[外电]R.A. Dickey's Three Movingest Knucklers

楼主: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2012-06-19 16:32:38
R.A. Dickey's Three Movingest Knucklers from Monday
by Carson Cistulli - June 18, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/8a5ofoo
Mets right-hander and soft-spoken Southern gentleman R.A. Dickey threw his
second consecutive one-hitter tonight — in this case, against the Orioles of
Baltimore. Nor do his defense-independent numbers suggest that he was
anything but excellent on Monday night (box): 9.0 IP, 30 TBF, 13 K, 2 BB, 11
GB on 15 batted-balls (73.3% GB), 1.14 xFIP.
R.A. Dickey在今天对上金莺又投出一场一安打比赛(连续两场)
9局 面对30位打者 13K 2BB 15个打到球的有11个是滚地球 xFIP是1.14 !!!
The average knuckleball from Dickey has approximately zero inches of
horizontal movement and a single inch of positive vertical movement —
or "rise," a concept the present author discussed briefly earlier on Monday.
Of course, the idea of an "average" knuckleball is a bit of a misnomer: given
the nature of the pitch, the standard deviation of both sorts of movement is
likely quite high. Indeed, this is the strength of the pitch: no one really
knows where it's going, not even Dickey.
Dickey的蝴蝶球几乎不会横移 但是会垂直落下或上升1吋
当然去讲蝴蝶球"平均"位移有点奇怪 事实上就连Dickey都不知道球会怎么跑
As a sort of celebration of Dickey's last two games — of his entire season,
really — I sought out Dickey's three "movingest" knuckleballs from his
Monday start. In this case, I've identified the three of Dickey's knuckleballs
with the highest absolute value of total movement (i.e. the sum of the absolute
values of both horizontal and vertical movement, in inches).
在这两场 我看到了三种位移最大的蝴蝶球(纪录下其位移)
It's hard to say if what follows are necessarily Dickey's three best
knuckleballs from Monday. However, each of them really does move quite a bit:
indeed, the reader will note that catcher Josh Thole is unable to catch two
of the three pitches and has to sort of violently move his glove to catch the
other.
很难说下面提到的就是Dicley投出的最棒的蝴蝶球 但这三球的确位移很多
事实上Josh Thole为了接变化很大的蝴蝶球已经快速移动手套 却只接到一球
Below are those three knuckleballs. Click on individual GIFs for Maximum
Pleasure™. (Data from Brooks Baseball.)
No. 3: Wilson Betemit, Third Inning
Movement: 5.2 in. armside, 7.5 in. rise (12.7 in.)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAD3.gif
上升7.5英吋(19.05公分)
No. 2: Brian Roberts, Third Inning
Movement: 4.2 in. gloveside, 9.9 in. drop (14.1 in)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAD2.gif
掉9.9英吋(25.14公分)
No. 1: Chris Davis, Seventh Inning
Movement: 6.9 in. gloveside, 8.8 in. drop (15.8 in)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAD1a.gif
掉8.8英吋(22.35公分)
Bonus
Here's a bonus: Dickey's reaction to that last pitch — a reaction that suggests
even he was surprised (and/or impressed) by the amount of movement on same.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAD1.gif
最后一球就连Dickey都对球的变化感到惊讶
译按: R.A. Dickey is the MAN
球太会跑了 怎么接拉(/‵Д′)/~ ╧╧
http://tinyurl.com/88tgjzc BrooksBaseball PitchFX
作者: waijr (时差13HR)   2012-06-19 16:36:00
美国主播说接这种球的捕手要先训练挡球 不是接球
作者: itaiitai (心脏比头大)   2012-06-19 16:38:00
XD
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 16:38:00
统计平均位移对蝴蝶球毫无意义啊XD
作者: a910148 (梨)   2012-06-19 16:39:00
不是都用一垒手手套接XD
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 16:40:00
那个平均无水平位移 上飘一英吋的看他举的三球
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 16:41:00
就知道是有的上飘有的下坠 有的往内有的往外互相抵消
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 16:42:00
如果真的是每球都是无水平位移 向上一英吋Dickey 大概一轮都投不完吧…
作者: borriss (松)   2012-06-19 16:43:00
风吹的啦(误
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   2012-06-19 16:53:00
这边的上飘是何种定义的上飘? 视觉上还是物理上?
