的HR 但他可以持续这样的表现? 尤其是在他持续降低的contact
Let's break Upton's 2012 season down, splitting after August 10. A table:
我将Upton的成绩以8/10做为分界点
Split O-Swing% Z-Swing% Swing% Contact% 1st% OPS
Through 8/10 29% 71% 50% 73% 44% 0.676
Since 8/11 35% 73% 53% 57% 52% 1.050
I can't stop staring at the recent contact rate. It is such a low contact
rate. That is three whiffs for every seven swings. But one can't ignore the
far right column, and one can't ignore that the numbers in the far right
column correspond with increased aggressiveness in the other columns. Upton's
swung at more balls, more strikes, more first pitches — more everything,
and when he's hit the ball, he's pummeled the ball. He's hit the ball some.
我无法不去注意那Contact% 几乎是挥7次就会有3次挥空!!!
但是却也无法忽视那漂亮的OPS 他挥多更积极 但是球也飞的越远
Right now, what's important isn't B.J. Upton's free agency. Upton and the
Rays are trying to get to the playoffs, and lately Upton has done a lot more
helping than hurting. Over 28 games over those last 30 days, he’s hit 11
home runs and also stolen eight bases for good measure. But what matters for
Upton's free agency is also what matters right now. And that's the question
of: how good is B.J. Upton going to be? He's a tricky one to pin down. Some
numbers suggest that right now he's locked in, and some numbers suggest the
very opposite. Some numbers suggest that Upton is beginning to really tap
into his abundant potential, and some numbers suggest that he's going to get
exposed once pitchers figure out what he's doing.
现在最重要的不是Upton是不是FA
Upton跟光芒正在为季后赛奋战 近30天的28场比赛他击出11发HR外加8次盗垒
问题是Upton到底能有多好? 各种数据指出不同的面相 有的好 有的坏
For the final month or so, the Rays will have a player who is very good, very
frustrating, or somewhere in between. It'll probably be the same story for
Upton after this last stretch is over and he finds a new home. I don't know
what Upton's numbers are going to look like between now and the end of the
year, but for a month he's seemingly been all-or-nothing to an extreme
degree. B.J. Upton's hot streak has undeniably been a hot streak, but it's
been a hot streak far different from most.
在球季的最后一个月 光芒将会有一个很强,很挣扎或是在两者其中的打者(Upton)
这种表现也会出现在球季后 或许在换个新家后
我完全无法预测Upton未来的成绩
他现在很烫 但这跟一般进入暴冲期的打者完全不同
作者: OoyaoO (你今天崩潰了嗎 囧)   2012-09-12 10:52:00
先猜75M/5Y
作者: Mooooose (养乐多'牛丼'披萨'笋干)   2012-09-12 10:53:00
要来谈论Crawford的case吗
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 10:55:00
Uptonz的reputation太差了 三四年40M上下就差不多了
作者: mrkey (距離太遠 思念太近)   2012-09-12 10:56:00
如果Tampa 的 payroll 也有 125~150M or above
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 10:56:00
我记得前几年还有人说他跟当时的Melky Cabrera同级
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 10:57:00
还是SI上的文章 不是嘴砲酸民
作者: mirrorlee (mirrorlee)   2012-09-12 10:58:00
光芒应该是不会续签才对
作者: kusami (>.^)   2012-09-12 10:59:00
感觉蛮像A.Soriano的穷人版
作者: OoyaoO (你今天崩潰了嗎 囧)   2012-09-12 10:59:00
TB夸张的是投手 整个轮值都农场出来的
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2012-09-12 11:00:00
.....一堆不对框HR的意思
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2012-09-12 11:01:00
光芒出品 还有谁敢赌吗?
作者: SULICon (監工小學徒(〞︶〝*))   2012-09-12 11:02:00
原来他才28阿~
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 11:12:00
光芒留不下他
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 11:13:00
因为光芒没钱 而且还有建宁在等中外野的位子
作者: ss184 (云淡风轻)   2012-09-12 11:29:00
正常价一年10M左右 不过有些GM是会花克劳佛或沃斯等级的约给他吧~ 10M我都觉得贵了="=
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 11:31:00
他成绩跟夸佛或Werth又不能比 reputation也差不会有人给他肥约的
作者: huso (胡说大爷)   2012-09-12 11:38:00
今年外野FA有什么好货吗?
作者: newest (C'est la vie~)   2012-09-12 11:39:00
如果今年是TB 金鸟 NYY 3抢2个季后赛席次就好玩了
作者: tunababy (相信妳自己,真的....)   2012-09-12 11:39:00
10-12M/year可能就很不错了....
作者: ethanptt (before the midnight)   2012-09-12 11:40:00
光芒休息区唯一要留下来的只有西瓜
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-09-12 11:42:00
Michael Bourn, Cody Ross, B.J. Upton, Shane Victorino
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 11:42:00
推楼上~还有Longoria+Zoby
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-09-12 11:42:00
10M感觉很少 这年头随便一个叫得出名字的大概都10M了...XD
作者: Fukudome (殘劍狂千秋)   2012-09-12 11:42:00
他今年在低点...我是很想叫我家GM Amaro签下来
作者: mess0706 (我不是刘正 我是刘正伦)   2012-09-12 11:44:00
每次看他打击都觉得很奇怪, 怎么可以挥空率这么高
作者: mess0706 (我不是刘正 我是刘正伦)   2012-09-12 11:45:00
每次跟Pena排在一起的时候 对手应该都很凉 XD但是他的身材实在不像是这么瞎的砲哥阿~..
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 11:48:00
前半季对BJ的打击不期不待...Pena我至少还能等BB或HR
作者: bostonred (keep the faith)   2012-09-12 12:02:00
08季后赛把红袜打爆 ><
作者: ocean11 (深海)   2012-09-12 12:02:00
光芒这个也不留,那个也不留,难怪球迷培养不起来
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-09-12 12:04:00
老板:不进场看球 那我哪来的钱留住球星 ( ̄□ ̄|||)a...
作者: sarspieya521 (HANA)   2012-09-12 12:09:00
宁愿光芒把钱留下来往后处理龙哥的约
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 12:11:00
每个城市市场大小本来就不一样
作者: abc12812   2012-09-12 12:12:00
球迷又不是像玩三国志一样 一直征兵就会长出来
作者: ohb (好胜的命运是失落)   2012-09-12 12:12:00
龙哥的约从14年开始连三年的Team option 而且他这两年好痛..
作者: maikxz (超级痛痛人)   2012-09-12 12:13:00
事实上光芒战机开始成长后 上座人数是一直在成长的...放走 CC 后 马上跌回去魔鬼鱼时期...
作者: cardfat ( )   2012-09-12 12:17:00
他明年才28不要5年约应该很多队会买单
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2012-09-12 12:18:00
就没钱...
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 12:19:00
光芒是票房探底, 没什么多余的钱留人好吗==
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 12:20:00
而且就重要性而言留龙哥绝对是当务之急
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 12:21:00
就算再痛我觉得打线还是不能没有他...
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2012-09-12 12:24:00
不管谁签走 变烂约的可能性很高...
楼主: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2012-09-12 12:25:00
球场才是毒瘤 老板有想花钱 但他想搬离圣彼得市
作者: ccf0423 (挥挥衣袖,两袖清风)   2012-09-12 12:26:00
他的起伏很大...
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2012-09-12 12:27:00
Upton很谜啊 当年的选球耐心完全消失
作者: ohmyya (三翻西施狗)   2012-09-12 12:44:00
想当年以为他上mlb能守SS
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 12:52:00
光芒母球团其实不穷 只是因为球场偏僻加上球迷不愿进场....
作者: ocean11 (深海)   2012-09-12 12:58:00
照他这样经营法,当然没有球迷呀
作者: sky419012 (fly)   2012-09-12 13:10:00
longoria目前是光芒的脸吧? 打线没他差蛮多的...
作者: sky419012 (fly)   2012-09-12 13:11:00
其实没有理由要放他走 球迷也很爱他
作者: delay815 (delay到爆)   2012-09-12 13:21:00
Upton轰出去的感觉很顺很舒服~~跟挥空一样舒服
作者: holydon (0.0)   2012-09-12 13:25:00
光芒这玩法真的蛮猛的
作者: PlayStation3 (超级喜欢于小文)   2012-09-12 13:59:00
感觉就是谁签谁倒楣,囧
作者: ca1123 (It ain't over)   2012-09-12 14:04:00
TB这城市依稀记得是60万的人口,大部分都是养老的人
作者: ca1123 (It ain't over)   2012-09-12 14:05:00
打错,是圣彼得市,一场能有两万人进场真的算很厉害了
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2012-09-12 14:09:00
这比例很高了...你看那个...算了说了难过
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 14:26:00
佛州棒球似乎不算是主流的大众运动
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 14:27:00
所以进场人数都不太多
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:27:00
球场也不是说搬就搬, 主要还是马大鱼抢先进驻迈阿密,
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:28:00
结果今年还是摆烂...
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:29:00
佛罗里达主要还是疯美足啦, 听前辈说10支大学顶尖队伍有
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:30:00
四支在此... 但圣彼得堡远离尘嚣才是票房差的主因...
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:31:00
留不住大牌有影响但不是主因, CC穿红袜后票房有跌但也不
作者: jackys313 (BenZoby)   2012-09-12 14:32:00
多, 因为原本就没有多少... 希望TB赶快搬离那个鬼地方==刚刚前面笔误是圣彼得市
作者: porten812 (节能.减碳.发优文)   2012-09-12 17:08:00
有腿有手套的威力魔
作者: ImpactBlue (ImpactBlue)   2012-09-12 17:12:00
9M to 12M的约 勉强可以签得到
作者: Edwardex ( )   2012-09-12 19:13:00
15M跑不掉...他绝对是今年FA最好的CF
作者: Edwardex ( )   2012-09-12 19:14:00
Michael Bourn比他老一岁 生涯平均OPS又比他低
作者: Edwardex ( )   2012-09-12 19:15:00
推一楼的75M/5Y
作者: bigmowang (Dan Uggla)   2012-09-12 19:22:00
15M也太多了吧@@
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 20:01:00
BJ 一直都没有醒过来 要是醒了价值绝对超过15M
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2012-09-12 20:02:00
而且他守备有时候会心不在焉 不然的话他算是向后跑很快的
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2012-09-12 22:26:00
15M太多+1 OPS+105 WAR平均2.5 12M差不多吧 15M签下去难保
作者: noahlin (该怎么说呢)   2012-09-12 22:27:00
Crawford的状况重演
作者: subtropical (风大雨大)   2012-09-13 02:38:00
这篇是光芒出的报告吧,批评让他下跌,再趁乱签下
作者: Sparksfly (火光飞舞)   2012-09-13 09:30:00
他今天又轰了...

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