楼主: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee)   2012-06-19 16:57:00
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 17:03:00
不少打者都说他的蝴蝶球跟Wakefield最大差别就是他的比较快刚看集锦 似乎自67~81 mph 的都有
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 17:04:00
蝴蝶球投的比Jamie Moyer 的快速球还快....
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 17:14:00
昨天的陈伟殷 http://tinyurl.com/84tkgyx这个对照可以看出一般投手和蝴蝶球投手的差别
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2012-06-19 17:16:00
在位移图上陈的球很显然就分为三块 而Dickey 的球完全散开
作者: o0991758566 (洨马力)   2012-06-19 17:17:00
第二球真的很夸张...蝴蝶球超会飘移的
作者: abc0922002 (ABC一值都是很nice的)   2012-06-19 17:18:00
= =有办法让球上飘吗
作者: ajburnett (The go-to guy)   2012-06-19 17:20:00
没有人在讨论球种时会以物理上的上飘作为前提的
作者: ck950643 (YiChang)   2012-06-19 17:21:00
好奇这样要怎么练啊?! 是瞄准红中投 然后随他飘吗?!
作者: god2 (乙炔)   2012-06-19 17:22:00
上飘是指比理想抛物线的垂直高度还高啦~这不是很基本吗@@
作者: JubeChocobo (啾比)   2012-06-19 17:34:00
要上飘还不简单 下勾投手投high fast ball就是上飘啦
作者: yamatai (回避性人格障碍症)   2012-06-19 17:34:00
楼上那个还是理想抛物线
作者: yamatai (回避性人格障碍症)   2012-06-19 17:35:00
只是出手点跟方向不一样而已。上飘是旋转产生浮力抵抗下坠
作者: tigernaxo   2012-06-19 17:41:00
超夸张...手套都接不太到了 用球棒是要怎打
作者: waderu (滑的鲁夫?)   2012-06-19 18:25:00
主审也很累, 本来要举S最后一秒变B
作者: kevev (\( ̄口 ̄)/Park!)   2012-06-19 18:38:00
好坏球是看进本垒点 不是看捕手接球点
作者: eric760302 (剑影墨客)   2012-06-19 19:20:00
请问蝴蝶球伤手吗??
作者: LazyCool (畜牲小王爷)   2012-06-19 19:40:00
大致上蝴蝶球不太伤手 而且因为不太出力 很耐投重点是要投的好的很少 能控球的更少
作者: LazyCool (畜牲小王爷)   2012-06-19 19:41:00
投出去后球要从哪进垒 要落在哪通通看老天爷决定 XD
作者: lynked (左手不只是辅助而已)   2012-06-19 20:40:00
说是上飘的那球画面上很明显还是一般的抛物轨迹,并没有出
作者: lynked (左手不只是辅助而已)   2012-06-19 20:41:00
现物理上的奇蹟
作者: bztfir (恩恩呵呵)   2012-06-19 22:28:00
想必楼上没有站在打击区打过"上飘球"XD
作者: bryon (松、竹、梅)   2012-06-19 22:40:00
改用巧打的方式不知会不会比较容易击出球
作者: newest (C'est la vie~)   2012-06-19 23:10:00
C.Y. Dickey
作者: HXZ   2012-06-20 11:14:00
站在打击区的就是视觉上的 本来就不会有真的上飘这种东西
作者: HXZ   2012-06-20 11:15:00
另外我看了几球 其实还是有很夸张的横移 难道是判成别的球种?

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